Why are conservatives such hypocrites?
>no abortion muh babies iz bein murdered waaah
>oh shit you didn't abort and had the baby? What a poor subhuman you are we are going to not help you so the child can suffer tremendously sick and poor hahahahaha!
the far-right is just as retarded and stupid as the far-left
Seems pretty simple. Don't have a baby you can't afford to raise.
conservatives who say abortion is murder
>Nonwhites are OK by me, I just want everybody to accept christian values. Also, we need to bomb some of them arabs, I don't wanna pay too much dollar for my car fuel.
conservatives who say why should my tax dollars keep your baby alive
>If you can't afford the child, use a fucking condom or abort the child. This goes double for you, niggers and other non-whites!
We have to bribe mothers to not kill their kids now? Guess America is done then.
I'm a right-winger and have no problem with single payer healthcare... in a white-only nation-state.
>being against the murdering of babies is the same as not wanting to pay for other people's healthcare
But the GOP don't want to let people not have that baby.
This. So simple.
Joe Walsh is a fag that couldn't take care of his kid nobody should listen to the guy no matter the politics.
Liberals: Killing my baby is okay!
Also Liberals: Why isn't everyone paying me to kill my baby?
Women have birth control they could use.
Women could have anal sex instead.
Women could swallow or have the man ejaculate on them.
Women could make the man use a condom.
Women could get sterilized and not have to worry anymore.
If you're a single woman who gets pregnant after a one night stand, the child shouldn't have its life cut short because of your selfishness, but neither should society be forced to shoulder your burden. Go get married and be a respectable mother like your grandparents were before you started burning bras and demanding "liberation"
Conservashits throw a fit over abortion and call it murder, and whine that women don't have enough kids. Then those same idiots throw a fit whenever Ivanka says a word about maternity leave, or free healthcare.
If you refuse to make the tiniest sacrifice to help someone do something, then you have no goddamn right to demand that they do it. You don't get to tell women what they can or can't do with their bodies.
What does that mean ? Babies are created as the result of a choice. Unless you mean rape ?
Conservatives have a hard time caring for people who have nothing in common with them. If you are a shitskin LBGTQTQA++3x, you are not my fellow man.
The reason why Europe has better healhcare is because majority of them are still White but that will change soon as well.
what we really need to do is make fornication punishable by death
i'm conservative and i don't think abortion is murder
OH. SO WE'RE GENERALIZING NOW. Okay.
Is this the strawman thread?
It's the difference between helping someone who had a roadside accident and paying for his healthcare afterwards.
You are obligated to do the first, you are only obligated to do the latter in China.
>if you don't want me to murder this baby, you need to pay me money for the rest of my life
For added shit
Shit makes my blood boil people like walsh is in our government and they can't take care of their own family but expect us to believe they are responsible enough to serve the public.
>Try to abort baby because you are poor and cant afford it
>conservatives make abortion illegal
What do I do now?
>Women have birth control they could use.
>Women could have anal sex instead.
>Women could swallow or have the man ejaculate on them.
>Women could make the man use a condom.
>Women could get sterilized and not have to worry anymore.
There are literally hundreds of ways of busting a nut without squirting your seed in her whom so why make that choice ? And why should the baby or I be accountable for it ?
They are consistent in their belief regarding personal responsibility, you tard.
We don't get to have a say with who you sleep with, or whether you are protected. Therefore, we shouldn't have to deal with any of the consequences of said choice.
yeah, but clearly they don't care. they need to be made to care.
Don't get pregnant you absolute retard
Joe Walsh is a fucking cuck who is married to a Jewess. Into the ovens he goes.
You don't want to help mothers who are poor with kids.
You don't want mothers to prevent themselves from being poor with kids.
You are a fucking hypocirte.
Except almost no one can afford to have a baby and be financially prepared to deal with any crazy diseases it might have.
But no goy, be good and don't have any white children, leave irresponsible babymaking to Tyrone and Ahmed.
>>Try to abort baby because you are poor and cant afford it
Yeah, that's totally why they're aborting babies, not because it would get in the way of their hedonism. I'm fine with it, because it's literally all negresses and leftists doing it, but don't pretend they're noble poor people making responsible decisions and not just callous whores committing murders of convenience.
>what is adoption
>Then those same idiots throw a fit whenever Ivanka says a word about maternity leave, or free healthcare.
THIS.
They don't want materinty leave, they don't want single payer healthcare, yet they sperg the fuck out when white women have low birth rates.
>they don't want single payer healthcare
I do... but only in an all-white nation-state.
You give the kid up for adoption. You fucked up big time. You shouldn't have impregnated a woman when you couldn't afford to take care of a child.
That's the fucking thing that needs to get through to people is the gravity of the matter.
If I drink I don't drive because I understand the consequences. If I fuck I use a condom because I understand the consequences. They are both life and death decisions.
You can buy name brand condoms like Trojan and Durex for a quarter per condom. You can get on birth control for literally 9 dollars per month, and fuck all you want.
When I first had sex with the woman who became my wife (wasn't until I proposed), she was on the pill, I used a condom with spermicidal lube, AND she inserted spermicide before the act, and we did that until after marriage. Now we are just down to the IUD.
Free abortion for niggers and shit-skins.
What if the poorfags can get the abortion, but also have to be sterilized? Wouldn't that be better for everybody?
>I used a condom with spermicidal lube, AND she inserted spermicide
Fucking disgusting. Celibacy is sexier than that shit.
You know how many abortions happen per year? There would be too many kids to adopt, there would be an enormous surplus of kids who will starve in the street as orphans because conservatives are also against helping the poor.
Also funny enough 0% of these conservatives against abortion will adopt a single white child. You are virtue signalling cucks who want to ban abortion to make ourselves feel good, you are liberal tier.
Why do seppos sperg out like poos when someone tells them their healthcare system is shit?
No. The price for an abortion is both parties becoming sterilized.
Good thing I didn't ask for your opinion regarding our choice. We didn't have kids we couldn't afford, and aren't begging the government to take money from you to pay for our mistakes or to allow us to terminate a human life, so what do you care?
See here's the additional problem is that our entire lax, hippy fucking culture where people think they can get pregnant and have me pay for it is based on us being nice ?
Is that "really nice " Creating a society of irresponsible fucking mooches ?
It's a chicken egg argument but the fact is, when society deteriorates to the point where people feel entitled to having others pay for their shit it's because the fear of hardship was never there.
Wow you summarized Sup Forums good job
Jimmy Kimmel makes $10 million a year, as a MINIMUM. He can pay for his child's medical needs like it's nothing, but he's begging and pleading for healthcare meant for people who don't even make 1/8th of that salary. He only has himself to blame if his son dies
Why are liberals so irresponsible? They kill babies when they can't practice basic safe sex and demand the state take care of their kids.
But muh condoms cost money and cant feel anyrhing during sex if i put it on.
Then get on the pill, get an injection, or use an IUD, and pay for all the STD's you get on your own.
No one requires having sex so there is never a situation where you get pregnant completely on accident.
The people against abortion also typically believe you should work hard to provide for your own children rather than expecting someone else to do it for you.
You can disagree with their logic, but they're at least consistent.
Oh god a leaf
do whatever the fuck you want, but dont cause me problems. got pregnant? have an abortion. or dont. but i will not pay for your stupid mistakes that you will continuously make because you have absolutely zero connection between your rational logic and your reproductive organs. or like , if i am forced into paying for your hedonistic, poor life decisions, both parties involved in the abortion should be sterilized.
Blowjobs, handjobs, tittie fucked assfucked, etc. If you cant afford condoms, what can I say ? Some people cant afford fucking food or rent, so don't expect sympathy.
"Oh the poor man, he can't even have vaginal sex with his girlfriend and has to jizz in her mouth. Francis let's take up a collection at the church.
If there is someone who knows little about not popping out a lot of kids because muh condoms are bad it wouldnt liberals.
>republicans force me to have sex without protection
It costs taxpayer dollars to abort you fucking leaf.
Abortion is murder not that I particularly care about the topic. But if you're going to be fucking, take some responsibility. People have been managing for thousands of years. I manage and i left home at 18 without college. This weak millennial generation is pathetic. I fucking hate half of my generation, they're just as bad as the shitty boomers who won't accept reality.
It's not up to me to pay to kill your baby and it's not up to me to support it either. If you can't manage then give up and die in a ditch for your shitty life choices.
What is personal responsibility?
>muh taxes
Do you fucking autists understand that paying $300 for a woman to abort the kid is infinitely cheaper than them keeping it?
One year of public school costs $8000 per student. You could have aborted 27 kids for the price of a SINGLE year of public school.
>It costs taxpayer dollars to abort you fucking leaf.
Oh NOOO $300 wow it's much cheaper to pay $100,000 for it's k-12 education!!
I swear you fucks lack even a shred of critical thinking skills...
Fucking this. Underrated post.
Who said that I was in favor of public education? Pay for what you use, and stop expecting others to subsidize your lifestyle.
>implying all protection is 100%
>implying abstinence works
>implying rapes don't occur
You guys are fucking retarded and should just kill yourselves.
So if $300 is so cheap, get a fucking job and earn it you degenerate filth. It's literally less than a weeks pay for anyone.
>has sex for fun and not procreation
maybe stop being degenerate?
And thats if there were only 1 parent worried about it.
Have fun with your abysmal birth rates while savages are replacing you.
Nice straw-man retard.
So long as you choose to roll the dice, you should accept the responsibility of all possible outcomes.
The argument that you are making is that people who have absolutely no say in the matter are expected to take responsibility, to which I say, "Fuck yourself."
>aussies get triggered by burgers
you used to be shitpost kings, now look at you.
PATHETIC
A leaf, it's always a fucking leaf. How about stop fucking? Or use a condom? Or fuck it just pull out it's almost as effective. YOU fucked and fucked up, don't take it out on a baby or force ME to pay for your fuck up. I don't know what is so hard to understand for people like you or that not wanting deliberate murder is not the same as not wanting to be forced to pay out of your own pocket for the irresponsibility of other people.
I could make the same case for people with lung cancer or cirrhosis way past the point of no return after a lifetime of smoking and drinking, we'd been telling that person to stop it all the time and you'd be next to their deathbed calling us heartless for not wanting to pay for their treatment. Fuck you, those things don't happen by accident, you have to deliberately engage in a very specific act with a low rate of success to result in a pregnancy, it doesn't just fucking happen. Same kind of scum that gets drunk, kills somebody and gets away with it because it wasn't their fault they were drunk, they just magically ingested 10 beers. You goddamn commies can never accept fault, just blame it on reasonable people that have nothing to do with your mistakes.
State funded abortion and birth control are necessary evils. A small investment now will prevent a huge investment for the next [life expectancy of a negro] years.
Who the fuck wants to raise another man's child? You're calling other people cucks while promoting the ultimate cucking
>anybody that disagrees is an autist bitching about taxes
that isn't the fucking point, you leaf. it's a symptom of niggerish behavior. if you kept your dick in your pants or your legs closed, it wouldn't happen in the first place. solve the problem, the symptom goes away.
>a female carrying the seed of other males is unfit for purpose and should be sterilized anyway
I didn't make an argument you dumb fuck. This is why we need socialised healthcare so we can abort retards like you and live in a perfect natsoc empire.
I can't believe this degeneracy is allowed.
>triggered this hard
Came down m9. Next time don't be dumb.
lmao you are just so cute
I would support if 90% of blacks used it. Currently only 70%. Fingers crossed!
If I decide to have a few drinks and hit a city garbage can. I am in a fair amount of trouble but can probably pull out of it.
If instead I hit a car and kill 5 people and paralyze another. My life is over even if by traffic laws I am in the right.
Now my intentions Mens rea were no different in either case. I wasn't trying to hurt anyone, I'm not evil. The actual accident. Ah, but fate stepped in, I am the fucking retard put my self in a position where this was possible and now I have to pay the consequences.
I should have considered this before I got into the car.
why should i pay for your maternity leave
Women shouldn't be having children out of wedlock and men shouldn't be fucking women without the expectation that if she gets pregnant he needs to raise his child. Get the father to pay for shit, abortion should be accesible but fuck it if my tax dollars go to pay for anyone's 5 minute mistake baby. Sex has consequences, the left perceived to be harmless as a handshake. We need to bring shotgun weddings back or invest in forced sterilization for humans who are incapable of controlling their primal urges.
>let big business run everything healthcare related
>a kiss on a boo boo now costs $10k and rising
>it's your fault you can't pay for someone to kiss your boo boo
GOP logic everybody
the difference between murder and charity is very hard to understand it seems
If you are in the right, your life isn't over. Because if you are in the right, then they are in the wrong.
Care to try again?
>but neither should society be forced to shoulder your burden
you don't think there's gonna be some burden coming from letting the poor fend for themself? a little bit of try to steal a car, try to run, don't get far going?
It may vary from state to state but here, If I am intoxicated and hit from the rear, It should be their fault, however If I blow over, it is my fault by default for operating the vehicle illegally.
It could be different where you are but most places are like this.
>believes children are sacred and should be protected
>believes in the ultimate moral responsibility and that you are the only one responsible for your fate, and you shouldn't be expected to rely on other people
>force children incapable of fending for themselves to rely on a person, regardless of whether or not that person is capable of caring for them on an emotional or financial level, all because "personal responsibility" even though these kids would be victims to their parents and are unable to exercise any personal responsibility because even if they wanted to leave and fend for themselves child labor is also illegal
If conservatives were for giving healthcare to kids and cutting them off at 18 I'd be more sympathetic
poverty doesn't breed crime - crime breeds poverty.
also, there is no moral discussion about "enforced welfare for the poor" because it is theft.
Don't you think there's gonna be some burden coming from stealing in order to subsidize lazy, dumb and criminal people? :)
>big business
nice buzzwords. you do realize the more power you give the state the more power "big business" can buy?
You mean like what is happening to you?
Creating a responsible populace is half the battle. The other is living standards and affordability of having children
>poverty doesn't breed crime - crime breeds poverty.
proof? very interesting if true, but quite hard to believe.
>it is theft
everything about everything that makes up our common society on this planet is fucked up one way or another
>Don't you think there's gonna be some burden coming from stealing
yes, but less burden than a single mother turning to crack and a baby raised by abusive grandparents. A lot less in fact.
The issue with healthcare is way beyond simply not being willing to pay for other people's healthcare.
The real problem is that health care is a commodity, not a right, there's only so much that can be produced, and no matter who pays for what, there will have to be some method of rationing. Now obviously we want to minimize the rationing that occurs, but Obama Care in effect just makes the rationing more uniform.
For the average person this is a bad thing.
The health care system IS in need of reform, but it really needs to address things like frivolous lawsuits, which force doctors to order unnecessary tests and host of other problems as well.
The high cost of health is rooted in reality, it's not something the government can just wave away, at least not without a tradeoff, and that's the main issue with Obama Care.
>proof? very interesting if true, but quite hard to believe.
Two words: Robert Mugabe
>>implying abstinence works
Nah man. I was abstinent all this time, but it just didn't work. I just got pregnant out of nowhere. kek
that's that good logic right there. not like they can buy and sell influence from eachother. it's actually possible for politicians to believe in something, they can do something monetarily less effective for the sake of some other good. it's less possible for de free capitalists
>take responsibility
vs
>take responsibility
This is retarded. Niggers and spics aren't aborting in large enough numbers to significantly call abortion a way to cull their numbers, and instead tax dollars are going to women who think condoms suck and don't want to deal with consequences for having sex.
You are not in the right if you are driving while intoxicated. You broke the law by default. There's a difference between "a few drinks," and "blowing over the limit."
Funny story, this exact thing happened to my sister a few years back. Drunk driver driving a city truck pulled out onto a highway without warning, blinkers, or anything, and due to oncoming traffic, my sister couldn't get out of the lane (2 lane road) and couldn't stop in time (65mph).
Who was in the wrong there?
>responsibility
A word not spoken by the left.
They equate it to the likes of saying Voldemort
I need another word
either way I think they breed eachother, one doesnt exclude the other just because it makes a good soundbite
Frivolous lawsuits don't seem to happen all that often. Instead you get incidents on the level of the McDonald's hot coffee incident which led to horrific burns which get spun by lobbyists as frivolous.
>proof? very interesting if true, but quite hard to believe.
He's wrong on this. Poverty breeds crime. There will always be crime present, but you are more likely to engage in crime if you are impoverished.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that if you can't afford food legally, you will either steal that food or gain money illegally to buy it - instead of doing the capitalistically moral thing of starving to death
They happen more often than you think, but the jackass that decided to stick a fork in a toaster usually gets laughed out of the courtroom, if it even gets that far.
>I need another word
Africa
Rich continent, previously prosperous and developing. Only to be shat upon by local warlords