If it turns out that hitler really did kill 6 million jews how would your perception of jew change?

If it turns out that hitler really did kill 6 million jews how would your perception of jew change?


would you still hate them?

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sure

I don't understand why you think it would actually change anything

does empathy really seem like a driving force behind Sup Forums to you?

It wouldn't change

It would change our current situation how exactly?

They had it coming.

Now moreso than ever.

I would be more grateful to him than ever.

Sadly it never happened.

If it didn't happen, it should have happened.

If it did happen, he didn't kill enough.

...

If one Jew would provide scientific proof/evidence then my attitude toward them would change. Not going to happen and the lying fuckers know it.

GAS GAS GAS
I'M GONNA STEP ON THE GAS
TONIGHT I'LL RISE
AND BE YOUR FUHRER

I'm gonna be brave and come forward here.

I'm a total normalfag. And I'm actually wondering how many people on Sup Forums actually believe that there was no holocaust and/or the jews are the big enemy behind everything.

I'm pretty used to all the Sup Forums bullshit, but I have a friend who takes some Sup Forums shit pretty seriously.

Is this right? Do people on Sup Forums actually believe these things? Or is a big part of it just fucking around and being politically incorrect for the sake of it?

>Do people on Sup Forums actually believe these things?
It's more like what we don't believe in.

Let's talk about an issue we just can't forget. Jews crucified Christ. What does it mean to them ?

I'm already past that.

The Jews don't all sit together in a room and decide how to best destroy whit people. But the culture they've developed from having no homeland is inherently anti-culture, because if they allowed their host countries to express their nation's/tribe's interests they wouldn't have survived.

Yes, keep browsing here long enough and you'll break

I've been here for years and it took me until last year to swallow the hitler/holocaust/ww2 pills

its a hard pill to swallow because you've been conditioned your whole life not to swallow it

>Wish the event actually took place.

Could you explain in more detail?

You're just that sarcastic about society? The friend I mentioned I pretty much like that. Lot's of things going wrong in life, despite being very smart and able. Also a bit challenged when it comes down to understanding other people.

Pretty much a standard Sup Forumsack I reckon

>If it turns out
If that really happened it will shatter the very core of mathematics and calculations.

I wouldn't care.

If you think I dislike their behavior because of Hitler, you're missing the entire point.

Yes I would still hate them.

Feeling about jews? no change.
Feelings about Hitler? exponentially increased.

So basically the Jewish culture and identity in inherently evil, according to your beliefs.

What did you learn/accept by it?

If theoretically 6 million kikes did die back then, the world today is better than it would otherwise have been.

Kikes will act destructively no matter how many are alive.

Why do people think the Hall of Cost was just Jews?

I never doubted the holocaust, still know about their unique positioning in western history and their sometimes malevolent influence. They're not angels and perpetual victims, that's what the pandering normies have to understand.

It's irrelevant.
You can only go by the evidence of what the Jews are doing today.
Based on that, yes they should be hated.

That's where you're wrong. They DO sit down in a room and see how to best fuck with white people.

Evil is subjective. It's just necessary for the Jews to be the enemies of everyone else, it's not evil from the perspective of a Jew. Zionism would solve this problem, since it would give the Jews a national identity.

I don't suppose a lot of people think that, though the more uneducated/uninterested ones probably would because the Jews were the main focal group of victims in the afterimage of the Holocaust

>If it turns out that hitler really did kill 6 million jews how would your perception of jew change?
It won't happen because it is impossible. The numbers are in, and there is so much info that is lacking. The basic jyst of the holocaust is that a majority if the "facts" are make believe.

Do you see Japanese crying over "muh nuked cities"? Do you see South America and mexico crying over "muh spanish conquerors?

Jews will use anything to further themselves amd Jew the goyim.

>this retard believes Sup Forums info graphics

You realize the first thing god told the jews when they first arrived in the promised land was to kill all living members and livestock of the first tribe they met then had them go killing everything around them?
They are his chosen people, above all others. This is a basic component of their religion.

Ah okay, that sounds pretty reasonable. If you fight the (Jewish) ideas you are opposed to without generalizing this to every individual Jew, you are in a morally right position, even though people (like me) might not agree with you

Never heard a single person ever mention the fags and gypsies.

Go to the holocaust museum, it's all jewshoes and feels.

Good post leaf.

It's not about denying that Jews were treated a certain way during WWII, it's about denying the current understanding of totals and how it was presented.

I mean, for decades things were presented as fact like:
Prisoners masturbated to death
Prisoners fed to bears
Prisoners put onto railcars that crashed directly into giant furnaces
Prisoners sent into rooms where the floors were knives
Prisoners turned into human lampshades
Prisoners turned into soap.

Every single one of those is now known to be false. Openly, and by everyone.

From there you start seeing other shit too. Numbers not adding up. The Holocaust has always killed 6 million jews, even when virtually every 'death camp' has had its numbers revised down, yet the total stands the same. Auswitchz supposedly killed 4 million. Then 1.5 million. Then 1.1 million. Now it's at like 900,000 deaths period, not murders, but deaths, including those from typhus.

Also originally there were dozens of "death camps" all over Europe. Now the total is like 6 and they are all in Poland and they mostly liberated by Soviets.

The Soviets accounting of the holocaust has been proven to be greatly exaggerated all over the place.

So I do think the Holocaust has been presented incorrectly. I do think Jews were interned. I do think lots died.

I don't think there is a secret cabal of anyone ruling over the entire world.

Didn't they also kill Jesus? Who was the son of God and or God in flesh? They deserved what happened to them.

of course the holocaust is real, that's why it's illegal to question it in most european countries and will get you several years in jail

to find out who rules over you, discover who you aren't allowed to criticise-voltaire

>would you still hate them?- 38 posts and 7 image replies shown.
I don't hate Jews. I only hate weak American politicians who cater to Israel

Are you serious about this?

I mean, there's places to visit, images, videos made.

If humanity was capable of falsifying SUCH an amount of evidence, you might just as well start doubting whether everything you've never actually seen is inherently fake.

No 6 million Jews killed Hitler

Oh but that's in a lot of religions, right?

Islam and Christianity aren't exactly 100% nice.

Nor is any real political line of thinking or stream. Except maybe hippies, but they are faggots.

Exactly.

Sup Forums's hate on da joos is because they always trace it back to someone where they can put (((brackets))) around. Also they don't necessarily say that the holocaust didn't happen, they just argue that the numbers have been inflated and have been used for the wrong reason.

Make up your own mind about this though.

>If humanity was capable of falsifying SUCH an amount of evidence,

You should see what's possible these days.

equality is the god of the sjw
hitler is the devil
racism is witchcraft

a lot of it isn't learning anything, but rather applying stronger skepticism to things you would otherwise take for granted

anything that you are told to think is unconditionally good/evil is a lie, anything that is presented that way is probably intentionally misleading in some way

hitler is the end-all evil of the modern world, or is at least portrayed that way

whether or not the holocaust happened the way its said to have happened doesn't matter

really what it comes down to is just reading about what hitler and the natsocs actually believed for yourself and coming to your own conclusions

>he's not at the very least a skeptic about the way WW2 is presented to us

>its a hard pill to swallow because you've been conditioned your whole life not to swallow it
Tell me about it, people here are easily triggered by anything regarding the holocaust.
It's almost funny when you reveal your power level on that.

>So basically the Jewish culture and identity in inherently evil, according to your beliefs.
according to their own words

read david duke - my awakening, he quotes many jewish sources such as israel shahak

"When I saw programs on television about Anti-Semitism, hate was
almost always the word used to describe any negative opinion about
Jews. I felt no hatred toward Jews. My investigation had been purely
an intellectual exercise. I was an interloper looking into a world
where I did not belong, but it was a world that intrigued me. Ponder-
ing the “hate” question, I asked a teacher at school why the word hate
wasn't ever used by the media to describe the motivation of the mass
murder of millions of Russian Christians in the Soviet Union. Cer-
tainly, it would have taken a great deal of hate to have committed
such monstrous crimes. She had no answer, and yet I had many more
questions. In later years, I learned that labeling such inquiries “hate”
was itself part of an organized effort to demonize anyone who would
dare to oppose Jewish Supremacist hatred of the Gentile World.
Once I discovered the shared roots of both Communism and Zion-
ism, I decided to examine the history of the Jewish people, both his-
torical Judaism and the development of modern Zionism. I felt that I
had access to the best sources in the world for my investigation. I
started with three excellent and exhaustive Jewish encyclopedias."

you can get it from libgen io

This sounds pretty reasonable overall, if it's based on good evidence.

I do believe that most groups try to shape the image if history in their own way, if given the chance. The Jews and Soviets were probably no exception to this, especially under those circumstances.

The allies may not have been either but that's a different discussion.

My "hate" has nothing to do with any specific character.

It's a distaste with behavior.

I would be impressed by Hitler's wizard powers. It takes a lot of magic to get rid of six million corpses. Maybe the jews were vampires and their bodies disintegrated.

Hmm, well I have, lol.

To be fair, they were fags and gypsies. Everyone probably realised that no one cared for their suffering.

>genocide is in a lot of religions
Not really. I've never heard of it outside of Judaism and Islam. Aztecs are a distant third.

I've never seen a Jew reference it publicly.

If no one cared for their suffering, why should I care for the Jews?

Not doubting your criticism of making lines of thought illegal, but does making things illegal to question automatically make it untrue?

Is it not possible that we want to learn such a lesson from the events that questioning them can be considered by most people to be a moral crime?

>Oh but that's in a lot of religions, right?
there were several genocides and mass enslavements carried out by the jews in the old testament

I don't recall any genocides by Christians in the new testament

what do you make of pic?

If the information was false to begin with, like he said, then they would have falsified information of the span of years, decades even

6mil is not enough

I agree, but we have to start somewhere

From a purely pragmatic point of view (I've never visited the USA, although a lot of people I know obviously did), America might not exist and you might all be Jews trying to trick me.

But I'll just accept the reality of the USA's existance.

>but does making things illegal to question automatically make it untrue?

Anything that doesn't allow questioning is dubious, at best.

I hate to break it to you my ameritard friend, but if I did this with a picture of you, if would clearly prove what a stupid nigger your are.

>America might not exist and you might all be Jews trying to trick me.

There was a Strayan around these parts that legit believed that for years.

But that's the thing, you can believe that if you want to.

I'm not going to stop you.

I might laugh, though.

>a moral crime
are there any crimes that are not immoral?

>does making things illegal to question automatically make it untrue
not automatically, there is a ton of evidence that shows it was fabricated though. can you tell me anything else you will be jailed for questioning in most of europe?

think about that. there are people in jail RIGHT NOW solely for questioning details of the holocaust

If you did what, injected archives and manipulated saved images?

I would agree that these are virtues.

But in the end, all considered, you should still come to the conclusion that Hitler and his way of thinking pretty much fucked a lot of innocent people up.

In all fairness, anyone arguing that Hitler was right is also someone who should accept the fact that the government has the right to come and gas him tomorrow because he has black/blonde/ginger hair

boiling both on and under the surface of humanity.
Although we fantasize about the peace-loving nature of human
beings, most of human history is a record of tribal, ethnic, or racial
war of one kind or another. For instance, the most read book on earth,
the Bible, records the bloody history of the conflict between the Israel-
ites and the other peoples of the Middle Eastern region. It tells glori-
ous stories of war and shocking accounts of genocide. Anyone who
reads the Old Testament with unbiased eyes will readily discern its
dominant theme of racial and ethnic supremacism. There are many
blatant expressions of ethnic supremacism:
• Israelites are a "chosen people," chosen by God above all the
other peoples of the world.2
• Israelites have a right to rule over all other people and are prom-
ised that they will someday own and rule over the whole world. 3
• Israelites boast of genocide against whole peoples and king-
doms.4
• Israelites are commanded to murder all the people of the lands
where they intend to live and to kill all the people of foreign na-
tions that do not submit themselves in slavery.5
• Israelites are forbidden to make slaves of their own people, but
are encouraged to enslave non-Israelites whom they may pass
down as slaves to their descendants forever.6
• Israelites are forbidden to intermarry or "mix their seed" with
other peoples.7

I dunno man. Have you visited concentration camps?

People here are pretty well eductated on those facts, at least as far as I know. It's sad not all people know of all the suffering caused by the Holocaust.

Yes. they still killed 100 million people with communism.

So the official narrative is 6 million jews, and other groups(gypsies,gays etc) were killed on purpose by the nazis. Hitler used Jews as a scapegoat as they were the most wealthy group (and often promoted degenerate behavior, which hitler hated)

So the other narrative is The camps were work/pow/refugee camps and many died because its war and pow/refugee/political enemies/groups are not high priority. Typhus was a huge issue, the showers being for delousing, people being shaved due to typhus.

How do I choose which one to believe. Is there a silver bullet? Where do people even go to debate the most taboo topic of history other than pol

Of course 5.7 million Jews died, there's so much evidence for it. My question is and always will be "when will we finish them off for good"

From the earliest days of Christianity, Jewry became its chief per-
secutor, for they saw the Christian salvation of both “Jew and Greek”
as a threat to their ethnic purity and supremacism. It should be said
that Judaism is also diametrically opposed to the Muslim faith, which
like Christianity also has been interpreted as a universal message. Not
only did they oppose Jesus when he walked among them, they merci-
lessly persecuted his followers, the early Christians.
Yet for fear of the Jews no one spoke openly of him (John 7:13)8
. . .for you suffered like things of your own countrymen as they
did from the Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and the proph-
ets, and drove us out and displease God, and oppose all men (1
Thessalonians 2:14-16)9
Over the next few centuries, they codified Jewish oral tradition
and adopted the Babylonian Talmud as their most important religious
text. According to the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, it even supercedes
the Torah in authority.10 As Jesus Christ represents an evolution of
greater love and tolerance, the Talmud only intensified the Torah’s
chauvinism. I will thoroughly document this fact from Jewish texts
themselves and through quotes from major Jewish scholars who dis-
cuss the Talmud’s meaning. The Talmud’s unashamed and frequent
references to non-Jews as animals and “supernal refuse,”11 as well as
accounts of boiling their enemies in semen and excrement12 might
even have made Hitler blush.
I will prove this controversial statement in this book and even
show how mainstream Judaic authorities, such as uncensored editions
of another major Jewish resource, the Jewish Encyclopedia, confirm the
Talmud’s hateful anti-Gentile teachings. I will also show that rabid
anti-Gentile teachings are still promoted in modern times by many of
the largest Jewish publications, such as the most popular Jewish
newspaper in the United States, The Jewish Press. It sets the tone of
Jewish religious and cultural attitudes more than any other
newspape

the Americans rounded up Japanese-Americans in internment camps. the only differences between us and Germany were, war was not being fought on continental US soil, and we didn't have typhoid outbreaks our camps. oh, and we didn't necessarily plan on deporting the japs after the war, like Hitler did the jews

if you're interested in learning more, and not from some deranged psychopath who writes crazy run-on sentences and sounds like a madman (like many "conspiracy"-related books), check this out for free: vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres3/HoaxV2.pdf

Yeah, Europeans at least reference it. But I'm sure that'll be lost eventually just like it was here.

>and not from some deranged psychopath who writes crazy run-on sentences and sounds like a madman

But that's how you know it's legit, user.

One of its primary religious authorities is Rabbi Simcha Cohen,
who has an instructional Dear Abby type of column called Halachic
Questions. Not long ago, Rabbi Cohen instructed his readers that the
Talmud denotes Gentiles as “animals” (as outlined by Talmudic writ-
ings from Gemara Kiddushin 68a and Metzia 114b).13 In another sec-
tion he discusses how a Jewish woman is not designated as a prosti-
tute if she has premarital sex with a Jew, but she is a whore if she has
any sexual relations with a Gentile, even if she is married.
Marriage to a Gentile can never be sanctified or condoned, such a
liaison classifies the woman as a zona...common parlance inter-
prets the term zona to refer to a prostitute.... 14
Another major Jewish publication, the Jewish Chronicle, in an arti-
cle called “Some Carefully and Carelessly Chosen Words,“ reveals
that the Jewish word for Gentile woman is the offensive Yiddish word
shiksa — meaning “whore,” from the Hebrew root, sheigetz (“abomina-
tion”). It also pointed out that a little Gentile girl is called shikselke,
meaning "little female abomination."15
Shiksa – the Jewish term for a Gentile woman, from the root word sheigetz
meaning “abomination” or “whore.”
Shikselke – a Gentile little girl, meaning “little female abomination.”
How would Jews and the media react if Gentiles casually referred
to Jewish women and little girls as “Jewish whores” and “little Jewish
whores”? What would happen to any politician or entertainer in the
world who referred to Jewish women and little girls as Jewish
whores? Am I now supposed to be called an anti-Semite because I
simply dare to expose such hateful anti-Gentilism proven in the two
most influential Jewish newspapers in America?

We make murder illegal too, because somehow, people can't get it into their head that it's wrong to kill. Same goes for stealing and other crimes.

Is it inconceivable that questioning the Holocaust was made illegal because of the indignity it does to humanity?

I agree though that everything must be criticized and doubted - a healthy society works that way.

I believe though, that these rules originate from the early post-war years, in which nazism was still common.

These laws should be canceled in our time

Yes, because jews started first. And they won't end.

>if it turns out...

How is anything going to turn out? We live in an age of information overload when, despite so much communication technology, people can't get a clear idea of what's happening in Syria now. WW2 propaganda was the first step towards the post-history era. For thousands of years humans didn't keep records, leaving us to guess at their history from fragments of archaeology. Then, for a a couple of millenia, record keeping formed the basis of history. Fukuyamo was right in 1992, but for the wrong reasons. We had reached the end of history, but only because the current world contains far too much information for any attempt at genuine objectivity.

your post is pretty bluepilled, I don't know where to start

so i'm not going to

if you're really interested, read hitler and the other natsocs

learn more about the circumstances that lead to hitler being what he was

figure out why it is he was an antisemite

there's a lot of important elements in these ideas that are conveniently left out of history classes but are none the less true

understanding the context that lead hitler to do the things he did is important

It's by reading these threads that I realize that irony has a limit, you guys aren't retarded, you went too far in a shitty trip
Denying a historical event is a thing, however denying the assassination of milions of human beings, and not only that but saying that it is deserved because some jews do succeed in life...
You do realize than judaism is basically the basis of all monotheist religions, right ?
This is not funny anymore, you're just laughing at a crime against humanity, it doesn't get worse than that

>would you still hate them?
Of course, they don't stop being Jews just because an extremely specific number of them died.

>Is it inconceivable that questioning the Holocaust was made illegal because of the indignity it does to humanity?

Yes, it is inconceivable that you would disallow questioning, under penalty of law.

If you can't question it, you can't know the truth of it. If you can't know the truth of something, it erodes your trust elsewhere when dealing with the entity that inhibits questioning (the "what else are they covering up?" hysteria that you see get triggered)

>Is it inconceivable that questioning the Holocaust was made illegal because of the indignity it does to humanity?
any other genocides it is illegal to question? armenian? holodomor(60 million russian christians killed by the jewish bolsheviks after their revolution), the hutu and the tutsi?

>These laws should be canceled in our time
so why haven't they? cuo bono? who benefits?

I'll try and read it. If your argument is, however, that governments are justified in attacking general populations and putting people in camps / deporting / gassing them, you might want to look at my earlier post.

Once that same logic is used to gas/deport/encamp someone of your own group or liking, it suddenly becomes a travesty.

Holocaust is Greek for Whole Burnt Offering. Why would you name your greatest tragedy that? Who was the offering to?

>the holocaust didn't happen but I want it to happen again
Would change to
>the holocaust happened and I want it to happen again

yep youtu.be/qXTmAkJKikI

>This is not funny anymore, you're just laughing at a crime against humanity, it doesn't get worse than that

Actually, trying to shame people out of asking questions is lower.

it's possible for both sides to be wrong, there is a punishment that is suitable for thousands of years of debt slavery and it's less than genocide

what do you make of this?

>Shiksa – the Jewish term for a Gentile woman, from the root word sheigetz
meaning “abomination” or “whore.”
>Shikselke – a Gentile little girl, meaning “little female abomination.”

what kind of hatred is there to call fellow countrywomen whores or abominations?

Didn't you hear? It's 20 million now. kys antisemite

>someone has already posted this image
beat me to it

Do some research, crunch some numbers, apply a little critical thinking, and you'll realize at least 50% of the holocaust shit is propaganda.

or just parrot what your told and continue living your life as a member of the herd since that's easier.

Question implies it did not happen, even though there is tons of evidence that it did in fact happen, but you deny it, even if we were able to bring you back in time and show you jews getting killed you wouldn't admit it, because it's funnier this way
The Holocaust did happen, it is not a question, it is a fact

The holocaust didn't happen but it should have

>governments are justified in attacking general populations and putting people in camps / deporting / gassing them, you might want to look at my earlier post.
certainly justified in interning people in your country if you are at war with them

I didn't finish the book myself, but I got pretty far into it, and the thesis seems to be (if I recall correctly):
- Hitler wanted the Jews out of Germany
- he rounded them up in camps. they weren't "death camps", but they weren't four-star hotels either (not unlike the Japanese-American internment camps)
- some of the camps were internment camps, some of them were labor camps.
- typhoid outbreak, supply line bombings, and more, were the cause of most of the Jew deaths
- some Nazi ranking leaders probably had some Jews killed in certain locations, but it was far from a fully-intentional, systematic eradication of an entire race
- six million is fucking ridiculous
- the war crime trials were absurd
- hey woah as a result of all of this, Israel is formed. that's pretty neat.

"The Culture of Critique" is next on my reading list.