Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
Intended to destroy the state, instead ends up being the most totalitarian regimes in history
Communism doesn't work
James Ward
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Gabriel Miller
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Nathaniel Gomez
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Brandon Mitchell
I genuinely admire your perseverance putting these threads up nearly every day. If everyone displayed the same dedication I'd be halfway to believing communism could actually work outside of a post-scarcity society.
Grayson Thomas
Come to leftypol we are building communism there and we are more everyday.
Nolan Cruz
There's no such thing as a post-scarcity society. Everything is finite, you can only divide resources a finite number of times.
Hunter Bell
How do you know whether a line of production is worth its costs in communist society?
How many votes do I need to force other people to produce what I want in a communist society?
Leo Walker
Until we develop asteroid mining.
Robert Sullivan
>"workers deserve returns from the investment they never made" >"capital investments should be abolished" >delusional ideology that avoids discourse at all cost Into the trash it goes.
Jordan Brooks
Hmm what do poor third world countries have in common.
Right! Communism! But it's such a wonderful idea in theory. Robbing people has never sounded this fluffy and justified before.
Let me look at my ancestral hometown, China!
Poverty >check
Poor education >check
Totalitarian state >check
Misery >check
Equality >check, citizens are equally poor yay!!!
Filthy rich corrupt officials that looks like characters from anti capitalist comics >check
Aww gosh darn it! At least they got the equality part right. Lets keep trying, who knows it might work as theory. Fuck practical evidence.
Wyatt Sanchez
What a fucking embarrassment. You make our country look like shit. You already lost in the glorious crusade where so many great spaniards fell, and because you couldn't win then, you try to win now, manipulating our history and our society.
I know Jose Antonio has not been forgotten yet, and in a few years, especially when Catalonia finally commits treason, the Falange is going to rise again. And this time it will be forever.
Arriba España.
Chase Phillips
No. After you develop asteroid mining resources will still be finite. The conflict of people wanting something for themselves vs letting the collective have it will still exist.
"Post-scarcity" is yet another commie larping meme to help them believe in their delusions.
Christian Roberts
>The conflict of people wanting something for themselves vs letting the collective have it will still exist. And so will the gulags :^)
Dominic Reyes
>i'm gonna make a non-funny commie joke to distract from the fact that I'm obtusely wrong :^) How come countries get so poor after you abolish capital investments comrade? How come decades of undisputed communist ruling couldn't abolish money not even once? How come even North Korea has to let markets function with money to some degree in order for their population to not starve?
Destroying entire nations worst than an atomic nuke while claiming to be on the path of a magical utopia; from the outside point of view it almost seems like it's a completely insane cult. Almost.
Michael Barnes
You are disgusting and will be shot in the next civil war like the pig you are
Caleb Long
The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.
Gabriel Thomas
>trying to bury me under a retarded amount of retarded implications >bringing up Cuba Cuba was embargoed for more than 60 years and every trade it attempted to make was disrupted by USA. Feel free to play deaf or dismiss economic sabotage by the world's sole superpower as typical commie whining.
Benjamin Bell
You do realise you yourself are a tool of the rich to further their goals of a one world government that will inevitably make them richer and us poorer. How does it feel just being a useful idiot for Soros and Rotschild?
Christian Ramirez
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They're going to get shot, though?
William Ramirez
There is no relationship with us communists and these two capitalists.
Lincoln Gray
That has nothing to do with what I asked comrade. How do you know whether a line of production is worth its costs in a communist society? How do we force millions of people to produce products they might not even use? Seeing that this is a requirement for the standards of living of modern society.
Also: >workers deserve the returns from the investments they never made You can't be this stupid, right comrade?
Joshua Brown
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society. Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies: >Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/gommies.gom/starve/
>How do we force millions of people to produce products they might not even use? >socialist economy is specifically about production for use, rather than exchange >asking questions about "worth" and "cost"
Cooper Perez
Please god, let Spain have a communist revolution. I want to see more pics like these.
Nathaniel Ross
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Blake Davis
>unironically believes that communism exist for the proletariat >doesnt realise that leftists keep benefiting (((them))) >forgets that there is no longer a working class that will rise up
I've seen smart commies and you surely are not anywhere near them, pls kys
Nicholas Fisher
commencing anti-kike ideology dump
Juan King
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John Clark
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Robert Rogers
>dodging the whole point and trying to slide away from it How many countries embargoed Cuba again? Oh, that's right, one, just one. And it didn't even count for food and medicine. Are you saying that abolishing private investments and private enterprises would have turned out great if only they could trade with a single extra country? Are you fucking delusional?
What about South Korea, which is bordering with a black hole with no productivity, why aren't they piss poor?
Sebastian Sullivan
>Amerishart trying to look down on other countries >when 30% of his own is poor and 80% are in debt
Luis Thomas
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Robert Jenkins
>>forgets that there is no longer a working class that will rise up
There are no wage earner laborers including those who by circumstances can't work but would if they could ? that's the working class.
Jaxon Russell
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Nicholas Nelson
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Anthony Jenkins
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Adam Parker
>USA is just one country muh dood! >ignoring that USA disrupted every trade deal Cuba tried to make with other countries >ignoring that US dollar being the global reserve currency gives USA a finger in every economic pie Are you that fucking ignorant of how the world works, or are you just pretending?
Elijah Miller
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Jack Lee
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Ryder Gutierrez
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Landon Wood
you need to be more specific. Which branch of marxism leninism do you want to discuss? Stalinism? Trotskyism?Diamat?
Zachary Clark
Strasserism :^)
Josiah Brooks
Umaru is a perfect idol for gommunism >spoiled youth >never had any hardships >pure cunt when not getting her way >makes someone else do literally everything for her Now that I think of it she's pretty much Karl Marx - her brother is Engels
Camden Morales
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Zachary Garcia
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Gavin Jenkins
This is a communist general, any communist branch is welcome, even if I'm ML inclined myself.
Austin Perry
> the three jewish traitors of humanity taking a selfie with a device that was produced in the most capitalist way and nations, but it's okay because hey, china totally is (((communist))) right guys?
Chase Mitchell
>which failed branch of communism do you want to discuss? >or do you want to discuss my specific, perfect brand of communism that hasn't been tried?
Luke Morris
Oh, so you wouldn't produce that shit barbecue the workers would need to use it. Fucking brilliant. How many processor ships does the workers of dell need? A couple thousand. I guess mankind doesn't need processors. I guess we should all just go back to the stone age because markets are oppressive and shit. >>socialist economy is specifically about production for use, rather than exchange I've heard this a million times and every time hear it, I cannot phantom how retarded and chaotic the mind of a socialist is. Do you think people don't buy what they use? Do you seriously think that enterprises aren't making money by producing what people need?
Socialists are mentally warped. They don't know the world they live in. Socialists are people that got used to deceiving their own minds into a false sense of knowledge.
Owen Long
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Aiden Ross
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Daniel Torres
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Brayden Mitchell
Hey, mr leafy, let's end this once and for all. Tell me, how do you know a line of production is worth its costs in a socialist society? How do you know what should be produced, with what materials, at what quantity, and distributed at what locations?
And since you cannot forced people to not produce what they don't use, how do you plan on having a PC to LARP as a communist on the internet in a true communist society?
It's time to stop, it's time to face your delusions.
Caleb Russell
>oil >oil >tax haven >tax haven >oops, already stagnating I agree, Social Democracies work great. Until oil money runs out. Just look at Venezuela.
Juan Green
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Jason Roberts
How do you know whether a good is worth its costs in a communist society again? And how do you force millions of people to produce what they might not even use without free trade again?
Xavier Sanders
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Hudson Morris
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Justin Morales
COMMIES GET OUT
Nathaniel Rodriguez
FUCK OFF COMMIE SCUM
Jace Morris
Op you a fucking commie rat go suck some college aged antifa micro dicks you shit cunt Get of my board you filthy Normie
Mason Hill
>COMMIES GET OUT
Undialectical.
Brandon Martinez
Under the welfare state no one will risk their life for "better" conditions of living, communism will pnly triumph were the uneducated and poor are, not in wealthy countries were the big corporations are keeping the good goyim happy while they don't realise that their culture and rights are being taken
David Lee
In a communist society, a good is only worth the energy being put into it.
Jeremiah Peterson
>Paul Cockshot That's the guy from this email that said society could just magically figure out what "productivity" is. KEK
Caleb Foster
GOOGLE BOOKCHIN
Jayden Gray
>being a Turd Worldist Unruhe plz
Charles Miller
There is a huge lack of understanding on what communism actually is by the general population. One of our main task is to make sure that changes. When people are well informed of the convenience and necessity of communism that will pave the way.
Nathan White
He just decided you weren't worth his time, stop being delusional, grow up. You are not entitled to other people just because you sent them an e-mail, he was courteous enough to respond given he has probably a lot of work already.
Daniel Harris
Hello comrade, revolution when?
Ayden Ortiz
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David Sullivan
When we turn USA into socialism.
Thomas Watson
That's fucking retarded to the extreme.
First off, I know for a fact that this is something you made up right now, and communists do that a lot.
Second off, you don't know what value is, do you don't know what's this "energy" you are talking about. Different types of labor are different things. Different types of resources are different things, you can't mash together heterogeneous pieces of information.
Thirdly, this would be completely unhelpful. "Value" is not something you invent, value is something that exists. Humans will chose to give up certain things in exchange for others, value comes from what we wan't, and trying to invent a new definition of value is retarded and unhelpful because it doesn't match what people want.
Jason James
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Ryan Perez
After USA collapses.
Nathaniel Bailey
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Kevin Price
>telling a commie they don't know what value is ok
Nolan Clark
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Brandon Kelly
You people are fucking retarded. You seriously think you can price fix all labor and figure out what "productivity" is out of this air? Do you seriously think the 3 guys that got the email were just "too busy" to defend their own thesis and arguments they wrote a book about?
I'll email him again just because that's the third time you made that claim.
Nicholas Johnson
We got to the point where your mind is so ravaged with cognitive dissonance you aren't even reading what I write.
Grayson Martin
>replying seriously to braindead retarded commie pasta spam
Jeremiah Mitchell
You are not collaborating unlike Problem is that common liberals also believe that educating the poor will pace the way to a better life for them, but when you explain communism to the masses they only see free shit. Here in Spain countryside towns woukd have little revolutions in which they just killed the major and Guarda Civil and proceed to burn the documents in the town hall, tjinking that that was the libertarianism they were promised
Luis Walker
are you seriously trying to debate a communist brazilbro? That shit's a lost cause. Let them worship their jewish system
Denmark is not socialist and GDP doesn't mean much.
Dylan Long
>to busy to defend my own ideas That's why you also ignore me at every thread and never actually defend your ideas as well, right? Because you are just too busy. Not because you are completely delusional and would get hit by cognitive dissonance hard if you even tried.
Jonathan Rodriguez
off yourself faggot
Michael Garcia
check my 5
Jack Hill
ebin
Michael Diaz
It will be some form of egalitarian, ethical socialism that will needed to lead humanity to the tech-utopia.
Humanity is doomed to a violent end without limits on wealth and power.
None of the previous forms of socialism have worked or could prove themselves to work, as none were able to cull corruption from the leadership class, and none are compatible with modern standards and technology.
