Am mainland chinese, someone kindly explain to me why communism was/is bad for China? I just don't get it

am mainland chinese, someone kindly explain to me why communism was/is bad for China? I just don't get it.

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also my political compass, please no bully

it's not
China is climbing the rankings while first-world countries are leveling out.

>be mainlander
>get organs harvested while alive

I agree

falun gong pls go away

It's not. And stop listening to degenerate jewish puppet states of the west.

Because it destryed any culture China had and made it weak and ineffective. Even today it's the sweatshop of the west, and only has military strength due to its sheer numbers

kys

Are the tens of millions of deaths through famine, purges, counter-revolutionary movements etc. not good enough for you? More people than the entire population of Taiwan today starved to death in the space of a few years thanks to communism policies

thanks for your advice, pakibro

>destryed any culture China had
then how come chinese still celebrate traditional holidays from thousands of years ago?
>sweatshop of the west
sweatshops are going away due to the increasing salary of chinese workers
>military strength due to its sheer numbers
afaic, USA has the numbers (warships. aircrafts)

which part of no bully don't you understand?!

>tens of millions of deaths through famine
but I could argue there were too many people and too little food, and then the communism party leader Deng made the one child policy after Mao died, it worked but is still blamed for human rights violation by the west

>jewish puppet states of the west
>pakistan

hahaha nice meme

Deng was pro free market, he wasn't a commie you dunce. Mao Zedong even ousted him before that and vilified him as a "rightist"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_campaigns_of_the_Communist_Party_of_China

Here's Communist China summed up in 1 image

>Mainland Chinese
>Speaks English
>Taiwan Flag
Really fires my neurons

Hitler couldn't even kill that many people on purpose.

China is making anime, electric cars and african railways nowadays, not impossible they are making shitposters

>too little food
Yeah that'll happen when you mobilise your entire country to kill all the birds that eat locusts

june fourth 1989

I know he wasn't exactly a communist, but he was still leader of the party and made decisions that were condemned as a communist

you see, western media is very good at numbers, I've read many "inside stories", sometimes it's 30 million in 3 years, sometimes it's 45 million in 4 years, but from information I gathered, it's 30 million under 10 years rule of Mao, which means an average of 3 million deaths each year, it wasn't exactly a huge number compares to the huge population of China

totally not wumao

the environment of chinese intranet is very toxic and highly censored, I had to use a proxy to post here

I think mao was a good leader in times of war, but he realllly should've let professionals do their work
unfortunately he own ego got ahead of him

those numbers are just bullshit. its attribution of every death to the leader, like if i tallied every who died the past 8 years and said Obama kill them.

data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN?locations=CN

look at the life expectancy in china according the World Bank. That evil Mao really ruined the Chinese people!

Famine related deaths are the result of a leader if it was a non-natural famine. You are bullshit.

it's not an efficient economic method and just sucks for people in general, that's all

mao actions trigger the west greatly
without his iron first approach, china would have balkanized for sure
gdp per capita, quality of life and freedoms will be higher than today in a broken up china

but china won't be in the security council spot and actually stand a chance to overtake usa's wealth
also, half the world wishes that you'll have a uprising that breaks china up

there's no doubt Mao made wrong decisions, but is wasn't due to communism, my parents usually say he made those decisions bc he was old and couldn't think straight

an incident that couldn't be mentioned on chinese forums, something big might happen next month bc a convicted billionaire called Guo wengui ran away and says he will do a information dump on many leaders of CCP

yes I think communism is an ideology worth dying for, which is vital in war times, people under KMT rules just gave up fighting when japanese imperialists came

When you kill all your political opponents (the non-retards) during the "great" leap forward this is what you're left with.

youtube.com/watch?v=qBCLXZmMQNs

Well, you've got those massive empty cities that were built at the direction of the government and are just sitting out there in the middle of nowhere.

You've got the "Great Leap Forward" that caused mass starvation. Yeah, pulling peasant farmers off their fields and telling them that they're gonna start building furnaces in their back yards is great fucking planning.

You've got escalators that eat people, sewer systems that regularly collapse and swallow people whole, and apartment buildings held together by bubblegum and twine.

Oh, and don't forget the great one child policy that not only caused uneconomically-advantageous girls to be aborted en masse, but also lead to households with top-heavy and unsustainable structure: 4 grandparents who are too old to work, and only two parents and (if they're lucky) a son whose job it is to somehow feed and clothe them.

Mao made very little and very inconsequential mistakes.

And his greatest achievement was to create an extremely efficient meritocratic political system.

>confuse communism with socialism(chink style collective leadership in specific)

>why is communism bad

Look at the root of the ideology for your answer to that.

Also while we're on the topic id like to point out that chrony capitalism has produced every bit of wealth your nation owns. Had kikes like Alexander Hamilton and the rest of the fuckheads who inherited the treasury not slowly but surely sold this country down the river, communism wouldnt even exist, and even if it did exist any nation backing it wouldve been denied everything from military assistance to a grain of rice. Fuckers. The russians and chinese would be playing dice for scraps of tuna in a can.

ah so inscrutabru chinee mind stirr no savvy

exactly, I think communism was the best thing that happened to China, we call it modern China after the cultural revolution and many chinese agree with me on this. Right now our government call our economic system as socialism with chinese characteristics, we are told this is a system that have the pros of both communism and capitalism.

China is a country with 1.3 billion people, you can't just take some chinese tourists as an example for all chinese, that kind of generalization is immature

Starvation

>muh system
>800 billion yuan corruption
>lack human right
>no freedom of press and speech
>one oldfuck named Jiang Zemin got butthurt by athletic organization and politically suppressed it because he was less popular than it
>search Falungong
>great Firewall in Internet

stay bluepilled

well theres 70 million reasons

as much as I'd like to debate you on these points, but does any of it related to communism?

our textbooks say communism is the final stage of socialism

no, the question was why is communism bad for China, a country that has more population than the whole west combined. And you just told me why capitalists are bad for a country, they sell anything if they can make a profit.

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MILLIONS of people died, you fucking moron. People were fleeing China wholesale. Those who stayed ended up eating the thatch from their houses, and their own children.

操你妈, 快点死啦

A lot of temples and cultural sites were demolished during the cultural revolution

Also the whole mass starvation thing.

Communism = kike invention to destroy nations

Chinese children wear DESIGNATED SHITTING PANTS

only now that they've embraced capitalism though.

mao was installed by soviet operatives in the us state department; these actors directed the cia to withdraw their support of maos opponents at a critical pivot during the revolution.

the stalinization of china saw some 70 million people killed, and economy and industry set back decades. only now that hong kong capitalism has fully gained control of the chinese state is improvement occuring.

the government may be the communist party, but they were destalinised long ago, and as a result their slave class has gradually been shrinking.

this has of course made communism dwindle faster; they now face opposition from the new middle class on every socialist policy; that would return them all into poverty.

>communism is final stage
So Does PRC compel common ownership of means of production?
or let conglomerates become member of party and rule the whole bluepilled ppl?
Watch real news user kun

well I could say the exact same thing to your country, doesn't have to do with communism

>MILLIONS of people die
because of the wrong decisions of Mao

that's just conspiracy theories

Well, the Great Leap Forward was a direct result of central market planning, which goes hand in glove with Communism and was a major initiative of the Communist government, although that's already been discussed earlier in the thread.

The pointless empty cities are also the result of Communist economic policy. In a capitalist system, the lack of demand for them would have stopped them from ever being built.

The shoddy and deadly infrastructure is a combination of lack of proper regulatory oversight (admittedly not exclusively a Communist issue) and adverse incentives which are enforced by Communism. In a capitalist society, construction would be handled through a competitive bidding process, and those whose superior resource management, skill, and efficiency would ultimately be able to offer the best bids and be awarded the contract. Under Communism, there is no practicable method of ensuring that the most qualified to engage in construction are given the job, or that once put to work, they will have the motivation to do a timely and quality job. That's why the severe infrastructure failures that are relatively commonplace in Chinese cities simply don't occur with any significant frequency in capitalist societies.

As for the one child policy, I would have to know a little more about it in order to determine its link to Communism per se, but as it was set in place by the Communist government, and involves the high level of government intrusion into affairs typically thought to be wholly within the sphere of the family which is typical of Communist policies, it would be highly disingenuous to claim that it's unrelated to Communism.

>falun gong
Scientology tier
Founder literally believes to be in contact ayy lmaos
content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2053761,00.html
>stay bluepilled

I like your writing style, user. It's the best prose I've read on Sup Forums all day.

>that's just conspiracy theories

Let's see. Karl Marx was a jew. Lenin was a Jew, married a Jew, and his children spoke Yiddish as their first language. Trotsky was a Jew. Lazar Kaganovich, the "Wolf of the Kremlin" was a Jew, and used his position to decimate the populations of peoples historically hostile to Jewish interests in Russia, notably the Cossacks. Matvei Berman and Naftali Frenkel, the two men behind the establishment of the Gulag system were both Jews. All six administrators behind the White Sea-Baltic canal, which involved forced labor and had a death toll of 25,000 were Jews. All six of them. Genrik Yagoda, head of the secret police, was a Jew.

I could go on, but I think you get the point. A vastly, vastly disproportionate amount of high-ranking and power government officials were Jews and the idea of Communism itself was invented by a Jew (Marx) and then implemented in Russia by Jews (Lenin and Trotsky)

>Does PRC compel common ownership of means of production
some will never be private owned, oil company, military-industrial complex, etc
>let conglomerates become member of party
there are roughly 90 million party members, many of them are big company owners

>Great Leap Forward
yes it's a central market planning and a wrong one, but there are also many successful central market planning in China such as medical care, construction of high speed railways, etc
>The pointless empty cities
>The shoddy and deadly infrastructure
many are built by private companies, as for ghost cities, they bought the land from the local government and thought they would make a profit, it turned out no one wants to live there, it doesn't have to do with supply and demand.
>one child policy
well it violates human rights, of course it was labelled as communism

well Albert Einstein was a jew too, did he plan to nuke Japan? afaik, Judaism was a common religion at the time

OK so stop moving hundreds of thousands into hongcouver every year. Your country is fine so why not stay there? I realized this isn't an argument but holy shit please realized there is definitely something wrong if everyone is fleeing the country.

>Your country is fine so why not stay there?
Did I say China is so fine? If 0.1% of chinese want to immigrate elsewhere, it's a lot of people. And many corrupt officials flee to your country to avoid being put in jail. how about you select a leader to keep the immigrants away?

look at china before the economic reform

Funny you should mention that. According to his biography titled "Albert Einstein" by Albrecht Folsing, Einstein strongly supported the Bolshevik revolution (pages 644-45). Here's a quote by Einstein from page 64 of "Einstein and the Poet" by WIlliam Hermanns: "I'm not a Communist but I can well understand why they destroyed the Church in Russia. All the wrongs come home, as the proverb says. The Church will pay for its dealings with Hitler, and Germany, too."

Einstein did not plan to nuke Japan, but he did likely plan to nuke Germany. Recall that the Manhattan project began well before V-E day. Had the war not ended prior to the bomb's completion, I have no doubt that Einstein would have pushed for its use on Germany.