Why has Sup Forums got such a hard on for capitalism? This isn't in defense of communism or socialism, both communism and capitalism are Jewish monopoly's.
Capitalism is Usury. Its defining belief is ‘return on investment’. This is an extension of the ‘time value’ of money, which is the central tenet of modern economics. Capitalism is unthinkable without banking and banking is institutionalized Usury.
Usury is Plutocracy. Compound interest makes it unavoidable that the very richest own everything in generations.
And this is indeed what happened: Capitalism is one huge global monopoly. All the major banks own each other and most Transnationals plus a huge chunk of land. This juggernaut was built with the plunder of Usury.
We have all seen that Rothschild was worth 50 billion in 1850. At 5% per year, this fortune would now be a trillion, at 8% per year Rothschild would now be worth hundreds of trillions.
This is why it has been said that ‘compound interest is the strongest force in the Universe’.
It's true. With capitalism you either get billionaires making more monopolies, buying cocaine and prostitutes, or they donate the majority of their money. Would you rather have the former, or force the latter?
Tyler Myers
Agree. The capitalist system is responsible for our displacement.
Thomas Flores
Capitalism is bad, but it's relatively better than communism.
Meritocracy (Heinlein's way) all the way
Samuel Perez
One is a market system and the other is Government Theory which includes Economic Theories. They're not two sides of the same coin.
Benjamin Taylor
The only solution is islam. Islam means real social market economy. Wealth without exploitation.
Jaxon Murphy
>t. Masood bint Khataab bin Ali bin Wahidalrumulilhah
Evan Kelly
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Leo Cox
Stop cross linking threads you cunt.
Julian Ramirez
Just let it all burn, senpai
Juan Miller
>The only solution is islam.
That is a problem not a solution you aren't fooling any one Turk roach back you go
Anthony Harris
Yeah capitalism isn't perfect.
But at least under it we can agree with each other what something is worth instead of being told. We have choices. A common argument against this is "well with monopolies there are no choices". I reject that notion. I can choose to go without it and even attempt to create an alternative should I so choose. There's also no bigger incentive for creativity than to be paid for it. It's why the music industry tries so hard to protect their profits.
Charles Brooks
Dumb reddit ancaps
Ancap and (((libertarianism))) movements are going to be crushed between the rising boots of the Right and the Left.
Lead, follow or get out of the way. And the far right is making the charge right now
Daniel Wilson
I wish I had the power to do that.
Levi James
There's a reason Jesus through the money lenders out of the temple. Any society that values money above all else will inevitably die.
Jordan Evans
Capitalism is a term coined by Karl Marx. All it means is "economic freedom." People have the freedom to work, change jobs, earn more, start a business, fire people, hire people, all without big brother government getting in the way.
Anthony Cox
>and even attempt to create an alternative should I so choose
How do you attempt to create an alternative if the lack of capital prevents you because of inflated regulations and requirements by said monopolies?
Brody Turner
Implying you can't have that under Fascism or natsoc.
If your against the economic polices of fascism and natsoc your literally a traitor since you can be capitalistic up to the point where it hurts the nation and people. Therefore you want to shit all over the nation all for greed like some kike.
Gavin Robinson
Black-white thinking is Marxian at its core. You're creating a false dichotomy statist.
Isaac Hill
The problem I see with this argument is that you don't mention the current conditions which result in this inequality. It has to do with the monetary system and fractional reserve banking, and with unlimited government which is use by corporations via lobbying to enforce their monopolies. That is the main factor behind the current state of capitalism which anti-capitalists don't mention or look it. What would it look like with sound money, with limited govt unable to be abused by corporations? It would make a huge fucking difference. I say we try that out before ditching capitalism altogether
Levi Nelson
Either a filthy race-traitor again or a turkroach
Luke Campbell
>that pic Nice feminist fiction. The strong blonde girl is kicking out the men. Toplel. In reality she'd be the first to spread her legs for them.
Ryder Walker
Capitalism is just two people exchanging their property you stupid goy.
Leo Perry
Go fuck yourself Erdogan
Xavier Walker
>inflated regulations and requirements of said monopolies So, the government? You're pointing out the evils of socialism and trying to blame it on capitalism.
Henry Barnes
Don't you know meme magic?
Zachary Lee
Why not just have national capitalism where there is a free market but international banks are barred from operating in your country and white people can live in peace, degenerates can starve, and kikes can cry?
Julian Ramirez
Look at the influence of smth simple as ending the gold standard
people just blame it on "capitalism" without looking at the complexities and how we are getting jewed. If capitalism was the problem, they wouldn't be conspiring and creating all these scams to create this wealth inequality. If it was inherent in capitalism itself, they would just have to sit on their porch and wait
Blake Perry
The key problem with communism and capitalism today is the same problem that religion has had for centuries. Religion is good by itself, but as soon as it gains control over government power, it uses that power to crush the rights and best interests of those not in power. The same has happened with communism and capitalism.
The only way to fix capitalism would be for us to have separation between business and state the same way we had a separation between church and state.
Carter Bailey
Sup Forums is and always has been a stasserist board
Justin Thompson
>Capitalism is a term coined by Karl Marx Source?
Jaxon Allen
That right there is socialism though letting the government decide what is and what isn't good business. I won't argue that there should be restrictions of where you can dump your chemical waste, but a good business is making their customers happy not actively trying to fuck them in the ass. When they start doing that it's when people think of ideas on how to improve that. Besides, small businesses get started with personal loans among friends all the time.
Nice appeal to emotion friend.
Christopher Perez
>capitalistic up to the point where it hurts the nation and people You know nothing dude. Capitalism is just an economic system, it has no cultural implications( although high moral standards are needed for it be established successfully). When you say capitalism is inflated paper money made by central banks to get rid of long term growth and individual planning, then you are surely hurting your people. US for example don't have capitalism for at least a century. The same can be said of Europe. There is no point where individual freedom hurts the people or its culture because if it were otherwise, it wouldn't be voluntary like capitalistic relationships. I think this whole thread is a huge bait.
Ayden Martin
> muh totally not marxist polemic against capitalism > proposes no solution to the (((problematic))) issue of usury
how would YOU suggest people with little capital gain the financing for their startup small business or the purchase of a house or car?
should they rent until they can buy? renting is just as (((problematic))) as usury if not more so
appeal to a charity? charities cant be relied on, and most are barely better than a televangelist scam
live in a refrigerator box under a bridge?
seriously, if i cant gain a return on my money i will NOT LEND IT, instead i will re-invest in my own business or, like (((Apple inc.))) stash it in an overseas bank and sit on it for no explicable reason
fractional reserve lending is the poison, lending money you dont have based on a small amount (usually less than 10% of the amount loaned) of other people's money you are simply keeping warm for them is what is destroying the world economy.
also, capitalism doesnt need banks, capitalism is based on the concept that you can own your shit, and sell it at whatever price you can get, and you can buy anything you want provided you are willing tho fork over the cash required.
capitalism existed long before banking, and "usury" is only derided by jews and muzzies (but only when lending to the in-group, anyone outside can be longdonged at your pleasure)
Matthew Reyes
Go on argue back. You can be capitalistic up until the point or hurting the nation.
if your against this you are for the degeneration or society or globalism, as that's what your doing.
Capitalism definition
An economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
USA and Europe are capitalistic. The need for more economic growth and cheap workers is why Australia opened up to non whites and what corporations in Europe love to say about the migrants.
Yeah no we're deep in capitalism now and we're only going to go deeper unless the right can rise up. George soros can and has changed nations entire governments just by how much wealth he has
Xavier Edwards
> german flag > doesnt recognize the classical personification of Europa > found the rapefugee shill go back to eritrea mustafa, nobody cares what mudcritters think.
Nathaniel Clark
dont bother, capitalism was first sed by william thackery in a novel back in 1854.
pol/ shills usually just claim shit and refuse to back it up.
Nathaniel Ross
You forgot to mention just the most important factor of capitalism: the currency. Once upon a time it was gold, now it is worse than toilet paper because this don't lose value over time. Without a currency free from government control, you hardly have capitalism because the state has the power to run into deficit ad infinitum and bailout companies to not let the scheme fall over its own weight. How can you call this capitalism?
James Kelly
> faggot uses the jewgle definition drafted by crypto-marxists as a thinly veiled attack on the concept of markets and free enterprise Definition of capitalism : an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market
No it's paper backed by military and oil and before that it was gold because you can't carry lumps of gold around and before that it was bartering which is all capitalistic. Doesn't matter if I'm exchanging goats for horses it's still capitalistic
Definition of capitalism : an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market
Yeah sure sounds like the United states and Europe to me. But please go ahead and tell me how we're all secretly living in communism because the state funds a few hospitals.
Joshua Martin
neither.
If it's good for our people we support it wholeheartedly. If it's bad for our people we crush it with an iron fist.
Matthew Murphy
>This
How the hell haven't people worked it out. You can become rich and own factories and invest and sell you just can't fuck over the nation for profit like a Jew. What's so difficult if your against this it means you want people to be able to sell out your nation for cheap labor and degenerate shit for self gain
David Richardson
>cutting off your foreskin fixes the economy smd famalam
Owen Wood
It's paper backed my nothing and most of this money is entirely virtual and imposed to the population. You're just looking at the exchange event without knowing the implications of paper money. It messes up long term plans because you can't predict the price of the things. You're being dishonest for not considering this.
Jaxson Hill
Strasserite reporting in
Josiah Ross
>above all else, Sup Forums cares about morality and opposes moral degeneracy >modern communism has embraced degeneracy >therefore Sup Forums opposes communism
Not difficult to understand. You'd find widespread support for any economic theory that preserved traditional morality, e.g. Strasserism. Only problem is, who the fuck has heard of Strasserism?
Lincoln Reed
What do you replace it with?
Kayden Brown
Corporatism
Daniel Howard
Muslims hate commies R tard
Asher Martinez
surplus theft does not exist you cannot be stolen from if you can say "I quit"
Justin Clark
What is the alternative then? Centralized economical planning and interventionism? Because that worked really well didn't it Mao?
> Hurr durr inequality exists so I'd rather give up all my freedoms and be poor and famished instead
Brody Adams
I agree.
The post-industrial capitalism is ironically marxist(and therefore jewish) in essence. It's all reduced to materialism and production, including humans. Exactly the same as in a openly marxist society
Blake Collins
What is the alternative then? Centralized economical planning and interventionism? Because that worked really well didn't it Hitler?
Uh oh there goes my strawman
Austin Nelson
The existence of government doesn't imply in socialism.
It's just natural to assume that big corporations will try to manipulate the government to do their will.
Chase Edwards
>inequality exists
That isn't the main reason. Capitalism erodes culture and values and replaces them with degenerate self-obsession and consumerism. Love for your family and countrymen, identifying with your nation has been replaced with love for consumer electronics and identifying with brands.
Austin Carter
We need radical change. Hitler was right.
Camden Russell
It literally didn't work
Christian Martinez
>like the more than 50 percent of the intellectual lightweights on pol even knows what that means
Angel Walker
That's why Fascism is sometimes called a "Third Position" ideology, since it renounces Capitalism and Communism
Logan Miller
>being destroyed militarily by outside forces >economic system failed
pick one
Blake Jones
Why are you using the word "literally" there?
Nicholas Morgan
You're confusing capitalism with corporatism.
The free market is superior to socialism. Right now we run under a majority socialist system (force taxes to subsidize everyone who's incompetent) not real capitalism or free market / open competition. Corporatism is what we have right now.
Capitalism can lead to monopolies but competition balances it out and will constantly shift over to the next best depending on the market. A smart and successful capitalist will remain in business even with tough competition. Corporatism is when there is no chance of competition to begin with because the power and influence of the brand is so entrenched with political or economic power that no one can compete, thus meaning that the free market is no longer free and for all intents nonexistent.
Tyler Turner
>Juan Peron >K
Gabriel Kelly
>Capitalism is Usury. Its defining belief is ‘return on investment t. lolbertarian that thinks corporatism is the same thing as capitalism Hang yourself for having the nads to make a thread about economics when you know pissall about it No it is not, monarchism is >Capitalism is bad It literally has built our civilization, it's far from bad
Eli Perry
That tends to happen when the rest of the world and all the global banks declare war on you because you threaten the Jewish capitalists.
"Germany’s most unforgivable crime before the Second World War was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world’s trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit." -Winston Churchill Really makes me think
Angel Jones
Well with the whole world starting to become more Nationalist, maybe it'll work this time. If we don't kill the Jews shadow government we're all gonna end up slaves.
Camden Rodriguez
Are you retarded? The only way they've been able to achieve this usury so well is through a gradual undermining of capitalism itself. Why do you think the power of the federal government has grown so much, taxes have skyrocketed, and regulations have grown 100-fold in the last century? Banking is a disease and should be made illegal, yes, but their usury has gone FAR further than banking alone could ever get them.
Gabriel Green
>The free market is superior to socialism. Right now we run under a majority socialist system (force taxes to subsidize everyone who's incompetent) not real capitalism or free market / open competition. Corporatism is what we have right now.
define corporatism
also, do you know anything about social contract theory?
Ethan Cooper
That is a moral problem not an economic one. With western religion being systematically destroyed by (((them))) such decadence and idolatry are inevitable. The same would happen in any society without god be it totalitarian or not
Ethan Harris
>Yay Capitalism!
James Garcia
Pic related, also nationalism.
Adam Carter
No you daft cunt we are very capitalistic your retarded economic jew money worshiping shit got you here
Socalism defernition
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
The state does not own the means of production. NOT SOCIALISM WE LIVE IN A PRETTY LIBERTARIAN AND CAPITALISTIC WORLD RIGHT NOW
Charles Adams
If your economic system is based on invading and pillaging/enslaving other countries what did you expect? Wasn't Lebensraum a thing in Nazi Germany?
Leo Perez
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Jose Campbell
Also nationalism 2
Thomas Turner
Yeah, you can dodge questions but not forever. Fool yourself all you want if you think Germany did the right thing when they had a fully a state controlled economy. Some people are no better than an ant.
Nolan Phillips
Also nationalism 3
Jaxson Jones
Sup Forums is literally the most ridiculous board. You cant get through a single thread without da jewz being blamed for something (most of it actually justifiable) and yet when the most simple connection is made between big business and banking (run by wealthy jews) squeezing out middle class americans for everything that they're worth, lobbying the government to water down any attempts at reform of this corrupt system (through jewish lobbying groups and lawyers), and finally passing the cost onto taxpayers, Sup Forums actually sides with the big corporations and says
>MUH FREE MARKET >YOU'RE ENTITLED >GOLDBERG THE BANKER EARNED HIS MONEY YOU PARASITE >CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE ON 7$ AN HOUR? YOU DESERVE IT FOR BEING A RETARD >MILTON FRIEDMAN, MURRAY ROTHBARD, AND AYN RAND WERE RIGHT (all kikes who wanted no regulations so their tribe could make even more money unfettered)
Do you really think a deregulated free market would stop the Jews and big businesses you dumbfucks? It's already been tried in the 1800s, the 1910s before the great depression, and the 80s-early 2000s. It does NOT work. Do you really think Jew CEOs deserve to make 20 million a year while the goyim in Idaho can't even afford to live and have to resort to shooting up heroin to cope?
Lol at you bluepilled cucks sticking up for the kike bankers and businessmen while claiming to be redpilled on the jew. There's a reason fascism is anti capitalist and the most successful societies used capitalism but with regulation to keep the big business and jews in check
Jacob Peterson
Also nationalism 4
Matthew Bennett
Government = we the people
Government is the people.
In a capitalistic soceity even a mixed economy like almost all deco loped western countries you are free to have a pure socialistic workplace. But it never happens because it's not human nature that's why there's a need for authority gulags and dicatitors with socialism.
Jason Johnson
>implying corporatism is based on invading counties
moral ideology=/=economic system
Xavier Wilson
What even is your question? You said it failed then I replied it failed because the entire world declared war on them. Pretty valid response
>Some people are no better than an ant. Your right but you should work on your engrish. That's why these people need to work for the good of the nation not to be free to be able to degenerate society and fall for commie propaganda.
Dumb mixed Brazilian
>It's human nature to form communism. Yeah and? >It's human nature to throw away the government throw away any morals and fuck over the entirety of your race and culture because a greedy jew told you so. No
Benjamin Rogers
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Levi Jackson
Islam is shit tier. The Amish has everything one up on the sandniggers.
The only solution is Amish. Dumbfuck.
Angel Phillips
And there you have it. Spot on.
Dominic Cruz
typical capitalist
MUH CAPITALISM IS PERFECT SYSTEM EVERYBODY WHO DISAGREES IS A COMMUNIST
Just get the fuck out of here you retard
Eli Gutierrez
>Do you really think a deregulated free market would stop the Jews and big businesses you dumbfucks?
In comes the spam of un fact checked meaningless propaganda that's intended to scare me into believing in an ideology that will take all my freedom away in exchange for the promise of a better life!
Jonathan Hall
FREEDOM
Brody White
I like you huemonkey. You're alright.
Owen Mitchell
A lot of people don't understand what a monopoly actually is what what the issues of it are. Pretend it's the olden days again and a small townman has the best shoe shining service and puts all the competitors out of business than he has earned that right and the consumers themselves have spoken. If he has such good service is profits are good enough to buy out his competitors he is taking a financial risk but he has the freedom to buy and competitors have the freedom to sell if it makes financial sense to them. Through out history this hasn't even happened much without government intervention because people don't want to sell their businesses or take the risk of buying out competitors. Now if a rich man owns a shoe shining service that is lousy but he wants to buy out all competition to corner the market anyhow because he is rich 1. It has to have a financially viable incentive which would entail having a damn good business model even making it worth the headache and risk of buying out all competitors and having to have costumers that actually used your service. 2. The freedom of any person having the opportunity at anytime to start a shoe shining business of their own with a goal of better quality service and not selling out. 3. A person shining their own shoes because they don't want to pay for bad quality. The problem arrives when an entity arrives that forces others out of business or produces regulations only the rich man can uphold. Or an entity forcing people out of their homes so he can build a bigger parking lot or an entity forcing people to pay for the interstate roads that lead to his business would give him more of an advantage.
Blake Sanchez
Sheep fucker, its defining belief is the free exchange of goods by mutual consent of at least two parties.
No coercion from either parties involved or an external party. Faggot.
Jonathan Rogers
Actually the essence of socialism is government intervention in economic matters.
Easton Rogers
many americans borderline worship capitalism and democracy. i wonder why (protip: it's because of the jews)
Michael Torres
I stated that the problem of the current central banking system is the high inflation with paper money backed my nothing, you dodge saying that it is backed by "military and oil", which doesn't makes sense, implying any exchange can be considered capitalistic at the barter level ignoring the pointed out problem of inflation. You are not being very logical in this discussion and ignoring what socialism and alike ideologies have done.
Josiah Davis
First of all I'm Australian not a kiwi you stupid amerifat.
Secondly that is not Capitalism, virtually every system in history has had in some way what you described as part of It's system with the exception of Communism. Capitalism is "an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state". That is exactly what It is, your bank, your media, your resources everything you need to have a society are controlled by private corporations and who are all of these private owners of these corporations? Jews.
Owen Cooper
You've left no alternative, really. It's either communism or capitalism. Socialism is just communism that hasn't gotten rid of capitalism yet.
Christian Thomas
Corporatism
Owen Nelson
Hitler created a better system.
Jordan Green
But isn't it still using money, ie capital communism ideal wouldn't use cash
Lucas Peterson
> Sounds like confused and incoherent bullshit to me