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Thomas Phillips
Raico on what happened to the word "liberal" in the anglophone world and why.
>In Anglophone countries, those who anywhere else would be straightforwardly identified as social democrats or democratic socialists shy away from acknowledging their proper name. It is hard to avoid the conclusion that this is essentially a matter of political expediency. For some reason, labels suggestive of socialism have not been popular in countries of English heritage (cf. Gottfried 1999: 9).
>This stark political fact was clear to Edward Bellamy, author of the socialist classic, Looking Backward. In 1888, in a letter to William Dean Howells, Bellamy weighed what to call his doctrine. He rejected the term, “socialist.” That was a word he “never could well stomach,” since it is foreign “in itself and equally foreign in all its suggestions.” “Whatever German and French reformers may choose to call themselves, socialist is not a good name for a party to succeed with in America,” he confided to Howells (Schiffman 1958: 370–71). Bellamy chose instead the name “nationalist.” Others, on similar grounds, have preferred the label “liberal.”
>The social democratic commandeering of liberal met with great success, leading some laissez-faire liberals to incline towards describing themselves as individualists (Raico 1997). Amusingly, the next step was for socialists like John Dewey to try to capture that term as well. It turned out, according to Dewey, that there was an old individualism before the age of great corporations and modern social science; that kind must now be replaced by a new individualism (Dewey 1930). One product of this “new individualism” would be “a coordinating and directive council in which captains of industry and finance would meet with representatives of labor and public officials to plan the regulation” of the economy.
Joseph Cox
Is it acceptable to bash in someone's skull who is advocating a system that will do violence to you?
William Barnes
>no canadian libertarian/AnCap boifriendo
Joshua Cooper
You could get blood on you. It's better to chuck them from a helicopter at 50,000 feet in the air.
Samuel Howard
FREE
MARKET
DEATH
SQUADS
Nathan Bailey
>RAICO LECTURES: This guy was pretty based. He's dead now though.
Owen Bell
Yes
Angel Wright
You can have muh dick instead tbqh senpai. Purest teutonic blood.
Hudson Johnson
He's pretty important because he's the one that can really convey how important history is in ideological warfare. Stories are easy to retain and end up forming the background knowledge against which people evaluate new propositions.
Popular history is the reason people are generally anti-white, as the only thing they end up thinking about when they think of "white people" as a collective identity is "historical crimes". Likewise for capitalism.
Plus, Raico really broadens your intellectual horizon beyond praxeology and natural law into the realm of historical facts. I think he's really important. (Rothbard also does this in his "Austrian perspective on the history of economic thought" but this is not his most widely read work, since it's a fucking two volume behemoth that concerns itself with thinkers that don't seem relevant today. Yet it's one of the best thing I've read.)
Christian Ortiz
I am only top, m8. You have a gud white ass?
Asher Ortiz
Have you guys invested a lot in bitcoin?
Jacob Hall
Yes, one of the best things I've ever done in my life.
Yes, and you can really save a lot using bitcoin card, like xapo, instead bank system
Parker Torres
Please stop.
John Russell
correct! which is why we must murder all capitalists
Easton Evans
Thanks for openly advocating violence towards us. The NAP Gods will now be satisfied when we kill you.
Levi Cruz
bumping for liberty, so to speak
Adam Russell
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Austin Jackson
How do I become a better capitalist?
Carter Bailey
Kinsella reading list when?
Xavier Butler
You mean you wanna /biz/?
Alexander Ortiz
Hello everyone, I've been studying libertarian right for a while and I have some doubts. First, since government should control the market, how do you make sure that companies aren't damaging the environment or exploring people? And how do you stop polution? Second, do you really think that school should be private? That's doesn't really make sense.
Connor Bennett
Also, is Anarchy, State, and Utopia worth a read?
Zachary Allen
>Second, do you really think that school should be private? That's doesn't really make sense.
I understand the point about the environment, but I'm not sure about this one. Care to elaborate?
>Second, do you really think that school should be private? That's doesn't really make sense. Private schools across the world are already better than state schooling. The one-size-fits-all approach the state uses is a disaster. Wouldn't you agree that personalized systems of education tailored to the need of the individual are better? After all, schools are not exempt from the normal rules: competition drives a better product for cheaper.
Samuel Murphy
>Today What the fuck happened?
Matthew Williams
You got redpilled. Post spekrs?
Kevin Anderson
am i cucked, brehs
Ian Adams
Am I violating the NAP if I run over protesters?
William Ortiz
I think that since education is a very important thing for a intelligent society, it should be advocated by government so we can ensure that everyone gets it, and gets it the same way. With private schools, people will get different educations and learn different things and in my opinion this can be bad because some schools may choose to not teach certain things.
Thanks for the info, appreciate it!
Pic related, some weeks ago I was deep in the left side.
Ryan Rivera
Do they have permission to be on that privately owned road? >some schools may choose to not teach certain things. Then send your kids to a different school? Maybe I'm just biased because I did go through a public school system but it's absolutely fucking garbage. School choice and private schools are the way to go.
Hudson Roberts
Hm you convinced me. Last question: what if I decide to buy some property and start to pollute it? You can't prosecute me since it is my property.
Jose Fisher
Presumably, there will be certain constraint on what parent will end up teaching their children, for the simple reason that, in a free market where people cannot force other to subsidize their way of life, the only way to earn a living will be to sell your services or property on the free market. Therefore, by giving a sub par education to your children, you will more or less insure his death or his life in poverty.
Furthermore, the lack of uniformity in school curriculum is precisely what will allow competition and the emergence of a superior teaching strategies or strategies which better suit the tastes of certain parents. Further, there are many goods in society which are extremely important and who are no supported by the state. There is no a priori reason to believe that education would somehow not be provided for in the market considering all that it does provide at the moment.
As some other user as stated, the fact that one school does not teach certain thing would not matter too much provided that, as a parent, you have the choice to send your kid to a school that does teach those things you want. I fully expect that, under a free market school system, some school would specialize in sport, some other in engineering, some other in liberal knowledge, some would have this or that teaching approach, some would be high tech, some low tech, some would be male only, some other girl only, some other mixed, etc.
Anthony Turner
Go ahead and ruin your property if you want m8, just make sure there's no runoff onto mine.
Wyatt Perry
Great, another Portuguese here.
>First, since government should control the market, how do you make sure that companies aren't damaging the environment or exploring people? I suppose you meant the government shouldn't control the market. Two things: there's a distinction between minarchists and anarcho-capitalists. If you're a minarchist, you believe in the existence of a state, and one of the core functions of the state would be to enforce property rights and contracts (providing justice and collective security, etc.), which also include minimum regulations when it comes to safety and standards. If you're an anarcho-capitalist like most of us here (which is why half the time the thread derails into bootlickers saying over and over again "But how would you prevent X?") you would advocate for the state—a territorial monopolist of ultimate decision-making and taxation—to be abolished and replaced with freely-financed insurance and defense providers. Law and defense would become just like any other market good.
So, whatever side you end up on: property rights would dictate how corporations handle the environment. If a corporation installed a factory next to a town and the smoke coming out of the factory damaged the property of the townsfolk (including their own bodies through the respiratory system), those people would be able to sue the company in court, since they had been there previously and their properties were damaged by the activity. This is one example, there are many others, but to generalize you must apply property rights to all conceivable scenarios. That's how pollution would be curtailed and minimized.
>Second, do you really think that school should be private? That's doesn't really make sense. State involvement in the schooling system is un-libertarian. Minarchists don't consider education to be a core function of government, and AnCaps believe any compulsory, i.e. public, state apparatus is coercive and aggressive.
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James Sanders
I fucking hate public schools as a survivor of one, last thing you want is the government propagandizing your children.
Levi Gray
>Second, do you really think that school should be private? That's doesn't really make sense. Even the poor have iphones and wifi is everywhere. You have access to all of human knowledge at McDonalds, thus all that is required to learn something is the will to do so. The only function public schooling serves that a library doesn't is daycare and indoctrination.
Hunter Perry
>which also include minimum regulations when it comes to safety and standards
I doubt that. The enforcement of contract does not imply any kind of guarantees concerning safety and standards, unless this was implied in the contract.
Jace Murphy
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Aaron Gonzalez
bump , so to speak
Joseph Hill
Bitch you need to translate the complete work of Eugen Richter.
pic related is capitalist essential reading I guess. That's what I like about this, it blends so easy into understanding how to make money as well. It's productive.
Leo Williams
Yeah. And I need to translate the totality of the writings of the "Journal des économistes".
Asher Cook
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State-run schools also suffer from the same problem as any other government-funded institution: they do not operate based on market signals. Ludwig von Mises made the argument (and won; socialists abandoned economic calculation after he pwned them) that socialism, i.e. government control, makes economic calculation impossible. Since there is no private property and prices are fixed instead of ever-changing due to market demands, all state services and provisions tend to be either over-produced or under-produced. (And resources are also mismanaged from one location to the other.) In the case of schools, government-controlled education creates artificial price signals for producing education. Since public schools are price-fixed, i.e. the real cost of education is kept lower than it actually is, we end up with poorer schools and less quality (overcrowding, over-usage, decrepit areas in need of restoration).
When it comes to what is taught, schools also don't meet market demands. Government bureaucrats collectively decide what is taught and what isn't, and effectively monopolize knowledge (which is why schools everywhere are leftist shit holes teaching us the state is everything and socialism is glorious).
If schools were 100% privatized (no state sponsoring or charter bullshit, genuine private investments) then our kids would be taught practical and in-demand ideas. They wouldn't be taught SJW bullshit or feminist lesbian theory, or any of those "anomalies," they'd be taught management, economics, pure math, music, architecture, etc. Just like there is a free market in everything else, there'd be a free market in what is taught, and good schools with cheap prices would out compete all others.
Since leftism is a cancer and the prospects of expanding state power through votes would not exist under minarchism/AnCap, leftist/authoritarian thought wouldn't survive in the market.
Austin Allen
Safety and standards are just as attractive as high wages and employer benefits, companies would have high standards and safety in order to attract investment and human capital.
David Phillips
Gonna save this, so to speak
Dominic Hernandez
That's some good explanation right here! Thanks for your time, now I am ready to shill other portubros into libertarianism. Also, check out the works of Carlos Novais Gonçalves, I think you might be interested.
Oliver James
Thanks! Also, >implying I don't have a copy of Manifesto Anti-Keynes in my right-wing libertarian reactionary bookshelf.
Christopher Ward
Correct, but it would not be the role of the government to set some standards and then make sure companies that do not comply with said standard get fined or have their officers jailed.
Under minarchism, you could sue a company for having failed to provide proper safety, but the government would not be in the business of prevention.
Justin Morris
i don't think my English skills are good enough to translate it well and in a way that the resulting text would be interesting to read
Jaxon Hill
Based portugalbro enlightens us again, so to speak
Blake White
Pay tax, Macaron. :^)
Ian Rivera
Hello. Mom and dad never loved me during my growth years so I need to exert my problems onto other human beings by advocating for violence of the idea we call "the government", but I care about people.
I care about roads so much, that I'm going to completely ignore that a group of dark occult, child raping, baby eating, blood drinking, satanic, psychopathic, elite group of men that run the world and its politics through blackmail, murder, and drugs. Besides, current system does such a great job of taking care of them anyway.
Ancaps btfo!
Dominic Ward
>AntiComm You know that's probably a tranny right?
Asher Jones
Oh, if the companies set the standards in their contracts and breached them by not delivering, then absolutely the minarchist government would get involved to exact compensation for the victim. But yes, I do not believe the government would be in the business of prevention, since it could not get involved the types of voluntary contracts people do with each other.
Thank you Mad Max, so to speak insofar as.
Asher Morris
>Libertarians
Hunter Bennett
>natsoc
Tyler Rogers
>bootlickers
Caleb Nelson
see mama dada neva luvd me :( gibs me protection dada gubment! gibs me helfcare mama gubment!
grow up subhuman
Kevin Nelson
>not being a horse riding, ak-47 wielding, mobile crystal meth merchant
Get on our level.
Jayden Flores
>ancap queers will never know what true glory is I almost feel bad for you
Parker Wright
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Connor Brooks
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Ryder James
Next: The Revolutionary (for 1776ers)
Bentley Fisher
S U C C
William Butler
>worshiping a leader instead of a system
Sad.
John Adams
oh my. is there more?
You could have your own private fascist society if you wanted to, just don't force it down other people's throats. If it makes you feel better, Hoppe said Italy was better under Mussolini than it was during democracy.
Jason Howard
there will be more.
Adam Edwards
Nice.
James Rogers
guys, if the government doesn't exist who will regulate the nail manufacturing industry? how do i know my house won't just collapse because the nails are just made out of silly putty?
clearly ancap ideologically is wrong and the fact its wrong justifies the soviets starving millions of farmers and communism is perfectly okay so ancaps btfo!!
Ryder Cruz
I value the opinion of a squirrel above that of hoppe
Carson Sullivan
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Austin Scott
just clear up some minor autism things: >(so to speak) after the comma should be before
>one way needs to be one-way >iron fisted is iron-fisted >needs a full stop at the end
Either way, I love these man. Great OC.
Elijah Cook
if the welfare state doesn't exist, who will subsidize shaneeqa's niglets and juan's tomato babies?
i mean we can't have TOO many white people living happily and healthily. this is ridiculous.
Aaron Walker
I hope you're not afraid of heights then :^)
Jason Russell
can confirm. Children are held hostage against their will. It was hell. The scary part is that some of them know this.
>little sister in grade school asks me what taxes are while reading a grocery receipt out of curiosity (kids are weird) >give her a bluepill response about the social contract and how it gives us stuff in return because I don't want her to question things too much and get into trouble >"so we HAVE to pay it? what a meanie"
At an intuitive, foundational level, kids can grasp that something is forcing them to do X. Kids hate being forced to do anything, it's just that we punish them into being submissive little drones that as adults they're now helpless and can't think for themselves. "Fatherland/motherland", the state as a parental figure is obvious.
My younger brother loathes high school (when they're most rebellious to be broken), and whenever I ask him why do kids have to go to skool, he just tells it straight: "cus we have to. Fuck it I just want to go home and play video games." Intellectual curiosity is replaced with hooking them into coping mechanisms to put up with what they know is bullshit that just gets numbed into acceptance over time. As adults we're free and to the few that look back and enjoyed it, they just think kids are being silly and don't know any better so they push for more daycare.
It's crazy, really. It's a factory out there and they turn people into robots.
Isaac Gonzalez
wtf I hate anarcho capitalism now
Carter Sullivan
>dad never loved me so i need the state to emulate a patriarchal form of protection to fulfill myself
every time
if you drink alcohol you are subhuman garbage. the penalties in a libertarian society would be MUCH harsher than now.
Levi Davis
Stop appropriating authoritarian culture
Kayden Brooks
upcoming Euro elections feel bad gentlemen
Chase Sanchez
Debated gun control Again And a nigress told me that I advocated for murder kek
Julian Brooks
Stop appropriating private property.
Anthony Reyes
Negros
Jace Myers
What now? The economically inept retards thread you say? We need to take steps to prevent its death, and show the whole world the brilliance that is right libertarianism.
Anthony Foster
kek i should have you edit my text before i make the image how am i doing now?
David Kelly
would be considered subhuman and not of valid opinion in a libertarian society. Their neo cortex isn't fully functioning in most cases and have lowe IQs.
