Who is ultimatly responsible for the crisis ?
Big pharma so kikes as usual
Jesus for painlessly putting these poor souls out of their misery.
Mexican drug cartels have been cutting heroin with fentanyl for a few years now. Before this, pharmaceutical fentanyl became popular among opiate addicts in the early 2000s in the USA.
So basically the US government is completely responsible.
I don't care, as long as it gets rid of worthless junkies.
The dipshits that willingly start using opiates
It's purely on China, you can't blame Trudeau for this.
When I bought a few thousand dollars in steroid raws out of china it came like this, as a "detergent"
Now imagine how many thousands upon thousands of pieces of mail go through our ports every hour from around the world.. you can't check them all.
Carfentanyl is so powerful in such a small amount that smuggling enough through the mail system into Canada to make a hundred thousand fake oxys would take nothing but a small parcel.
It's impossible to stop here it needs to be stopped in Chinkland.
If homeless people take this they'll die and stop shooting up in public playgrounds
The fentanyl that the cartel uses might come from China. Pharmaceutical engineers there sell massive quantities of fentanyl at extremely low prices to anyone who wants it.
Back in the day you could buy kilograms of this shit for regular dude money on the silkroad
play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Delicious, what did you brew?
Ive been thinking about getting raws but dunno if its worth it. Local sources have been good to me.
There is no ultimate responsibility.
It's a perfect storm of the following-
1. American docs prescribing drugs over surgery to correct pain
2. Drug war pushing the price of heroin up, which in turn leads to cutting with fentanyl to keep prices down
3. The US is 99% weak-willed pansies now. Coddled as children, we can't take what life tosses at us, and feel the need to "kill the pain"
China is trying to purchase the ports of many major cities around the world to make it even easier to import/export contraband, human slaves, etc.
And it's not just importing drugs and shit. It will result in mass kidnapping and export of western citizens to be used as slaves, entertainment, and food for the Chinese ruling class.
As they keep telling us: "its a brave new world".
I'd say you're mostly accurate, but have you actually met many addicts? Sure, about half of them are just terminal shit heads, but the other half are typically those that have been dealt a bad hand's bad hand. Considering how big the world has become, the individual matters even less, and the odds have become increasingly stacked against the poor as well.
Empathy for the dregs of society isn't even something terribly important, but it is something worth considering.
100ml of 250mg/ml test E, 500ml of 150mg/ml Tren ace, 500ml of 150mg/ml mast prop
You could argue that other sources will just feed the demand but ultimately China produces most of the crazy designer drugs that have been coming out lately. Some of these new drugs are really deadly I mean there are fentanyl analogues that are even more dan
gerous than the OG stuff
Chinese people create fake rice, they bulked up baby formula with construction materials...
Chinese people are the turboniggers of the world. They're the turbojew, they'll literally sell you poison for pennies.
They're the worst of every culture you can imagine rolled into one animal. They are the final boss of life.
but the other half are typically those that have been dealt a bad hand's bad hand.
To hell with the excuses. I've been dealt constant bad hands and I always find/found a way to come out in one piece.
My drugs of choice are stimulants and occasionally psychedelics. If you must use drugs, use drugs that kick your ass
Modern man faces two main opponents. Ego and boredom. Keep your ego in check and keep yourself busy.
And if a doctor EVER Rx's you an opioid, threaten to cut off his nads and feed them to him by force.
Fair points, just keep in mind that drugs like amphetamines tend to kill one's empathetic understanding. I know because I use them a fair amount as well.
Obviously it's prohibition. If heroin and other traditional narcotics weren't so heavily proscribed these doorknobs wouldn't be injecting fentanyl, they'd be doing old school smack and not dying as much.
my problems are just as bad as everyone else's and I turned out fine
I love drugs
just keep in mind that drugs like amphetamines tend to kill one's empathetic understanding.
I know. I'm an orgo chemist with pharma training as part of the package.
I'll be buying some a-PHP this week. I'm due for some batshittery. To really understand this world, you gotta get nuts once in a while. The trick is coming back to sanity.
"In comparison to its predecessor (α-PVP), this compound has been reported as inducing considerably less anxiety, uncomfortable side effects, euphoria, psychosis and having a slightly easier comedown as well as a ceiling dose that may render it less harmful to the user. "
Sounds like a cautiously worded pharma disclaimer on a TV ad. LIke '..considerably less internal bleeding'. Lovely.
I could use some right now
my ulnar nerve is jammed and my wits is giving me a tastes of the Crucifixion of Christ.
just downed a 7.5 200 hydro/prophen
Generally speaking for stimulants that have qualities similar to amphetamines, you really do have to take heroic doses in order to get the nasty side effects.
drug addict FAGGOTS.
But they're not equal as far as 'unpleasant' side effects though. Like methcathinone (sp?) is supposed to have a rough edge. And with meth isn't there a levo and a dextro rotatory version with different feels to each?
Don't kid yourself. a-PHP is lighter than a-PVP, but it's still a monster. I never recommend it to normal people. Hell those idiots can't even handle their meth. And PVs make meth look like a strong coffee.
Thankfully, PVs are really only to be found on the interwebs now, which helps keep morons from getting them.
I've done all sorts of various shit, including IV DMT. A week awake on a-PVP or a-PHP makes anything else seem quaint in comparison.
And with meth isn't there a levo and a dextro rotatory version with different feels to each?
Yes. In fact, levomethamphetamine is sold OTC as a nasal decongestant here in the US because it has almost no effect on dopamine release. It's almost completely norepinephrine-targeting.
Opium War 2: Fentanyr Boogaroo.
Why you make me rive Father Canada-san?
I am not rike other White boys!
You're definitely an aficionado. I have no affinity for stimulants. I tried here and there, they rub me the wrong way.
Weird, I thought that was ancient history at this point.
Several parties at once
Chinese for manufacturing it
Dealers for spiking pills and heroin with it to try and save a little money
Doctors for overprescribing opioids and not following up with patients very thoroughly
The US Federal government for not making other alternatives for pharmacological pain relief therapy available like medical cannabis or kratom
Big pharma for pushing opioids with advertisements and seminars to "educate" doctors to encourage their prescription, lobbying politicians to prevent alternatives like medical cannabis and kratom
and last but not least, the users for not getting help with stopping their opioid habit and instead chasing the dragon.
No one group of people is responsible in full, it's a systemic problem and blame is shared at many levels.
If you want to ascribe blame, or responsibility, I'd say it's solely on the people who are consuming it. Don't we have free will in this cosmos?
reoccurring digits three times in a row, and K3K for an ID, phew lad
they need to be blamed or responsible? maybe putting too much of something that will kill you to make an extra buck is fucked up. If it was a mistake it was a mistake.
You're definitely an aficionado.
Good way to put it.
I grew up pretty open range, living in rural country and having various roughs and tumbles sent my way. So the demons that come out to play in stim psychosis don't really scare me or cause paranoia. The shadow people, who are really just thoughts and inner demons people lock up in their heads that are freed under the influence of stimulants, often become the only things I talk to for hours on end.
Being forced into a very surreal and potentially frightening place to face one's inner demons can be very rewarding, if one has the mental ability to handle that level of batshit.
The societal restructuring that took place during Mao's "great leap forward" has purged all sense of morals and ethics from Chinese people almost entirely. Combine that with the reforms from the 1970's when Nixon normalized relations with them, and the taste of capitalism that took place as they regained control of Hong Kong but left its capitalist market economy in place.
In essence it's a nightmare. Unbridled capitalism free of the restraints of ethical behavior. Bottom line is all that matters, no matter how dangerous your product is, if it makes money it's all good.
Even though China is a socialist country in many ways still, the way they're handling capitalism without any morality or ethics in their culture is a shocking look at what ancap can become.
Opioids DO have their place. It's just they're overused. They're not a good chronic pain medication for a multitude of reasons but sometimes they're the only pharmacological option strong enough.
Also for post surgical.. they just need to cut down on how long they prescribe the things for, but they are useful for that.
In a perfect world opioids would ONLY be used for Emergency treatment of pain due to trauma, post op pain management for at MOST 2 weeks, the shorter term the better, and hospice care where it no longer matters and you just give them whatever makes them comfortable.
Unbridled capitalism free of the restraints of ethical behavior.
They ban more drugs than we do.
In fact, China banned a bunch of RCs in 2015 which put a huge damper on the market.
The government for making safer opiates and opiods illegal
A man just needs to up and refuse to take them.
That's what I have done. And if some shit-eating doctor ever tries to prescribe me an opioid scrip, we're going to go round and round.
an addict kind of doesn't have free will. Dope sick is just that bad. That's why methadone clinics are a thing, people can't handle the withdrawals trying to go cold turkey.
as for how they got hooked, I think a lot of it is from being on prescription opioids for too damn long, and that's not on the patient that's on the doctor, it's on the patient that they didn't seek help.
I'll never know. There are two kind of people. I'm the kind that gets wrongly rubbed. I've known both kinds. Some people thrive.
Ok, but in a black market, and especially in a black market that includes fentanyl, you have to calculate with the idea of adulteration or a fake product in mind. Anyway, it's not poison, it would typically be wrongly dosed. But yeah, buy drugs, get an overdose, but you're already playing russian roulette.
t. someone who's never been in legit severe pain
You still can, just go to Chinatown in SF and the triad will hook you up
The media. Self created crisis. I dont see any alcohol, gun violence, or heart failure crisis going on do you?
they only ban those when the US pressures them to because we're the market for them, not China itself.
will hook you up
yah .. to a car battery by your gonads...
The individuals who buy and take these drugs are responsible
Aside from appendicitis as a kid, you're right.
Funny thing that. If you're careful and pay attention to your fuckdamn surroundings, you likely won't have an injury causing pain. And stop lifting with your back. Lift with your legs.
If my luck runs bad and I do get injured, the injury will be repaired. Not treated with drugs. That's expensive, but I've put away money for just such an emergency.
if you're legitimately in a lot of pain, post op or the like, and a doctor prescribes you pain pills, you're saying "don't take them"?
Now if the pain is not severe enough and an OTC is enough for it, or it stops being painful before you run out, don't just take them to take them.
But if legitimately in pain and you need them.. take them as prescribed... doctors just need to follow up more with them.
The VA now does toxicology screens on all veterans receiving opioid medications regularly, they also track your prescriptions and how often you refill. It's a start at least.
Ultimately? The Jew of course. Practically? China, blacks, and yes the white men who fall for Jewish tricks.
Those of us with longer memories remember when niggers would swear on their mama's graves that the CIA invented crack to destroy the African-American community, as if they needed any help.
Complete bullshit, which would have been forgotten had the House Negro not believed it and decided to get revenge.
Obama had federal law enforcement turn a blind eye to importation of opioids from China, the better to kill off white people thought surplus to requirements, or at any rate keep them too drug-addled to vote Republican.
It didn't work fast enough to elect Hillary.
an addict kind of doesn't have free will
When people are no longer able to care for themselves, say due to declining mentally, the state may step in, make some accommodation, power of attorney, hospitalize them whatever. If enough people believe that addicts don't have free will, and a lot of liberal thinking seems to suggest that, then we ought to be able to round them all up and do with them as we see fit. After all, they're not responsible for their own actions by that argument. Let's put them in labour camps.
The injury being repaired generally requires medications afterward during the recovery period.
If you've just had a bunch of tools in your body and been cut open, it hurts for awhile until it heals. it can hurt so much you can't do normal daily activities or even sleep, that's where Opioids can be warranted.
the chinese taking revenge for the opium wars, but still its your choice if you want to die. kek
Baby boomers for creating a new generation of dope fiends and bringing in a second gold age of heroin use and the Chinese producers who pump this shit out at industrial levels
There's no excuse anymore when information about drug abuse is readily available
Like the ones doctors tell you to take for pain? Most people listen to docs 100%
put dope sick people in labor camps
Not going to help, they're sick, they require treatment.
As far as being able to round up addicts and force them into treatment to quit? We already try, we do need to do more though, the treatment of addiction as a public health issue rather than a law enforcement issue is generally better.
Doctors tell you to take them and then you get stuck on them, physically. Trump is actually increasing mandate for doctors to warn patients about things like this
From what I gather it started in Florida, with doctors prescribing painkillers for tiny shit like general soreness, because of big pharma incentivisng the doctors to do so. People would drive from all over the country to get prescriptions. Eventually the government caught on and cracked down on the industry, but by that stage everyone was hooked, with a lot of them turning towards heroin. At the same time the pharmaceutical industry developed this new drug, fentanyl. So dealers, with a new and wide open market, started cutting the two together to make it last longer. This resulted in former endone addicts (oxy) overdosing on this new combo. The big issue with these people trying the new cut is that their tolerance for the opiates will have gone down since not having painkillers (people rarely run out of a drug and immediately locate a new one) and they never had a tolerance for the new cut in the first place.
Doctors tell me to drink water too, but not to the point I kill myself.
you're saying "don't take them"?
I didn't say that. The addiction by accident myth is mostly just that. Dependence takes a while. Usually a fair bit of effort too. I've known many addicts. Only one that I can think of claimed to have gotten his habit from prescribed drugs, and he was full of shit. He was prescribed drugs, yes, he was also hanging out with a crew of dope fiends, and little surprise that continued on deeper into his new pastimes.
If you blindly take whatever a retarded GP tells you without doing any research for yourself you deserve whatever happens
Its pakistani intelligence doing a slow jihad on us through the smuggling of heroine through batmati rice bags using doc in the box clinics and convenience stores and rice importers as fronts.
See George Webbs youtube series.
sick people in labor camps
I know, probably not feasible. Still it's a nice thought. They'd get treatment. Cannabis, massage, a minimal amount of anxiety stuff initially, very minimal. Lots of fresh air. Physical work. I wouldn't say they're sick, more of a malaise.
it's not a myth, it's a major cause of the crisis and the reason why the victims are increasingly white suburban, and middle class instead of poor minorities in inner cities that willingly start due to peer pressure that are the traditional victims of drug addiction.
The average Opioid overdose death case study is a white male, mid 30's, diagnosis of degenerative arthritis or back pain, time from first prescription to overdose death 2 years.
holy shit you are one tough cookie. color me impressed by your sheer manliness shown ITT
Canada was a mistake.
It'll never stop, it's human nature. The best we can do is slow it down to the minimum. Prohibitionist laws do not work, they create black markets and cause the forbidden fruit aspect. Truthful education and a healthy economy are the best remedy for drugs. If people know the evils and have better things to do...
Not round here. I just plain don't buy that anyway.
Fuck you. I have interstitial cystitis. There is no cure. The only thing that helps is opiates. I've been on them for 15 years. They help me live a normal life. But now with all these fucking losers the docs want to reduce my shit all the time and its a constant battle.
I could CARE LESS if 10000 people overdose every day. Fuck them.
These medications help people.
Its like banning cars because people die in car accidents.
The users of drugs
Put shit in your body you bought from scabby Steve on the corner? You take the consequences of it
That's why drugs are shit... Too much risk for a short term high. Call me lame all you like but I don't want my taxes paying for government to bail your ass out of an OD situation
Then I'll suffer. Short term pain is preferable to the risks of opioids.
That ain't manly. That's normal. It's not my fault you and 90% of this country are wimps. We didn't used to be like this.
That sucks. You must wince every time you see this bullshit in the news.
The Faggot has every incentive to look the other way, never fear.
Chinese oligarchs get rich
Drug money flows into Liberal coffers through VanBC and TO real estate market
Potential Conservative voters die like flies
Disagree. I have done H amd all sorts of drugs amd I have enough will power not to continue. If anything, cigarettes is harder to quit.
no shit you "aint" manly. you just sound like a cringey teenager
7 years ago everyone was on pills, some doctors were strict about it and some pharmacists with a stick up their ass would keep an eye on who was taking too much. now all of a sudden there's a crisis. something changed. either the US is such a shit hole we'd all rather be high than deal with life or nothing changed with the people using and the gov just wants us all to be in pain or die.
Get raped faggot. You belong in a garbage bag.
I hate the car analogy. You need a license and training to drive a car. It takes effort to use it. Anyone can take a drug without any certification. We can hold people accountable if they fuck up with their car and kill someone. Drug deaths have a faceless killer. It's so different
You have a shit situation though. Sorry to hear it
Degenerate junkies dying is hardly a crisis.
Oh, yeah, it's (((China))) alright.
Man the fuck up and get a neobladder made if it's that bad you need to grovel for opiates. They're a shit choice for IC and any other neurogenic condition anyway. You're a junky. Go on Gabapentin and sweat the monkey off your back. Bitch ass disease.
Who is ultimatly responsible for the crisis ?
Junkie losers are. Should replace nalaxone injections with cyanide.
Drug deaths have a faceless killer.
Who's the one who was stupid and OD'd? That's your face. There is no excuse for slacking off and getting hurt/killed.
Btw does anyone have a map, wherein showing the number of fentanyl caused deaths corresponding to geographic location.
From the way a lot of you talk it sounds like Scientology is right up your alley.
Lol at you thinking this is a crisis. In 2013, only 700 people in Ohio OD. Ohio's population is 11.6 million.
Why are you tards panicking?
it is a crisis when it's white, suburban, middle class people and its preventable.
Fuck off faggot.
Fucking crybaby spoiled millennial trash.
This is a drop in the bucket you fear mongering turd.
If it was 10% of the population, then I would label this a crisis.
Are they putting fentanyl in oc80s now? I used to wash the coating off those and grind them on a radiator clamp and snort them like 8 years ago.
Insis tech, the company that produces fentanyl was found to be bribing doctors to prescribe it in abundance to patients that don't need it. Only two doctors were charged but the company received no penalty. Years ago they were found to be doing the same thing. Other opioid producers encourage doctors to run essentially pill mills out of their clinics. The industry is part of the reason why this stuff is circulating everywhere
The other reason is that our military contractors actually stopped the taliban from burning down the afghan ppppy fields - the massive increase in opiate and heroin abuse coincides with our "intervention" and securing/patrolling of the poppy production
Gotta agree here. All the middle-class/rich faggots living in suburbs/cities are freaking because their spoiled rotten sissy children are committing sudoku because WHEN REAL LIFE STARTS YOU DON'T GET A PARTICIPATION TROPHY.
Yes, they're putting them in a lot of illicit pills. Prince died from fentanyl spiked percosets (which is the same thing as Oxycontins just without the extended release coating and in a smaller dose), other people have died after being sold what they thought were Norcos (same thing as Vicodin)
In Prince's case he got hooked on them after he had hip replacement surgery. He'd been using a cane to get around but was still performing shows.
My ex girlfriend had a fent problem
She got through it, but towards the end of our relationship started doing shrooms and acid and fucked her brain up. I wouldn't doubt she could have gone back by now.
Sometimes i think there is no stopping it. These people will end themsleves and theres nothing we can do about it other than pray, sadly. Its out of our control.
people who sell illegal drugs are ethical and just want to help people
Are you retarded ?
They don't give a fuck about people they care about making more money from the product and spending less on making it/buying it for resell
I knew a guy who got t-boned, one hundred percent not his fault. Fucked his back up, went in for surgery, surgeons fucked up, paralyzed him. Then his wife left him and sued him for alimony. The doctors had him on morphine because of the shards of bone rubbing against his nerves.
Lost his job, his house, and his car.
But it's his fault for being addicted to opioids because he's bored, right?
No, and therefore he should legally be able to buy his opiods. I am sure he has a prescription.
WHAT fentanyl crisis?
people who use drugs are dying
If only someone could poison the alcohol supply...
You'll have surgery on your legs after a drunk driver nails you and breaks your legs with no anesthesia or pain medication while they saw through your leg bones in eight places to put them back together with titanium screws
Please Livestream it if/when it happens
Ultimately remember it's a Marxist plot. Recovered addicts once they realize what it was, will support the final victory. Must always try to recover our loses from this plot. Sieg oder Tod! Praise Kek!
Fentanyl isn't that bad.
who cares, druggies deserve to die
duerte was right
I blame the OP.
Thanks a lot, dick.
getting hit by a large object moving at a relatively slow speed
you are a stupid faggot and nobody believes you or thinks you are smart. stop saying faggot things like this or start being as ashamed of yourself as your ancestors are. go disappoint your parents somewhere else you waste of not-suicide.
Relative to a bullet, maybe.
Stop being retarded and realize that shit happens. A fucking meteor could fall on you in your sleep.
To think that you can escape injury for the rest of your life is just stupidly naive.
Same here man, friends kids got shot at Sandy Hook and died. Never saw the bodies. Never got disclosure. Ended up getting addicted to opiates after his wife won the lottery and left him without a home.
The government. By enforcing its failed war on drugs, the government forces people who want heroin (and will do it regardless of if it is legal or not) into the black market. The black market has no regulation, hence you have dealers cutting heroin with fentanyl. Ironically, eliminating drug prohibition would eliminate the vast majority of problems associated with drug use.
Ever heard of a train, nigger? Shit could be slow crawling down the tracks and still leave you without dental records if you were kissing the rail. Reminds me of my friends ex wife who's daughters died at Sandy Hook. She never saw the bodies. Got no closure. Ended up winning the lottery, getting blacked, and hooked on black tar. Couldn't positively identify her smashed in face on the tracks but her body matched the description
who cares, let them die
Wuss. You just need to ask around and know the right words.
reminder that it's your duty to purchase crack and heroin from darknet and sell it to your local antifa members following the principle of quantity over quality
Ever heard of a train, nigger?
Yeah, and if you're incompetent enough to get hit by one you have no business operating a motor vehicle in the first place.
My friends nephews brother died at Sandy Hook
My grandpas grandson died at Sandy Hook
Hey man, as long as it wasn't fentanyl.
But grandpa overdosed on fentanyl after grandma got ran over by a reindeer after their grandson died at sandy hook
The users are of course responsible for their own actions, so who's ultimately responsible? Communists, for turning our society into the degenerate cesspit it is today, causing mass depression and opiate use.
The other problem is that large chemistry glassware is cheap and available in china. Go to aliexpress and search for "100L glass reactor".
They cost like 2000 usd on aliexpress. Think about how cheap they are in china.
I am in the chemical engineering research space and i have been to many glass works in china. They are everywhere. Anybody in china who wants to make narcotics, or be in the designer narcotics game can easily access the equipment and chemicals that they need.
chinks, and probably the jews just because theyre jews
again, capitalism unleashed from ethics.
as an atheist I have to admit, that this is one of the problems of raising a society as Atheists. They have been taught no moral foundation. When a person has been raised in a religion, any religion... my mom and dad were Pantheists who had made their own spin on the Christianity they'd been brought up with, anyway, raised with a religion that taught them morals, they keep those morals and have better ethics and are better people. Even if they become Atheist as an adult, they'll keep those morals because they make sense because they maintain civilized society.
Now spend a few generations teaching no religion at all, so no logical reason for morals, these people don't learn morals or ethics at all. To them it doesn't make sense to avoid hurting another person, what's that person's value to you? You create a nation of nihilist sociopaths.
Atheists need a way to teach a natural/scientific basis for morals and ethics.
ethics and morals
That's a good point
Who is ultimatly responsible for the crisis ?
The people who use it.
Shockingly exactly nothing makes you go out one night and score hard drugs to squirt into your bloodstream.
And if you are stupid enough to start you should have the responsibility to not be a burden. Opiate users are good drug users for society in as much as they tend to just die.
Ex-Previtin addict here. I still hate commies, niggers, Jews, and SJWs with a passion but speed had me litterly making plans for my own mini genocide.