How did whites lose the Iraq war despite having every conceivable technological advantage

How did whites lose the Iraq war despite having every conceivable technological advantage

cuz u are cucks

simple: america isn't white

The war was won, but that doesn't mean fighting isn't continuing in another form.

SWC

The intention was to cause chaos and instability.

We succeeded.

You know the solution. The final one.

The Iraq war was intended to to remove Saddam from power just like all the other "wars" since to remove their leaders.

Removing these leaders help to ensure the Israeli "Greater Israel" policy can be put into place so as a way to control the middle east.

This is why "Assad must go" is the establishment talking point. Assad is the next leader required to be removed so Israel and the US can control the leaderless Muslim nations.

Israel and its Zionist puppets in the US government believe this is the best and only path forward for the middle east.

Because the modern form of imperial war is to go in, topple the regime and then hand it over to "local allies."

The old form of war was to completely destroy the political system and kill anyone that raised their arm against you.

No war is going to be like the old wars. They're all going to be like this. There's no action you can take to win them because the natives will always hate you but will smile for awhile to use you to destroy their domestic enemies.

The war was actually lost on every level possible. Whites didn't even take the oil for themselves and gave rise to radical elements stronger and more powerful than any other Islamic adversary since the Ottoman Empire

Whites didn't succeed in either subduing their enemies nor handing over power to a stable authority

We wiped their army out in 2 weeks, just took a while to adjust to nigger tactics.

Yes. You're familiar with the troop deployment, yes? That's why I said

> go in
> topple the regime
> then hand it over to "local allies"
> who smile
> and use you to destroy their domestic enemies

This is exactly what al-Maliki did.

Won't this eventually put them into conflict with the Kurds?

Because the locals didn't want to be liberated, and we were unwilling to use harsh enough tactics to pacify them.

why do you keep saying whites?
do you know the percentage of blacks and Mexicans in the armed forces?

did you know we just had a black president for 8 years?

Israel has entered 1 foreign capital since its creation -- Lebanon -- which began a 20 year war after which they abandoned their local allies in a full retreat. You have them entering 3.

Well our k/d was really good. Iraqi's got decimated. As far as the "objective" went, we wouldn't win without killing every Muslim in Iraq, which is exactly what we should have set out to do from Day 1. Muslims are subhuman and we could mop up the entire middle east in a matter of seconds, I would love that.

Except you were never in position to hand over anything because your race never actually controlled Iraq

Why do you believe whites were unable to control Iraq

We won the war, we were unable to govern a race of savages though

Lack of actual intelligence plus a totally incompetent political leadership.

American army stood by as Irakis started looting and murdering and thus ended law and order in the country.
Wonderboy Bremer disbanded the Iraki army even though he had been warned not to and thus started the insurgency.
Bremer put a genocidal sectarian Shia (Al Maliki) into power and backed his mass murders and so ISIS was founded as a self protection group.

Finally Obongo removed all troups that stood between this mess and total chaos and so opened the flood gates that would wash terrorists across the entire globe for decades to come.

In my opinion, Petraeus was the only guy in this war that had any sense at all.

Iraq was the last white war before America became a nonwhite country under Obama

Wars stop being winnable after WW2 because genocide and ethnic cleansing is the only viable solution to guerrilla warfare. You can't win a war against an idea unless you destroy the brains of everyone who holds the idea with a bullet to the back of the head.

>cuz u are cucks
>sweden

For better or for worse, we were never allowed to fight dirty. The American troops had extremely strict rules they had to follow in order to cause minimal civilian casualties. Imagine if in WW2 we couldn't kill Japanese civilians but we were still expected to win the war. We would be fighting Japanese insurgency groups for decades because we could never wage a full on war against them. That's what happened in Iraq.

If you could mop up the middle east so quickly and your KDR is so good how did your race lose the war in Iraq

We defeated their entire army within a few weeks. However, we had no idea that Sunnis and Shiites hated each other so much that they would form death squads and try to kill each other. Phase II of the war was just trying to stop Sunnis from murdering Shiites and vice versa, we almost completely accomplished that until Obama ordered the pullout of American troops and when he left Nouri al-Maliki free to make his own decisions, which ultimately led to Sunni resentment of the Shiite Iraqi government.

>You have them entering 3.
>Implying Israel will not continue to use the US like it has since 9/11 to remove the leaders of its neighbors
wew lad

Israel fighting its own wars and doing its own dirty work!!! HAHAHHAHHAHA

>How did whites lose the Iraq war

It was never about whites winning - it was about Isreal winning, by destabilizing the middle east

Both genocide and ethnic cleansing occurred in huge proportions during the Iraq war and whites still failed to win it

Why do you think this is

That didn't change a bit on the outcome. You wouldn't have had the troops to fight dirty because Rumsfeld had decided that Irak was a technological war and he would send gizmos instead of men.

Can you explain the extremely strict rules of engagement going on here

Because it wasn't the invading army (whites) doing the ethnic cleansing

>The war was actually lost on every level possible.

This is just fucking retarded. If that was true, the Iraqi Army would have repelled the invasion to begin with.

The war was won completely.
The Government and military forces of the government were soundly defeated.
The 10 year occupation is not a "war"
Occupations are not cheap, either the populace or its resources need to be plundered to pay for it. We wuz too "moral" to do that.
European powers didn't station troops on their colonial possessions for nothing, they put down frequent unrest and revolts.
Difference is Europe made money occupying land.

america and the west in general have much weaker militaries than they want you to think

trump
>wanted to oust assad
DENIED
>wanted to oust kim jong-un
DENIED

Can you explain why whites would drop a trillion dollars on a conflict that they weren't prepared to win at any level

Also whites were aiding and abetting the ethnic cleansing in Iraq hoping to take advantage of it but the Iranians were the ones to reap the benefits

Why do you believe whites were unable to reap the benefits of ethnic cleansing

because delta force went in two days before it was announced and killed the commanders, leaving the entire iraqi army (4th largest at the time) without orders, forcing them to drop their uniforms and blend in and continue training the populace indefinitley.

without a front line the war will never end, just like vietnam.

>The war was won completely.
Yet you left in total defeat in front of the world with your tail between your legs.
On this planet, nobody is afraid of the US anymore because everybody saw that you can't wage wars.

i came here to post this
NATO rules of engagement after sodom was captured prevented any real progress to be made
those under the less restrictive ROE were still able to get shit done, but the mission was still in kikey hands

Where's Saddam now?

>The U.S. State Department issued a statement saying it was aware of the detention reports. The department works with the Swedish Embassy in Pyongyang, which serves as the United States’ Protecting Power in North Korea, in dealing with such matters, the statement said. The U.S. has no direct diplomatic ties with Pyongyang.

Uh ... this was a unilateral war. NATO doesn't enter into it at all.
Ask all the NATO countries that did not take part in that war.

gorilla warfare

Saddam wasn't the object, stability in the Middle East was.
And the US led invasion achieved the exact opposite of that.

Because Obama put ridiculous restriction policies on the military making it impossible for them to do their job. He did this to try to destroy morale, soldier personal privacy, and put doubt in the public's mind regarding the effectiveness of the US military which would give him the support and ergo financial go-ahead to pour money into his failing socialist initiatives.
Now instead of training for skill and effectiveness on the battlefield the military is getting training in political correctness, essentially neutering and shaming would be soldiers and officers into oblivion.
I'm legit sad about it, burgerbros

Hmm, you are only partially true I think.
Hint: Not all of the Middle East is equally valuable
Hint 2: Nobody has tried to invade Kuwait after Saddam

Whites were unable to reap the benefits of it because they didn't use a 3 state solution (Kurdistan, Shiitestan and Sunnistan) to go along with the ethnic cleansing. I'm not a white supremacist. Most whites are retarded and deserve the bullet just as much as all Arabs.

Then how do you explain the total fuckup when Obama was in charge? He wasn't white, yet he did most of the damage.

The point of the war was to install a democracy in the middle east that was subordinate to Israel. Technology doesn't matter when you fight a war to change the minds of an entire region at war with the jews for thousands of years

Technology only goes so far and as everybody in the Pentagon above the rank of Colonel told Rumsfeld: we needed more than 500,000 troops to properly secure the country and we needed to completely secure the borders roads, cities and completely disarm the people.
We went in with a half-assed plan written by a Wunderkind Lt Colonel who didn't think or plan more than six weeks into the campaign and wasn't prepared and didn't know what to do when the Iraqi Army folded in less than three. His plan was 100% attack and cross the objective. He didn't think about the Secure the Objective phase because he was an inexperienced mid-career officer who thought he was smarter than everybody else because he'd won a few "unwinable" NTC battles and had never been humbled or made to be introspective or been involved in anything other than tactical armored maneuvering. In other words he didn't know how to think strategically, but he had the answer Rumsfeld was looking for in troop numbers (and therefore cost), so that's what we did.

Sykes-Picot is just that good at stirring up shit

Where was I ever defending the fuckups? I already stated the war was lost because ethnic cleansing and genocide wasn't used by the USA. Obama wasn't certainly prepared to do it either. Unless the intent of invading another country is to displace the population and colonize with with you're own people, you're not going to win the war.

The only winner of Iraq war is Iran...

Are you not familiar with the Fabian strategy?

>On every level
If it was lost on so many levels, name a few. How exactly was the war lost?

ROE
bad decisions (like disbanding the Iraqi military)
failure to secure the borders
basically, too many politicians.

You didn't do that in WW2, and Europe turned out all right after all. But here's the crucial difference:

1945, Germany is totally bombed out and has no government. What do the surviving Germans do? Clean away the rubble and start building anew, bigger and better than before.

2003, most of the buildings left standing in Irak, no government. What do the Irakis do?
Start looting, kidnapping and killing eachother immediately. And it hasn't stopped since, and it seems to grow worse every year.

I'm not sure if race or Islam is to blame here.

Except who fucking controls Iraq? Not the Sunnis who were the Pre-war government. The Shiites took over and Obama basically shrugged a let Iran seize control after he couldn't get them to pass SOFA.

Our R.O.E. in Ramadi 2006 was to kill adding suspicious looking individual. After curfew 8:00pm anybody on the street was considered an enemy combatant. I spent 18 months straight there. We owned that city....Then Obama fucked it up.

This. And since the Shias started an ethnic cleansing, ISIS was born to defend Sunnis against them.

As I said: Petraeus was the only major player who had any sense in that fuckup.

No leader in the West had the spine to truly fight a war.

>How did whites lose the Iraq war
They won

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Because of values dissonance.

American culture is literally satanism. If you want democracy in the Middle East you need one more like ours in 1776, not (((muh democracy, muh, feminism, muh equality))).

Why would any sane country accept what the west is pushing? Do you think white men in 1700 would have?

>ISIS was born to defend Sunnis against them
LOL Lets not take things too far. ISIS/AQI was not created to do that, but the Shiites' shitty behavior allowed the Sunnis to be duped into thinking that accepting them would be better off.

Then they banned shaving beards, ice, and selling cucumbers and tomatos next to each other.

Kurdistan would easily fit there, they would not even go close in overlapping assuming Greater Israel would stop at Eufrat river.

Kurdistan would be an easy puppet to control for Jews. Is this the reason why they want a Kurdistan?

>name a few
We had no clear strategy beyond "fast assault to Bagdad.
We didn't secure the hundreds of miles of territory we assaulted through because we didn't have the manpower to do so.
We literally turned away surrendering military members and Guerillas because we didn't know what to do with them.
We literally looked the other way at armed but not uniformed Iraqis who were behind our own lines because they weren't shooting at us right this second.
We didn't disarm the general population on our way through.
We didn't set up border control points with Iran and Syria. What little we did have were ineffective.
We had no fluent translators with front line units, so we couldn't have told an Iraqi from a Saudi from an Egyptian from an Iranian.
We had no understanding of the local culture/tribal makeup of the areas we were moving into.
There was no clear communication of orders or intent from top to bottom or vice versa, so soldiers didn't know what they should have been looking for or doing and leaders didn't really know what was going on at the troop level.
We were very unclear on our intentions beyond "get Saddam" when communicating with the locals, because we ourselves didn't know, so two different units would tell the same set of civilians two different stories.
We sent companies in to secure areas that should have taken an entire brigade full time.
Our strategy to secure was to set up camps and drive around the secure areas a couple of times a day.
There was no real effort to catalog or identify important individuals or groups or even do a general census of our secured towns, so we were at the mercy of Iraqis who told us what we wanted to hear, but never really knew who was and wasn't supposed to be there.

Iran started seizing control in 2004.

I was actually impressed with how swiftly Iraq fell in the hands of the Americans. The Iraq WAR was a thumping success because it took one month for Baghdad and Saddam to fall.

It's the following occupation that everyone likes to grill.

The war was won. We tried to set up a functioning state made up of Iraqis, but PC culture restricting the public knowledge of Middle Eastern IQ lead us to believe that they could govern themselves.

Yeah but it wasn't until Obama was in office where he just basically let them have it all.

Holy fucking revisionist history, Tyrone. That war lasted about two weeks and we stomped Iraq harder than anyone since the mongols. Just because CNN liked to call the next few years of occupying their country (you know like you do with a country you have dfeated utterly) a "war" does not mean it was or that when we decided to leave that we lost. Do you think when our troops someday leave Germany we will have lost WWII?

Good military analysis, but the failings of the CPA were even worse.

It still could have been handled had the Iraki army been controlled by the US army, had a sensible civil governor been installed and had a reasonable time been allowed for the restructuring of the country.

According to your logic, we won WW2. Sure, the press might say we lost, and pretty much all of German was a wasteland of rubble after it was all over. But we did get rid of the Jews, didn't we? And they never came back.

Mission accomplished, as you would say.

>implying Israel can tell other nations what to do and they'll just do it
>9/11 truther
Shouldn't have brought up 9/11 bru.

No, acording to my logic your military was defeated and your country laid waste and occupied by you enemies, therefore you lost, exactly like Iraq.

Also if they weren't larping that it was WW2 and they needed to do denazification, if they hadn't assumed that all Sunnis and current government officials even to the lowest local level were automatically bad, and yeah, knowing that many members of the Iraqi army had taken their weapons and equipment home, it would have been smart to pay them and keep them in place instead of disbanding them and trying to train them from scratch.

Kissinger protegee Bremer knew all this. He was warned against debaathifying the country. He did it anyway as he "felt" it was the right thing to do.

Even worse, top generals of the Iraki army spoke to him afterwards and explained to him why this was a bad idea. He went right ahead with administrative order number two and sent them all to the guerilla underground.

Holy fucking solipsism.
The Iraqi regulars went home and took their guns with them. We didn't defeat them, we just passed right through them. We should have had pow camps full of tens or hundreds of thousands of Iraqi prisoners under our control, but we sent them home instead. We did a an end run to Bagdad and left all the defenders in our dust, then spiked the football and called it a win because we got to the end zone.
Where do you think the initial groups of Guerilla fighters came from in 2003? They were all those soldiers we sent home without any pay, but with weapons.

Who said you lost the war?Lockheed,Raytheon and Blackwater got some sweet ass contracts thanks to the war

>They were all those soldiers we sent home without any pay, but with weapons.
Thing was, not only were they without pay. With the debaathification, they were also ensured not to find any new jobs. They literally were given no other option than to fight this new coalition provisional authority.

Don't forget Dick Cheney's company Haliburton, who sold the US trucks and stuff for five to ten times the regular price.
Talk about profiteering.

And btw,you guys knew Dick Cheeney's wife was Lockheed CEO?

The Iraq War was won with amazing alacrity

The Iraq Occupation has been a mess. This is because it is hard to jive our wish to be a humanitarian, western style civilization with the necessities of brutal occupation. You can either peaceably not occupy or you can brutally subjugate...but doing half measures (Iraq, Vietnam, etc) will always result in failure

Give him a bit more time. Casus Belli and all that. As said earlier tho to hear all this from a Swede is highly amusing.

go to Iraq and ask a local if they feel that they "won" the Iraq War

protip: they don't believe that at all

Because we court Marshall our soldiers for doing their jobs

We cant get away with bulldozing Iraqis alive in giant pits like we did in the golf war

People calling it a win and dredging up WW2 seem to ignore that in WW2, we killed or captured (mostly captured) hundreds of thousands of SA and SS soldiers in Africa, Italy, France and Germany before we ever got to Berlin. Imagine if we'd just sent them home with their guns instead? We'd still be fighting a Guerilla war there.

>Destroy enemy army
>Kill leader of enemy country
>"Lose" war

We didn't lose. We got tired of occupying a defeated country. Someday we'll get tired of occupying defeated Germany and defeated Japan.

Media Narrative turned public opinion against the conflict

Political Dishonesty hurt public opinion more, as well as negatively impacted troop morale

The Power Dynamics of the Middle East is a constant clusterfuck

>implying we lost
ROLLING ON FLOOR LAUGHING

This is short sighted political nonsense. Iran has been in quiet cahoots with the Iraqi government since we put the shiites in charge.

You know what's the craziest thing about all of this? Knowing what he does now, he would do it again. That's why US is cancer.

What did your country profit with it besides dead americans,trillions in debt and the military industrial complex winning some more billions?

I don't think so. Germany's population was tired of this war in 1943 or 1944. Even some of the army leadership grew sick of Hitler and tried to blow him up to replace him. The front was just overstreched and resources were running out. Maybe the war would have gone on another year if you'd sent those soldiers home, but it would eventually be stopped if not lost.

Should have pushed for Dunkirk. Should have pushed for Moscow. Shouldn't have gone to Stalingrad in the winter. And most of all, should have contained the war to just France and Poland.

>implying that we won we won
Dancing around like a bunch of niggers after the OJ verdict or the Obama election.
What did we "win" exactly?

We won by every measurable factor you fucking dolt.

The military industrial complex and companies like halilburton sure won,your country didnt win anything with it besides dead military and trillions in debt