Redpill me on Canadian Healthcare, pol

Redpill me on Canadian Healthcare, pol.

Is it really that bad? I know it could never work in the US but what are some horror/success stories or examples?

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It's basically two-tier. You can get cheap treatment but you might have to wait, or you can pay a little extra and they'll treat you right away at a private practice.

Low quality bait.

It's free, it may be hard for you Goyim to understand it, but it is still more successful than the healthcare in the US.

It's NOT FREE...somebody has to pay...and it's the taxpayer who pays...

Typical Canucks with a job pay anywhere between 25%-50% in tax all combined...

Bau it ain't free...

it's generally alright, but if you need to see a specialist and it's not an emergency it can take 6 months to a year

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I had to wait 5 months for the doctors to deny me surgery to remove the cholesterol crystals in my gallbladder. They essentially told me to wait and to the emergency room when it explodes.

Yes it's fucking terrible.

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As long as you don't mind waiting 48 weeks for cancer treatment to begin.

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On 1 hand it's free so non whites live longer on the other hand the wait times are so long that canadians fall like maple leaves. So it's a ok

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Nobody has a family doctor anymore, this means you have to go to a walk in clinic in order to get a referral to a specialist. These are notoriously awful, and have long wait times with waiting rooms filled with people.

When you finally see a doctor you are only allowed to address one issue at a time. So if your ear is fucked, and your knee hurts, you have to come back for the knee later as they are only paid per visit.

Once you get into the specialists you see real doctors and it's not so bad, though wait times to see them can be long.

The worst is if you have no health care, you are fucked and stuck paying full rates as there is no 'cheap' health care here and you can easily have your health care pulled by the provincial gov for not paying monthly fees (like in BC).

Whenever you get tested for anything (blood test, urine sample, ect) it all goes to the US for analysis and takes weeks to find out.

tl;dr it's a total shitshow, preventative care is nonexistent, most facilities are pretty shabby and corrupt doctors at the lower tier exist galore.

>You can get cheap treatment but you might have to wait

You will get cheap treatment and wait for it in the emergency room until you die, this is how this system is economically viable.

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What the fuck is this? What retard made this? Caesar only intervened in Gaul to begin with because the Helvetii were heading to migrate through Roman Gaul, and this intervention eventually led to a cascade of events that led Rome to conquer all of Gaul. And Brennus sacked Rome hundreds of years before the Gallic wars.

Going to a walk in clinic or family doctor is easy and good

Going to an emergency room or specialist will make you hate socialism

>believing Tax Payers pay

The Banks pay, and we owe them lots and lots of money.

Let's imagine a day before feminism and cultural marxism
You wake up in the morning, birds are singing because no niggers killed them.
You take a piss and it doesn't burn because you have affordable healthcare.
You grab the newspaper, nobody got murdered yesterday, but feminism is dead.
You eat a bowl of cereal and don't get cancer, then kiss your wife because it's easy to find a girl.
Off to work, because everyone has a job and the salary is better since the demand is higher.
You pass by the mailbox, and there is no vandalism, your neighbor waves at you.
You leave your car in the driveway and take the bus and it's not packed, you have plenty of space.
You didn't have to pay a fare because public transportation is free.
The roads are in perfect condition because nobody is eating your taxes with welfare checks.
Out the window, you don't see any homeless, because they were able to find a job and house since rents are significantly cheaper.
Therapy centers are going bankrupt because there are almost no drug dealers left, and jails are practically empty.
You get to work and don't have to worry about some idiot shooting up the place.
That's because the quality of life has increased and people are generally happy, also there are no terrorists.
You finish your 6 hour shift, because laws have been passed to prevent exploitation.
You pass by the grocery to get supper, everything is cheap and good quality.
On the way home you see children singing as they're walking and wave to them.
When you get home, everything is intact because you haven't been robbed.
You kiss your government issued firearm and make supper with your wife and have small talk about your day.
Your kids come home from school and didn't get bullied.
Today they learned how to build things and critical thinking instead of getting brainwashed.
After supper you bring the family to a community organised activity.
You look at the clock, it's September 10th 1951.

Now THAT'S a flag you don't see everyday

tell me more about these corrupt doctors

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Oh yes I forgot emergency rooms.

It will be full of people will nasty injuries just sitting there moaning. You will come in with a nailgun having pierced your face or something and they'll just tell you to wait for hours, probably like 3-10 hours depending.

The best thing is to just pretend to pass out and lay on the floor so they give you treatment.

Universalism, in association with Equilibrism is perhaps what will save the west by destroying toxic ideologies and policies.
So I will explain how it works.
My religion confirms, using Free speech, that there is no creator, God is the universe.
We discourage you to believe anything written by man, for only God is worthy of our trust.
Therefore, I am no prophet, just a man like you.

Equilibrism is the Right to bear arms half way between socialism and communism for the moment, it varies with time, and half way between librarian and fascist.
In my religion and political stance, we preach the stop of hatred, kill them with love. We also preach very strongly self-defense and self-preservation through sharing.
The war of cradles is far more effective than the war of swords in this day and age, the only way to wake up is through Universalism and Equilibrism.
It goes without saying that our main goal is to achieve world happinness to Unite the world
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I like it just fine. I used to work for Amoco and I have very good private healthcare as my benefits were negotiated when I worked in Texas, and I've never felt the need to use it either by going to the states (which I'd mostly be completely reimbursed for, including travel and accommodations for accompanying family, to a point) or in some of the private facilities that exist within my province (Alberta).

Most of my problems with our healthcare involve civic logistics, like when they tore down the General Hospital in Calgary.

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2-3 YEAR HIGHER LIFE EXPECTANCY THAN THE UNITED STATES AT A MUCH LOWER COST.

JEWNITED STATE BTFO

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the "free" (tax funded) healthcare isn't as bad as most people will claim, might differ from province to province but I've lived in BC and Ontario and it's been fine in both provinces whenever I had any medical needs.

For stuff that needs immediate treatment like a broken bone, or heart/breathing problems, basically any emergency, you usually get in really fast to see a doctor, and usually have surgery underway within a day or less depending on severity, if its life threatening you'll be in for surgery within minutes.

For stuff that isn't an emergency/life threatening, like if you have a back or neck injury or something causing you discomfort and that needs corrective surgery, thats where you can be in for really long waits, you'll have to see a specialist, then get surgery booked, sometimes a 4-16+ week delay where you have to live with that discomfort, and then if you need followup surgery it could be an additional 4-16+ week delay in between.

I'm still relatively young (32) so most of my medical needs have been either really minor stuff, or broken bones which were treated immediately. Haven't had to deal with any chronic old-person ailments so I can't speak for the senior care. My parents are in their 50s though and they've had no problems as far as I'm aware.

Have never really heard any horror stories. Just some longer delays for non-emergency surgery, like my dad needed spine surgery and he had to wait a few months, then it wasn't totally successful and he had to wait another few months to get back in again, eventually it was fixed but he spent the better part of a year in discomfort and in and out of those surgeries.

The Vatican comes here to tell you pizzagate is fake news

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Corrupt as in extremely shady methadone clinics, and immigrant doctors (ahem, Chinese) who falsify patient records since the government is paying the bill, they can just write as many phony visits per day as they want and often get away with it.

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Agreed ok praise moloch

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We have fraud/abuse of what we call Medicare/Medicaid, which is socialized medicine for the olds and poor. Doctors will collude with medical device companies and defraud the federal govt.

People don't realize that graft is inevitable with a socialized system.

Still, a "freemium" model for healthcare seems like the only option, especially as newer and more expensive treatments are developed.

I've never heard about the system being corrupt. could you use this to your advantage and bribe a doctor into a prescription for something horrid such as adderall?

There is no "Canadian" health care. Each province is responsible for its own health care system.

I nearly died on a number of occasions because of how bad the medical system is in Quebec.

>Food poisoning
>Can't retain water for two days straight
>Severely dehydrated
>Go to hospital
>All I need is for someone to swab my arm with alcohol and hook up a saline solution so that I can rehydrate
>After sitting in the ER for 32 hours, on the verge of death, finally get a saline solution

Just one example
vancouversun.com/news/local-news/b-c-urologist-to-plead-guilty-to-fraud-over-improper-billing

>Health care fraud, mostly by doctors, has been estimated at $10 billion a year across Canada, a report prepared for the Law Commission of Canada in 2005 by Simon Fraser University criminology professor Joan Brockman showed. But governments and doctors have historically taken a non-criminal approach to medicare fraud.

So the last stats done on fraud was in 2005, and back then it was 10 billion. God knows how much it is now.

Health Care isn't free here, besides the large tax increases to pay for it there are often a ton of bullshit fees they will hit you with and you have to pay a monthly premium fee in some provinces, though it's usually just $100/mth.

The American system is much better, but there should be a low income plan so you get shit tier Canadian style medicare if you're poor or a student otherwise get the decent real care

I'm drunk so i didn't read the other answers. I know the system inside out.

This is a reactive system that only cares about serious illness. The only way you'll get a response is if its a serious life threatening issue.

Everything else will fall through the cracks, all of us veterans don't have a chance.

My local physician told me 4 months ago "Son you must mail your MP and tell him that us doctors can no longer see Canadians. Every patient I see is an elderly immigrant"

Just think, Justin Tredeau gets free care every time he gets a sex toy stuck in his ass. He's just going to keep doing it. Fucking leafs never learn.

well that's what you get for living in rural quebec

Stop leaf... it hurts.

The hospital in question is in St-Hyacinthe. It has a population of ~50k.

don't be a bigot they are canadians you are just a whitey from europe that illegally immigrated.

Everything hurts and the doctors won't see me

>Have debilitating neuropathic pain
>Takes a year of being basically unable to walk before I get to see the pain clinic

Ontario's health care system is faster than Quebec's, but it's still far too slow.

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Basically my experience. Had to get an appendectomy when I was 13, and that went by pretty quickly once I got examined. Wife had to have a c-section, and the process was relatively efficient. Haven't heard of any of the classic wait time horror stories first-hand, but I imagine they do exist.

"Public" healthcare is still a garbage concept, though. Should be completely private.

Check this out:
cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-health-care-commission-abolished-budget-1.3501858

>Quebec's government has a watchdog who is there specifically to study the effectiveness of the system
>He releases a report saying all but 3 or 4 hospitals are complete shit and everyone should emulate the few places that actually have good performance metrics
>Government immediately defunds the position entirely

I gave up on myself but I put all my energy into my bed-ridden mother.

You have to bully your way into care. It's a good learning experience (especially for the business world). Find out who is responsible for the next step and bully your way there.

It took the desperation seeing my mom need care to make me realize it. Best of luck brother

I work in security / code safety for a health authority in bc.

Basically 95% of people in the ER dont need to be there and cause a bottleneck.

A looooooot of fat people too, usually with a 2L of soda while they wait for the doctor.

That's basically what I did... Fuck, I actually had to google up my symptoms and specifically ask the doctor to do a specific set of blood tests. It turns out I was just on the verge of death. No big deal.

>Paging Dr. Brown
>Paging Dr. Brown
>You are needed in the ER

I have never had to have surgery but I go to the doctors a lot for (((((((((((((((((((((mental health))))))))))))))))))) and it's kind of nice to not have to worry about it outside of perscriptions?

Canadian healthcare ruined me. I have been waiting in line for almost a year for healthcare and in the meantime I missed out on so much money it hurts. Now im just a neet for life.

Any difference between our healthcare and leafs healthcare?

Fuck them.

There are people who live in Canada for 40 years and dont bother to learn basic english. They dont deserve to live here.

The original settlers turned this place into a first world nation.

Fuck native americans. They lost their wars fair amd square. If they were running shit today life expectancy would be 30. Get a witch doctor to shake a stick 4 times and hope youre magically cured.

Every man in the family has been here since the founding and every woman is British

Expansiveness is a huge issue. Massive oversaturation in some areas and massive under population in others are essentially the only options

It's a shit system -especially here in Quebec- and you need a lot of patience to navigate it. Oh, and you better don't have any serious illness or condition. If you do and if you can't pay to access the private healthcare system, you're pretty much a dead man.

Also prepare to wait 30 + hours if you break something.

t. broke a leg two months ago

>Neurologist sends documents so you can get an MRI done
>No call for a year and a half
>Move out of province
>After a year of living in Ontario, they call asking me if I can come in at 10 AM the next day

That was the Nôtre-Dame hospital in Montreal, too. Not exactly a small town place.

To be honest, though, the liberal government is deliberately crashing the system here.

Couillard has a lot to answer for.

I had a good laugh when the province was getting its panties in a knot because Harper wasn't micromanaging the health care system there. It's almost as if he knew that he'd get blamed for it being shit if he did!

Let's be honest, though: There are no good parties in Quebec. Going back and forth between the Liberals and the Parti Québécois hasn't done the place any favours and everyone else with any support is even more toxic.

Fuck, I remember walking around down by Station Pie-IX and seeing literal communist propaganda posted everywhere. Not even using the term as an insult, either. Straight-up Hammer and Sickle. Shit fucking sucked during the student protest, too.

We're trying to commit suicide as a people because of the post-referendum syndrome. The cues are everywhere.

Couillard will be premier for life despite being such an openly bad premier/person.

Would you mind waiting a few years so I can get the rest of my family out of the province first? I'd really appreciate it.

Ain't happening, friendo. I'm out as soon as I graduate. The boomers can keep this doomed fuckery of a perma-province now.

Good plan, M8. For what it's worth, all the fellow Quebecers I've met out here in Ontario have been really chill.

Can't wait to renounce me culture and marry outside of my ethnic group. I can't stand being part of a twice auto-aborted people.

Gen Y has no reason to stay in Quebec, IMO.
youtube.com/watch?v=JvcEP0EjqIc

Dad broke his leg and we waited 5 hours in the waiting room and then another 3 in the er.

I just moved here and I fucking hate Canada. Worst decision of my life.

Where from and where to?

From Pakistan to Ottawa.

I mean, isn't it pretty common knowledge how different our culture is? Hell, shouldn't just knowing about the winter been a good enough reason to pick literally anywhere else? Why Canada? Even Albinos get Seasonal Affective Disorder here.

Hell, most of us don't even have a reason to go on at all. It's no fucking surprise our suicide rate is so high. We have nothing to look for. We're losing the economic and the demographic wars and we're getting assimilated at an absurd pace. I hope the old folks appreciate their pensions because they bought them by selling the future (and the flesh) of the generations after them.

On se réveille en pleurant pendant que les vieux se réveillent en enfer, ostie. Un scénario digne de Kafka.

You have to go back.

>Ottawa
I found your problem.

>isn't as bad as most people will claim
>sometimes a 4-16+ week delay where you have to live with that discomfort, and then if you need followup surgery it could be an additional 4-16+ week delay in between
>Have never really heard any horror stories.

I came here because I love the Winters, had heard leafs were welcoming to foreigners and because of education. What is even Canadian "culture"? Timmies? Hockey? Saying sorry but not actually meaning it? It's basically a mish-mash of international vibes from all over the globe. I now know that the nicety is just a facade meant to hide the passive aggressiveness you all share. It would be much preferable to me if someone were being racist to my face. You're all so cold. Literally and figuratively. You hardly even really "talk" to one another even. Especially in Ottawa it's difficult to form meaningful relationships.

This country is a comfortable hell. And it's getting less and less comfortable.

For the very basic services its a quick and cheap in and out.

For special services youre gonna have to wait if its not an emergency. Some have died waiting for treatment but its usually a local hospital failure rather than a systematic one most of the time.

If you dont have much money, the system is significantly better for you since you at least have a reasonable chance to get it.

If youre super rich it doesnt really benefit you. Alot of richer Canadians pay for quicker services in the states.

Overall I like it, but it needs alot of work, especially in convincing people not to waste doctors time with trivial bullshit. Moving to an American style system would be an unmitigated disaster.

t- Canadian currently in Germany

Ils vont se faire fourré aussi, sauf qu'ils ont eu l'opportunité d'acheter une maison, d'établir des compagnies... Vivre leur vies, quoi... C'est une génération de sociopathes et d'imbéciles.

It's like... a shared cultural memory. Let's be honest: When's the last time you went and had a drink with a Canadian? Sit back, talk about shit with a game playing in the background? Have you ever gone skeet shooting? Have you gone to any of the museums peppering the country to actually learn about our heritage? Canadians deal with enough bullshit on a daily basis. We're not going to do all the legwork for you to find your place in the country for you.

That is an apt way of putting it actually.

nah they go first, but people with broken limbs gotta wait 10hours

Thank you.

>Just go skating brah! :^)

Spoken like a true normie. No need to worry about me. Canada has lost its own place in the world. Even a foreigner like me can observe it.

It's shit if you're not rich like literally everywhere else but better than the US.

So you try none of the great Canadian passtimes, don't bother looking into our history or sharing any part of our way of life and then complain that it sucks here?

You're like an American tourist eating McDonalds instead of local restaurants. Canada isn't a cold Pakistan and downplaying our identity isn't going to change that.

It's funny because whenever people talk about how awesome UHC is in detail. It sounds decidedly not awesome. It's like when Steve Wozniak is asked about how Steve Jobs screwed him over and then he describes their relationship and you become even more sure that Jobs screwed him over and the only person that doesn't see that is Wozniak.

No one waits for surgeries of any severity in the US. The only delays I see are people purposely putting off a surgery for their own schedule, like a vacation or something. You can see specialists within a week of your GP making the request. Payment isn't an issue either. I've had stuff covered by charity, my uncles who are broke as shit drug users get charity or medicade to cover everything. Including a hip surgery and a month in a rehab facility recently. Everyone else pays a reduced rate or a some insurance deductible.

I mean there are problems, every system has fucking problems. But it's not like America's problem are a fundamental failure of a free market, because healthcare isn't a free market here. Customers are just commodities traded between insurance and healthcare providers. And the AMA is a fucking cartel making doctors way rarer than they need to be.

But in general the system is way more responsive to your problems and you're far more likely to get your treatment, quickly.

We're in an empoverishement process.

What you're seeing is not the Canada you were promised, but the Canada we tried to promise you. You've been catfished but instead of being scammed because you wanted to have sex with us, you have been culturally scammed and now you have to spiritually and emotionally endure a cynical and atomized society that can't go on without massive consumptions of psychiatric drugs.

try not being a dirty paki

Tfw I can't tell if you're LARPing as a Paki and telling us how you so easily you entered our country to intentionally piss off some LEAFS or if it's literally so easy a 4channer from Pakistan could immigrate here. Sorry senpai. Btw if you want to see Canadian culture I recommend leaving the city areas, maybe go on a road trip this summer, visit Algonquin and the small towns all around it.

It doesn't really sound like he's interested in our culture at all. I bet you his playlist doesn't include a single song produced here, lmao.

why the fuck it is so long???
even in my shithole it takes month at most to see a specialist, usually less than that