Sup Forums Communism general USSR victory day edition

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
>To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is recommended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm
marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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Communism is literally dysgenics.

>"from each according to his ability"
Why should a smart, productive person work harder than the average worker? All of his extra labor and effort will produce nothing for him. Productivity will eventually slow to the lowest common denominator.

>"to each according to his need"
Meanwhile, you are subsidizing the stupid and lazy people who would otherwise be less successful and therefore less likely to mate and reproduce.

STOP INCENTIVIZING LAZINESS AND STOP SUBSIDIZING LOW IQ BABIES YOU STUPID NIGGER

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A communist society would free individuals from long working hours by first automating production to an extent that the average length of the working day is reduced and second by eliminating the exploitation inherent in the division between workers and owners. A communist system would thus free individuals from alienation in the sense of having one's life structured around survival (making a wage or salary in a capitalist system), which Marx referred to as a transition from the "realm of necessity" to the "realm of freedom." As a result, a communist society is envisioned as being composed of an intellectually-inclined population with both the time and resources to pursue its creative hobbies and genuine interests, and to contribute to creative social wealth in this manner. Karl Marx considered "true richness" to be the amount of time one has at his or her disposal to pursue one's creative passions. Marx's notion of communism is in this way radically individualistic.

howdy again
read the first part of Germany Tomorrow, Aus budget is on at the moment so it'll be a few days til I finish it

Based Chile

Stupid.

Nice b8 m8

Better dead

FAQ for washed liberal-morons and normal people who simply do not know much about communism:

1. Communism is the USSR.
The USSR is a socialist state, not a communist state.

2.1. Why, then, does the Communists all the time refer to the USSR?
Because the USSR is our historical experience of the practical construction of a communist society. We highlight the positive aspects of the experience of the USSR and study the negative experience. It is also worthwhile to understand that the USSR is for us a certain significant Symbol.

2.2 Communism is a dictatorship
Under communism there are no classes, accordingly there is no dictatorship.

3. What about the dictatorship of the proletariat?
The dictatorship of the proletariat is a temporary form of political power called upon to ensure the observance of the rights of the proletariat during the transition from capitalist society to communism.

4. But Stalin ...
With regard to the period of Stalin's rule, we can identify a lot of positive and negative aspects of his activities. But unfortunately, all-round propaganda has distorted the history of this period too much, therefore, without a comprehensive historical analysis of this period, it is impossible to draw unambiguous conclusions on the basis of ALL declassified documents.

5. And yet Stalin ...
We adequately perceive the figure of Stalin and treat him normally and without hysteria. Nevertheless, Stalin - though significant, but by no means the main figure of the communist movement.

6. What is the main figure, if not Stalin?
Marx

7. Ie you are not Communists, but Marxists?
Communism is part of Marx's teaching. At present, Marx's teaching has evolved into many directions. As for the precise definition, the terms "Communist" and "Marxist" often very much depend on the context.

8. Communism is the antithesis of democracy.
By no means. Communism is just a true democracy.

9. Under communism - all work in the Gulag for workdays on 24/7.
On the contrary, the Communists set their task to reduce the number of working hours, by increasing the productivity of labor. Ideally, we should work for 4 hours in fully automated production, the remaining time dedicated to self-development, art, hobby.

10. But wait! This is a capitalistic post-industrial one!
You are deeply mistaken my young friend. This is precisely communism. And under capitalism you will not get it. Communism is the highest stage of development of society and economy and if capitalism is similar to what I described above, then it turns into communism.

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communism is a vampirism disease borne by envious wealth expropriators who are otherwise useless and as such must resort to violence; at first this violence happens on personal level through terrorist acts, only to be replaced later on by state level powers using totalitarian means of control aka state terrorism

it is so cancerous that even decades after its downfall it still causes governance, legislative and even mental issues in post-communist states, a damage so great it shall continue to plague entire national bodies for generations

there is an upside, however: technological advances will at some point render governments impotent vis-a-vis individuals' agency, that day can't come soon enough

>didn't inherit shit.
Honestly Pedro, the fact that you would post something like this says a lot about you and the sense of entitlement you have that lets you be the shitposting neet you are.

Get a job. I don't care what kind of mother you think you have but she deserves better.

>there is an upside, however: technological advances will at some point render governments impotent vis-a-vis individuals' agency, that day can't come soon enough

Yep, communism.

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
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GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
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It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
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gommies.gom/1984/
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gommies.gom/probaganda/
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gommies.gom/wheresfood/
gommies.gom/benis/

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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

VIGDORY DAYYY FOR AUDISM :DDD!!!! XDDDDD

nope, it's libertarian right - minarchy

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>we finally reach a point where government isn't needed
>some lazy Spaniard wants to take some of my shit for free

Yeah, how bout nah m8. See that would make you an exploiter, who's stealing the fruits of my labor. You have literally become the monopoly guy/piggy/capitalist that you've been memeing this whole time.

No.

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>didn't inherit shit

Because that's how losers justify being losers

Also, are there any gommie fags who can explain how you go from a system where the state controls everything to one where there is no state, even though there will always need to be a state to create new laws as technology changes

>Citing the most undemocratic western institution possible is a valid example of parliamentary democracy.

All democracies right now are dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.

I hate communists, they fuck up communism every time, how they go from "the people rule everything" and worker self-government to state wide slavery EVERY TIME is beyond me. If (almost) any other group tried to establish communism they'd make it work, fucking Sup Forums would run a communist state better than the idiots that somehow got to the positions to do so.

> This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
It is social cancer.
Burn it.

66% of my countries population is middle class.
That's a substantial majority.
eat shit.

>OP

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why is it always the same faggot from spain that posts these threads
does he not realize it shouldn't exist here? that it... won't work? hmmm

Embrace Papa Tito, Sup Forums.

He's basically everything you want in a leader. Scratch that, he's everything we all want.

VETE A LA MIERDA DE UNA PUTAVEZ HIJO DE LA GRANDÍSIMA PUTA CABRÓN

>Stalins wife comes in says: "Stalin you are killing to many people"
>Stalin says: "Njet
>Stalin's wife writes and apology letter and commits suicide.

>Stalin's son gets captured by the Nazis
>Nazis want to trade the son against SS officers captured by the red army
>Stalin says "Njet"
>signs execution order of his son, surrender is punishable by death
>Son hears about how he disappointed his father, jumps into a electrical fence to defend the family honor

Was Stalin the most based leader of the last century?

"middle class" means nothing

What you call middle class is in reality a whole lot of people from different classes from worker aristocracy to petite bourgoise

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>Stalin comes in and says "Tito, you must what do what I say".
>Tito says: "Ne"

Venezuela is filthy rich in oil, it's a bad joke a tiny country like Chile can outperform them economically.

You sounded like you were about to make some sort of point and then you didn't.

Ok, "classes" differ due to their relations to means of production and hired labour. "Middle class" has only 1 thing in common - amount of money, you can be a baker and earn the same as factory worker, but you by no means are in the same position of access to power and therefore they have different goals. The baker wants his bakery to grow bigger, the worker wants to push on his boss and get better conditions.

It is not a bad word, it is just inaccurate. Such term might be usefull but calling it a "class" is wrong.

In Russian Empire there was a term for them - meschanstvo, a great term making many things clear.

You know anybody can work their way up to owning a business right? It's super common, not just for monopoly men and pigfaced demons you lefty rascals seem to love putting in your memes.

Also, the workers are allowed to quit if they don't like the work or the pay.

>can't really work your way up to the Polit Bureau....
>can't really "quit" your state appointed job and look elsewhere.....

>can't really work your way up to the Polit Bureau
Yes you could. If you had the education and the political acumen you could very well work your way through Soviet politics. As virtually every Soviet leader did, I mean Gorbachev started life as a farmer.

Also it's spelled the Politburo

fuck you and fuck him

I don't give a fuck, nationalists can eat my dick.

>nationalists
how about people who respect personal property, right to self-determination, rule of law and impartial judiciary
everything your babby dictator doesn't

>"Middle class" has only 1 thing in common - amount of money
I don't know how it's used in slav land but here it signifies not just income but standards of living, fall behind and you're 'the working poor'.
The overwhelming percentage of the voting population enjoys a high standard of living. To claim my country is a 'dictatorship of the bourgeoisie' is hyperbolic nonsense.

How's Venezuela doing???

Yes, anyone can make a business (not really actually but whatever) but it does not change the fact that the worker gets payed less than works.

Yes, you are allowed to change the man who will steal part of your labour. But does it change anhything?

No, you could make your way anywhere you wanted. USSR was the country for working class. I can name lots of people who made it to the highest ranks out of my rural shithole.
Even Eltzin - son of opressed kulak got into power, became the leader of Moscow party, it should make you think.

Your job is not state appointed, it is given to you by the state, you just choose it. Soviet schools were aimed to make children interested in the professions so that they decide what they will dedicate their life to by the end of high school.

What you said
>personal property, right to self-determination, rule of law and impartial judiciary
What I saw
>Muh capitalism, muh nationalism, muh not getting sent to Goli Otok for being a fascist.

Tito is the best leader the South Slavs ever had at any point in history and the fact he was able to keep the country together and independent is a testament to this.

But it is true.

I don't know shit about aus politics but I will guess with 1 try that most of the politicians from your rulling party are businessmen.

Did I guess?

neck yourselves you commie fucks

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you don't know shit about fuck
anyway, looking forward to some communist expropriating your own wealth and extrajudicially killing your entire senpai

The answer to the most common questions.

>How are Russians winners of the second
world war?
Good organization of troops and established supply. By the 41st year, Germany had 5 million soldiers + about 3 million allied soldiers. The Soviet Union had only 2.5 million soldiers. The Germans made a real Zerg rush, but were unable to break the Soviet military machine.

>USSR lost more people than any other nation
No, Germany and Italy suffered the biggest losses - 100% of the population. No soldiers - no country.

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Sorry but I'm not a kulak with any wealth to expropriate and my family (for the most part) aren't fascists.

Not gonna lie, the USSR kinda sucked but I like the memes.

I will guess with 1 try that you'll imply this is inherently bad.

Did I guess?

Stalin decked out Kuntsevo in finery his people would never see, and the elites of NK get around in European cars. They flat out stole.
I'd rather be governed by people with a rudimentary understanding of how to develop a nations economy rather than run it into the ground. I'd advise you to look up Clive Palmer, he's a good example of what happens to a businessman who enters politics here for the sole purpose of financial gain.

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lol, you live in Spain, Spain is going to shit, so instead of fighting for freedom you want the govt to by your mommy and daddy and take care of you
my guess is you are not a very competent person

I'd really like to know the source of this pic. I'd like to think it was implying that infantry support is a means of protecting armour.

nice arbitrary scale you have there
your kind is the way it is for a reason and the only manner in which it is able to momentarily crawl out of its deserved position of worthless pieces of shit is either by terrorism like communists or parasitism like expatriating for gibs to UK

Lets trigger Naziboos

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>Stalin decked out Kuntsevo in finery his people would never see
Meanwhile, in Buckingham Palace (just one of many royal palaces btw).

In fact, the USSR tried to use extra protection. But it became obvious that infantry - is the best protection.

god damn these threads are good, commies eternally btfo

I would too.

Yeah mixed units proved to be horrible idea

Oh wait, thats what everyone nowadays do

>american not knowing what he is talking about

nothing new

YES! MAKE NAZIS AFRAID AGAIN!

>I'm not wealthy
>Well that's what you deserve you worthless piece of shit!
This is your mind on capitalist ideology.

Thanks for outing yourself as a kulak assblasted by Tito's total JUSTICE.

Utterly irrelevant to what we were talking about. I won't defend it's construction.

The point is that every world leader does this and our own does it more egregiously than Stalin did by a huge margin.

Spic is back with the same shitty thread.

I agee, lol

Solzhenitsyn is literally the worst thing you can bring up discussing communism.

Kill yourself you dindu-loving cucks

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>ideology
none of that here, only personal property: what's mine is mine, fruits of my labour are for the betterment of my own and my family's life, not something to redistribute to envious, lazy balkaniggers with no ambition or business acumen; no better than feeding subsaharan niggers
such "justice" is entirely arbitrary just like the cancerous ideology you're spouting here; such "justice" killed off everyone worth a damn for using their head and seeing the hypocrisy you deem as something to aspire to
diaspora is cancer

what are the benefits of capitalism?

rubber dragon penises with a 60% discount?

What a loss, Jesus Christ

Mate, I'm about to let you in on something, property is a purely imaginary concept. It's not real. You don't really have an inalienable right to get fat off the labour of others just because you "own" something.

>such "justice" killed off everyone worth a damn
I would bet good money that discounting fascists, Stalinists and other assorted people who deserved it Tito probably killed less people in his entire term than cops in America do in decade.

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>Stalinists
And Stalin

Communism= 100% fail rate. Its never a matter of if but when and in how spectacular a fasion. Final stages like; eating your pets, selling your children, eating your children, nawing bark off trees, the living envy the dead.

>Implying Tito wasn't a bloodthirsty piece of shit
>Implying that the nigger scum who get shot by cops dindu nuffin wrong.

Honestly people like you just need to be shot.

> Final stages like; eating your pets, selling your children, eating your children, nawing bark off trees, the living envy the dead.
I think it was free market 1990s capitalism that caused that.

Ivan was implying that Australian politicians enter politics specifically to enhance their wealth.
That has nothing to do with the estates of the house of windsor.

china you need to die now

>USSR wasn't communist!

report and sage

I reap the rewards of whatever it is I am offering in a free market; if I happen to employ external help who enter into voluntary contract that governs how they get compensated for their time and energy, so be it
not that this would be something you could ever experience since you're the spawn of low-IQ low-drive underachieving lineage of balkanigger criminal scum

also nice moving of goalposts, how totally unexpected of a completely intellectually honest and thought-out argument
protip: if someone is against your authoritarian cult it does not imply they are for another authoritarian cult, like your idealogues taught your feeble mind