Did Italy fuck Hitler over?

Did Italy fuck Hitler over?

The war in the east could have been victorius, if the fat fuck in Rome had a proper army and control of his own country.

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The rest of the Axis fucked Italy over.

>fuck Hitler over?
a lot of things ended up fucking over Hitler but yes, Italy was not a well performing as it could have been, which caused issues with the invasion of the Soviet Union

My great grandfather hated Italy with a passion. On the geopolitical scale it might have been a different issue, but the soldiers felt the double betrayal of Italy a bit more harshly.

useless spaghetti niggers cannot into militarism, unfortunately

Hitler fucked himself over by not giving total command to Japan. If they were in charge of the Axis army they would have won.

Hitler was the autist sperg who started the war in the first place and is the reason literally every right wing and traditionalist movement is considered ''racist'' and ''sexist'' today.

Hitler and his Stormniggers chimping out literally fucked everything over.

>If they were in charge of the Axis army they would have won.
Fucking what? Based off what? They couldn't finish off China, what makes you think they could handle a more capable foe

Germany and Japan won zero World Wars. We won 1. If anything they were holding us down

>Hitler started the war
nice meme, Poland had it coming, you could have stayed out of it, dumb anglo

the germans should of just immigrated back to Germany m8

Allies had their command centralised so I argue if the Axis did the same thing they might have had a chance.

yes,if we acted like spain and portugal,germany would have been in a better position.
musso was butt-hurt about hitler overcoming the "master",he was envious of germany

He could have waited another 5 years after his various annexations and been fine.

>Hitler was the autist sperg who started the war in the first place
Brits are Rothschild slaves.

Rhodesians and Afrikaners too, by that logic? Indonesian dutch? Anglo Aussies?

hitler and his ideology would of naver have lasted anyway

National Socialism get out of function when it's around for more than 10-20 years. Fascism on the other hand is much more well thought out, especially when it comes to economics and planning. National Socialism is just idealism and ''muh 100% X genes''

Everything after battle of moscow December 1941 was hitler deliberately losing to the west so that the commies didn't take over Europe. So go easy on the Italians. They were just following orders

Hitler fucked himself by allying the spaghetti

1000 year Reich would have been reality with National Socialism in function, you ruined it tough so stop complaining

that's because fascism is about discipline and order which both systems hate since they're based on degeneracy. china is fascist so the dream isn't dead. they've really hoodwinked the public since they're "communist" but use state run capitalism which amounts to national socialism. they're ultra nationalistic too.

>hitler and his ideology would of naver have lasted anyway

I don't know, they were indoctrinating children with aryan traits, could have eliminated the jews in Europe by the year 1950, taken over the world.

we liberated them from a dystopian hellhole

>Did Italy fuck Hitler over?

Yes. They caused Germans to overextend themselves to bail 'em out. Delayed Barbarossa and shieet.

>The war in the east could have been victorius, if the fat fuck in Rome had a proper army and control of his own country.

The fat fuck micromanaged his army promoted only yes-men into positions of power in military, as result only handful Italian units were actually useful in combat. Their naval special forces were based pioneers of combat divers and most remained loyal to Axis until end of war.

>Germany and Japan won zero World Wars. We won 1. If anything they were holding us down

Japan was with entente in first one, unlike Italy they were actually allied with French and Bongs. Prior to WWI you were allied with Germans and Austrians. You changed sides before you even entered the war.

That's what you like to believe, the truth is quite the opposite

how is this any different to Stalinist propaganda?

>The fat fuck micromanaged his army promoted only yes-men into positions of power in military, as result only handful Italian units were actually useful in combat

And his ordnance was 1910 tier at best, their tanks were pathetic.

Literally would take 1937 USSR over modern west.

How is first hand experience propaganda?

THIS is propaganda (nothing negative about propaganda per se): www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmGqG3grTrg

They had some fantastic pieces of kit like 90mm dual purpose guns, but their tank development essentially ended in mid 30's.

Hitlerboos never cease to amaze me, I understand that you love to roleplay but it's time to let it go.

National Socialism is a defeated ideology, it will never be able to garner enough support again because it's seen as a LOSER and Communism is going the same way, to the dustbin of history, both only to be perpetuated by bunch of fags pretending to be a history reenactment society.

It's over kids, it's time to look at the future.

Except Hitler's rise was anticipated for the Holohoax to be exploited, consider that the Balfour declaration was in 1917.

Also consider that Eichmann's diaries (not a hoax, Irving wrote a good piece on this) showed that after and during the end of the war, a lot of the leading Nazis felt they had been played and tricked by the Zionists. We lost.

>Greekboos never cease to amaze me, I understand that you love to roleplay but it's time to let it go.
>Democracy is a defeated ideology, it will never be able to garner enough support again because it's seen as a LOSER and Communism is going the same way, to the dustbin of history, both only to be perpetuated by bunch of fags pretending to be a history reenactment society.
>It's over kids, it's time to look at the future.

t. ezkiel shelkelwitz

so you want to work on a farm with a gun to your head, just to get basic rice and water at the end of the day?

Italians truly are the worst, i go out of my way to annoy them IRL

Yes. You will have even worse conditions in coming decades anyways.

In 30 years you'll still be on the internet bitch about "why didn't muh hitler won", "It's all XYZ fault!"

Italy was not really prepared for war when it started but a delay to the start of the war gave the soviets a larger advantage. So it is kind of a shit situation to be in.

>gaming
>technology
>great medicine
>can live until like 100
>opportunity
etc

explain to me what is so bad?

What are you living for?

I, for example, wouldn't need all that in stalinist USSR. Opportunity was still present though; tech too.

travel the world?
take interest in tech?

I mean, I could go on

who the fuck wants to live in anytime before the 1990s?

Go away Varg.

Back to your farm with no running water or electricity.

No, I think Hitler did it to himself. Italy imploded for its own reasons. Fascism is not a great model for successful government, is it?

Nobody told Italy to invade Greece

Reminder.

Hitler did send 2 or 3 divisions of waffen-SS to Italy, just to keep Mussolini safe and keep up the peace.

So yeah.

Imagine you travelled it, so? Took intrest in tech? What does taking intrest in tech ever accomplish alone?

Who does? I fucking do. I hate modern society. It's built around nothing because of fucks like you. You will end this civilization.

I am unironically moving out of the city to such a farm soon. With energy and water though; there is still a clean river in proximity.

>should of
>would of

Stop it ffs.

>I hate modern society. It's built around nothing because of fucks like you. You will end this civilization.

well go and play AnCap Rambo in the woods then.

I'll be in starbuck or whatever, coding. We're the only ones brining civilization forward, not down

Have fun in the next decade, my delusional friend.

>who the fuck wants to live in anytime before the 1990s?

A lot of people that grew up before 1990s.

>no shitskins.
>better real wages.
>reasonable housing prices.
>almost no unemployment.
>job security.

Essentially everything except technology has gone worse in almost all western countries.

musso did it to impress and surprise hitler,but he failed miserably and all went to shit.
il duce was too butt-hurt and arrogant to admit that italy wasn't ready for war,he also was butt-hurt about the trasformation of germany with hitler

I will. I'll be in space, or fucking my anime waifu in VR

Unrelated question, but what the fuck was Spain doing for the entirety of WW2?

A lot of Italian solders would just surrender and get captured as they didn't really agree with Mussolini or the Nazis, I mean the guy got his head cut off at the end so he musn't of been that great.

>Who does? I fucking do. I hate modern society. It's built around nothing because of fucks like you. You will end this civilization.

Is Russia really that shitty, or are you just an edgy teenager who still lives with his parents? You'll grow out of it, kiddo.

To be expected of you. Don't forget to pay your ISP maintenance though, you don't want your vital implants to be suddenly shut down do you?

Covertly helping Germany. When they began to lose, they stopped and became completely neutral.

Recuperating after a bitter civil war and Franco taking time to consolidate power. He helped out the Axis where he could - let Germany and Italy use his harbors and whatnot.

This. Can't deny the truth you larping nazi faggots.

It's the other way around. Hitler got too aggressive too early. Mussolini himself said Italy wouldn't be ready until 1942/43. The southern half of the country was borderline third world at the time.

>Covertly helping Germany. When they began to lose, they stopped and became completely neutral.

Weird, a fucking ryssä telling the truth.

Spain gave Germany a great deal of people to become a part of Waffen-SS.

Too bad the division was disbanded in 43 or 44

The main reason he failed is that he sent undersupplied troops over some of the biggest mountains in Europe during the dead of winter, against a people that had been fighting ever since they got freedom from the Ottomans. Absolutely awful decision making.

You do know the Poles were exterminating Germans by the tens of thousands in between WW1 and 2, right? You think Hitler just woke up one day and decided to invade?

You sure were happy to use our shit when we sent you fighters,cannons and ammo,tho.

Very true, Italian tanks were pathetic. They actually did have a very capable navy, gave the Brits a run from a little while. Fourth best of the war after US, Britain, Japan.

>Weird, a fucking ryssä telling the truth.
Don't generalize as much; from what i know, russians on Sup Forums, given they are not 2ch rapefugees, are usually high tier posters.

Spain did very clever policy; in fact, if Hitler wouldn't fuck up at Dunkirk, Franco probably would join the war.

Yet, Mussolini started to rush into Balkans and North Africa, in both cases diverting German troops and tying 'em to occupation after Italy failed miserably.

>Weird, a fucking ryssä telling the truth.

Nothing weird about that. While a lot of Russians been quite heavily brain washed about history, still there are lots of who look for sources other than Russian propaganda and figure out that reality is somewhere in middle of narratives coming from different sides, western and Russian.

>Spain gave Germany a great deal of people to become a part of Waffen-SS.
>Too bad the division was disbanded in 43 or 44

Spanish volunteers to Germany were actually quite unique case, they were only major foreign volunteer group that weren't part of Waffen-SS. Kinda somewhere on par with Finnish SS-volunteer battalion where most nazis were actually prevented from joining by Finnish state police.

No wonder, we were natural at backstabbing our allies.

>space

Lmao no money for space m8, get back to work.

You need to work extra hard to pay welfare for Muhammad while he's giving your kids the kebab.

>rely on italians to be on time and get shit done
Jukka please..

yeah while you pay for Jamal and Paco ''fo dem programs'' while they also racemix the hell out of your own white women.

I would say japan fucked over the germans. If they had attacked the USSR instead of the USA. The Soviets would of being fucked fighting a 2 front war.

Wrong

Hitler lost because Japan fucked up Syberian front and stoped fighting. And later attacked Murica fearing that they may enter the war on the allied side

If Both Japan and Germany would have attacked Russia on two fronts the war would have been over in 6-12 months,

What happend is Germany pushed to Leningrad, Moscow in just a couple of months, Then russia winter set in, and gave the Russians enough time to redeploy from middle of syberia troops and send them to their deaths keeping at bath the germany war machine.

Tooked them 2 years to move production from the front as most was closer to europe, and took them also 2 years to pour men from all across Russia to push the germans back

With a two front attack, Russian wouldn't have been able to bring enough men and Moscow would have fallen the following year.

Britan would have starved
France was already ded
USA didn't give two fucks as long as it would be able to sell crap to europeans killing each other.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Japanese_border_conflicts

Japan stopped fighting in central Asia in 1939

They tried to bite more then they could chew, and got rekted.

>Hitler lost because Japan fucked up Syberian front and stoped fighting.
And they would have kept losing, are you even sound in your mind?

On USA... do you even know why Japan attacked them? Any guesses?
>USA
>Free trade
Holy...

yo we're not all from the south kek southern are more or less niggers whitened

southern europe starts at trento

wat

How could we?
Tell me ONE, just ONE, episode in history where Italy doublecrossed ANYBODY. I DARE YOU.

>Hitler lost because Japan fucked up Syberian front and stoped fighting

Japan didn't have road network to operate in Siberia, while USSR had Siberian railway for logistics. Japanese invasion to Siberia would have ended up in bloody stalemate with USSR having logistics advantage in Mongolia, but lacking logistics to push further into Manchuria.

Reality is that Italy fucked up and delayed Barbarossa by stupidity in Balkans, few weeks earlier invasion with bit more of good weather might have things much worse for USSR, but probably end result would have been same, just bit more bloody on Russian side.

>And later attacked Murica fearing that they may enter the war on the allied side

Japan needed oil desperately, US was their main source for that before war, they embargoed Japan before war. If they had invaded Indonesia and Malaysia to get oil without dealing with Philippines and US Navy their flank would have been wide open for Americans. Who would have used the opportunity, even without obvious casus belli like Pearl Harbor. Japanese hand was forced. They failed to destroy US Pacific Fleet.

Once they started to lose naval attrition warfare against US they were done. War in Pacific was done deal after Guadalcanal and Midway.

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meme

>Tell me ONE, just ONE, episode in history where Italy doublecrossed ANYBODY. I DARE YOU.

WWI on moment it started.

>defensive pacts
>holding value in aggressive wars
user

>implying entente wasn't the aggressor as shit got serious due to Russian mobilization.

All it takes to wreck an continent is one colossal idiot.

Then again some more colossal idiots can drain entire Italian supply of bravery in one river valley for century or couple.

What's that noise? Oh shit Muhammed is in bed calling for you, time to put your wig swedencuck.

ww2 has very little to do with germany, or hitler, and very much to do with what happened IN germany.

So, you tactically minded, how would Germany dream to take over the USA?

Didn't Finland use german weapons and equipment?

or maybe because you are shitskin arabs?

At least we ain't beta cucks that will soon be replaced by arabs.

This

Um, yeah. You bitch about immigrants but it's a two-way street

>Didn't Finland use german weapons and equipment?

A lot mixed weaponry. German, British, French, Italian, US, captured Soviet equipment and some domestic designs.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_G.50#In_Finnish_service

Im glad the Italians were smart enough not to have their country firebombed. If anything it was Hitler who ruined the good that Italian fascism had going on.

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>Venice
>Italy
LMAO

Kek

Every single country in the axis picked the wrong fights and fell to them, some in different scale than others but that's how it went to shit.

Austria violated the terms of the Treaty
They had to inform Italy that they wanted to go to war before declaring war, which they didn't, speaking only to the Germans
The Treaties stated that if Austria was to expand its territory into the Balkans, Italy should have received some land to keep their balance in the same status quo, which the Austrians straight up refused after 1 year of talks
So Italy saw that it was evident that Austria-Hungary didn't even consider Italy as an ally but as a dog on a leash to command on a whim, so they righteously declared the treaties broken and joined the Entente