Fascism VS Democracy

I have been thinking about this a lot lately. I've slowly become more and more redpilled to te verge of embracing fascist ideology. Is fascism a better form of government than democracy? Can it save us from the Islamist and Jewish threat the West faces today?

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You misspelled Fascism VS Capitalism.

Feminism is Fascism so OP is a faggot

Look at videos and photos of fascist germany and what do you see?

You see a people who are more vigorous and enthusiastic about their fascist dictatorship government than you have EVER in your LIFE seen people get over democracy. If you gave those people a vote between democracy and fascism they would vote fascism every time.

There's more to it than such a simplified case I put forth, but we don't functionally live in democratic establishments, or rather our "democracies" are worse for the general population than just about everything prior has been. Maybe they were good once, but today a democracy is more like a smokescreen for those wielding the actual power in society - which appears to largely be elites/jews, secret societies/intel agencies, and corporations.

I am personally in favor of a direct democratic system similar to switzerland, but I would take a nazi dictatorship over the crap we have in Canada in a heartbeat.

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Trump is a fascist apparently so it is not that good

Fascism is an horrible ideology that led to the worse atrocities mankind ever experienced.

We're lucky to live in a democracy and you should embrace it.

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Fascism can be really good or really bad.

Democracy is always a slow slide towards mediocrity. Its only advantage is that it's more stable than fascism, because when something goes wrong, the public squabbles amongst themselves instead of being able to pin blame on a singular authority.

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>oy vey goy, remember, Hitler was an oppressive dictator and everyone hated him!

Women are followers by nature and need a strong hand to guide them. Women are the happiest when men lead.

You're learning my friend. I was where you were once, and I thought the glory of National Socialism and Fascism was all there could be. Little did I realize Traditionalist Monarchy was the true ideology-- a composite of all I believed refined by the ages.

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Fascism is very very good if used as a transitional ideology. Democracy is incapable of making decisions that hurt in the short term but help in the long term.

The most obvious example of this is creating a virtuous population. To turn a degenerate population into a virtuous one requires very strict laws, tough enforcement, and loss of some of the formal legal practices. ie Duterte extra judicial killings. No one likes to have their freedoms reduced, and simply will vote out the people who enacted the ruling the next election undoing all the progress made.

Immigration is another example. Because it sucks a lot for the immigrants here that need to be deported they fight hard to stay, and vote in high numbers against anyone who wants to expel them.

In the long term both of the above examples leave a better civilization that can be given back freedoms without the degeneracy and decay we see today.

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I'm sort of a mix of 7 and 9
I can go on and on to my family and friends about the idea of traditionalism and monarchy, but ultimately it leads nowhere. I'm considering taking the iron pill and taking the steps to becoming a leader of a movement of some kind.

Good chart though, gets me everytime

>10: The nuclear family is the most important defense against decay and degeneracy

Why is the right so blue pilled on the nuclear family? It is what destroyed white family unity. The extended family is far more natural, and offers a smoother transition from your family to society. We should try and bring back the natural, tribal, and strong large extended family living in the same house/neighborhood.

No point reading a bunch of opinions from larpers when the man, the legend himself - George Lincoln Rockwell gave a speech explaining the answer at length with great accuracy.

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You cant call yourself a Sup Forumsack if you havent listened to what this man had to say.

There's a tradeoff with democracy that Tocqueville theorized. The tyranny of the majority is what he feared most from it. What we see today in our society is a direct result of this tyranny. The uneducated and irresponsible became the majority and (((they))) took advantage. This is why Jefferson said our liberty must be preserved with the blood of patriots and (((tyrants))). It's just that now, (((they))) have gained so much power that I think a Fascist revolt or some extreme burning nationalistic movement will cleanse the tree of liberty

>It is what destroyed white family unity
Expound, please.

Rockwell is probably turning in his grave knowing the US Nazis are run by skinhead white trash.
Rockwell always sounded and looked like a upstanding citizen.

so, you want clans. like in oil-barrel capitalism and communist china?

Agreed.

You meant to tell me that Nazi propaganda makes the NatSoc regime look favourable? Say it ain't so.

>A drawing vs a photograph with thousands of people

Fascism is effective in the sense that it gets things done in the short term due to much lower bureaucracy and less opposition. Combine it with a good economic policy (more or less what Pinochet did in Chile) and it will also be successful in the long term.

lol nice illustration

Germany --> photos
Soviet ----> drawings

wow, you really made an argument there!

Freedom can only be tolerated and upheld by the righteous.

The righteous demand Liberty.

As the people become wicked freedom becomes oppression.

My point was that it's propaganda, every authoritarian regime has it.

>Stalin
>photoshopped his pictures to take out political opponents

>Nazi's took unaltered pictures

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If you're an authoritarian, you're either a megalomaniac or a fucking cuck who needs an alpha leader to run the country (and fuck your wife) because he's hopelessly insecure.

Okay so you would give up your freedom and your rights to be a prisoner for the rest of your life? Kek just stop fighting the left and SJWs. You both want the same garbage in the end

maybe the germans actually liked their goverment. maybe because the german goverment didn't slaughter them in gulags like the soviets did. just saying.

Fascism is an extremely effective political system. It depends on the characteristics of the fascist (authoritarian) regime, however.

Freedom as a concept has been hijacked. One has no individual freedom in most places in the west these days, because others have the freedom to prey on them in their own homes.

LOL

So what is this in your mind?

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Sometimes I feel that real libertarianism does not even contradict NatSoc or fascism - like that there is an ideological bridge

>good economic policy
>the Chicago goys
Neoliberalism is incompatible with fascism dude. The interests of international corporations will trump national interests every time.
Or you want shit to actually get done. My country basically has 0 national sovereignty, our PM openly says that he's working for the EU.
I'm not saying that they didn't, what I'm saying is that people ITT are presenting propaganda as evidence.
Propaganda. It doesn't make it right, now does it?

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the fuck is this?

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So what is Propaganda?

And why is it never right?

We can pick either propaganda that is for our group or against our group.

What people like you do is object that we should abolish all propaganda while the propaganda that is against us is continued every day, effectively furthering our extinction.

Pretty much everything is better than Democracy.

>I'm not saying that they didn't, what I'm saying is that people ITT are presenting propaganda as evidence.
if true, it's valid evidence.
protip: it's true. I'm german. I asked my Grandparents.

Swedish propaganda to make room for the new Swedes.

here with subtitles
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That would be because you're absolutely right. Economically, the two systems are disparate, but socially and culturally they strive toward some of the same ideals.

Modern-Day (((libertarianism))) has been stolen from true believers to mean all the drugs you can ruin your body with and senseless dissolution of laws, which is more akin to Anarchism than any actual solid libertarian theory.

In any case, for example, there is a myth that Hitler disarmed the German citizenry. This is simply not true. However he did disarm the jews, as a direct response to the attempted Jewish-led communist uprising of 1919.

We're lied to about Fascism all the time. Read the original texts if you can get ahold of them. Might be difficult for you as you are German and this stuff is tightly controlled in your country.

Same.

I have to add though that I have to dig a bit to bring up the positive feelings because denazification, propaganda and the punishment starvation had a big effect on the psyche of my grandparents.

Democracy has led to degeneracy and incompetent political figures taking power and fucking everything up, lying to the people and taking money from private interests groups and corporations.

Come fight for your people, tradition, history, culture.

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you guys are fucking retarded. Please fuck off back to Sup Forums you edgy nu/pol/ pseudo-intellectuals

>when the Russians are willing to throw endless unarmed soldiers at you because they don't give a shit about their own military men
>when the US shows up a few years into the war while they're fresh and finally have an unquestionable advantage
>when the UK was going to lose, but the US decided to feed them oil and supplies to keep them going

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jesus christ man that video sent me over the edge, haha

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My granddad traded a bring back tokarev + ammo at the trainstation in the open and nobody gave a fuck.

I own Mein Kampf, the original German table talks and other stuff, I know that they are lying to us.

One of my grandmas said "Who got put into a KZ did something to get him there".

Three reasons why Democracy sucks

>1. It can be manipulated

Compared to authoritarian leadership, democracy is flawed in that it can be manipulated in any number of ways. People with enough money can not only fund the campaigns of candidates for any position of office, they can be payed to disseminate whatever legislature their benefactors deem important. This leads into my next point;

>2. The citizenry

The relationship between citizen and state is precarious at best under democracy. In cases like America, where a man or woman only has to be 18 years old to vote is very detrimental. One does not need to contribute anything to his or her nation to have this right, it's simply granted to you for free. This leads to people making very poor decisions in the matters pertaining to their nation and the consequences of such only become apparent when its right in their faces. One example being Women, and how their voting habits all point to them wanting an increase in government in the lives of all citizens, despite some not wanting such a thing.

>3. It's less efficient

Because of so many different factors (which is hard to point out in only one post,) Democracy is less efficient than an Authoritarian regime. If one man who cares deeply for his people, and his nation, has rule over all, then that is better than many different people being "elected," many of whom care not of the citizenry and are only in it for money. Legislature never gets passed in America unless someone is giving out enough money to make sure its passed. It's even so bad here that foreign governments like Israel have lobbies with which they shill for certain legislature. In an Authoritarian regime, there would be no such occurrence.

I must warn you however, that an Authoritarian regime can only work if the leader is competent. If he is malevolent and evil, then that is no good of course, think of Stalin. But if he is a genuinely good man like Hitler, then by all means one like that should lead.

Well argued...wtf I hate Europa now, I guess open borders are the way to go, thanks!

Republic is better. You just can't let society degrade. It is easier to keep that from happening in a Republic than any regime with more concentrated power structures and rigid systems that may look good on paper, but don't work in reality. You really need leadership that wants to and knows how to do what is good for the country in any case.

>So what is Propaganda?

"information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view." - Source: The Search Jew

>And why is it never right?

I never said that it was never right, did I? I said that it's heavily biased and propagandists never want to show you the whole picture, which is understandable. When you're pushing a political agenda you only talk about the upside and only show crowds full of happy people.

>We can pick either propaganda that is for our group or against our group.

Right?

>What people like you do is object that we should abolish all propaganda while the propaganda that is against us is continued every day, effectively furthering our extinction.

No, I don't know where you're getting this from. I am in favour of propaganda that pushes our agenda, but buying into the propaganda of our ancestors is silly. People here usually know more about NatSoc than the average person, so they are aware that there were downsides, especially if you're a "free market" type of guy.

I don't want to continue our extinction, but the National Socialist shtick is over. It's too toxic now. We need new propaganda.

This thread has to be the most retarded on Sup Forums I've seen in a while. This is what happens when 12 year olds flock to your board. Notice the reddit spacing too

Funny because Hitler wanted the German Reich do be a Republic.

While Fascism is certainly more effective, the danger lies in the ability for those with ill intentions to gain control and become un deposable

Maybe he did, but he didn't go about it very well.

>If you try to make your text easily readable on a fast communication board to get your idea out there you are a redditor and a 12 year old

myself utterly BTFO how will I ever recover

One side of my family is Ukranian, my grandparents escaped the Holodomor in the thirties, and then had their Bulgarian village raided by the Russians in the 40's.

We're not necessarily on opposing sides here.

Even as Germany crumbled around them, the German people were loyal to Hitler and National Socialism until the very end. So much so that the West had to brainwash the entire country in a process called "de-nazification" just to defeat it.
Compared to the Soviet Union, which had to put down rebellions all the time and kept people within the borders (hence why it's called the Iron Curtain)

But sure, let's assume it's all propaganda. We can point to propaganda in democratic countries as well, does that mean everyone's miserable with democracy?

You can not have a republic as long as (((they))) still exist/pose a threat.

Your country is the best example for this.

Democracy is the worst. why the fuck would you ever accept that shit

Ideological children. Go back to /r/The_Donald where you can all be based pedes together.

>American flags
As always the no-question most dysgenic country in the West has these opinions.

No. The freedoms we have in America are the best way to counter these threats. Leftists generally tend to have more fascist ideologies despite calling anyone with a conservative value an "evil fascist nazi", and this is what is causing the freedoms of America to be compromised. Fascism is morally wrong; democracy is morally right.

I talked to my grandparents and asked them how it was.

The German propaganda is much closer to it than the allied propaganda.

Humans never frame subjects related to them personally in a neutral manner.

Nice try, but fascism is unstable. What we need is monarchy.

We are having a philosophical discussion about propaganda m8. You know humans can not be neutral. Each source is biased.

I just want to state that knowing how the victory of the allies looks like I would prefer the other side winning even if not everything was as shiny as presented in their propaganda.

You can't tell these reddit kids that. They've never read a book in there life. They think fascism is edgy and cool

(((((they))))) will always exist and that there is always a struggle to keep society from degrading. That does not make all means to an end acceptable, nor does it make the more extreme versions of, say the
>final solution
viable.

No we don't

monarchy would be a return to tyranny; giving the hillary's of the world ownership and control over nations again

Yes, have an incestous family in debt by jewish bankers rule the country!

>We are having a philosophical discussion about propaganda m8. You know humans can not be neutral. Each source is biased.

As I said, I don't have anything against propaganda, I'm not that type of guy. I was laughing at people taking propaganda as seriously as people did.

>I just want to state that knowing how the victory of the allies looks like I would prefer the other side winning even if not everything was as shiny as presented in their propaganda.

I said the exact same thing.

>I would rather go extinct than killing my enemies

Are you Canadian?

If we want a modern society that works we need to have a meritocracy/technocracy

Once society is perfected, what's left to vote for? Will we vote ourselves into degeneracy, decline, and devolution? Leaders will become maintainers of the perfect utopian order, not reformers of it. Would you vote away Utopia? Would you vote away Nirvana? Of course not, that would be a moral misdeed, a sin.

So you believe Hitler truly knew his enemies and the proper way to end the degradation of society by blaming particular subcultures and wanting to reinvent the German culture with some asinine and whimsical notions?

holy shit, get the fuck off this board you nigger.

This is the most bluepilled post I read here in half a year

1. Fascism beats the wardrums until frenzied people start looking around at their borders for a boogeyman to go slay, even if one doesn't exist.

2. Fascism is limited by the benevolence and ability of its glorious leader. You could promote a Ron Paul, smart as a whip with a burning desire to genuinely improve his country. But then he dies and you get a Rand Paul, dim and more out for himself. More open to personal enrichment from corporate bedfellows.

fluster and bluster without saying anything: the post

>1. Fascism beats the wardrums until frenzied people start looking around at their borders for a boogeyman to go slay, even if one doesn't exist.
No it does not

>2. Fascism is limited by the benevolence and ability of its glorious leader. You could promote a Ron Paul, smart as a whip with a burning desire to genuinely improve his country. But then he dies and you get a Rand Paul, dim and more out for himself. More open to personal enrichment from corporate bedfellows.
That's monarchy, not fascism.

A Republic/Representative Democracy is the obvious answer, OP. Fascism is ripe for abuse by a small group of un-elected officials, while Democracy is ripe for similar abuse by the low-IQ, emotionally-driven masses. I'm willing to restrict the vote to land-owning men, too, by the way.

checked, brudder

Well it did work in a way.

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re-read your entire post and tell me if you can't find any contradictions

>Fascism is ripe for abuse by a small group of un-elected officials, while Democracy is ripe for similar abuse by the low-IQ, emotionally-driven masses.

That's incorrect. Democracy is ripe for abuse by those who control the flow of information the masses receive. The masses in their aggregate wisdom actually make extremely good decisions, but not when the information provided to them is insufficient or outright false.

Contrary to your assertion that democracy is ripe for abuse by the low IQ emotionally driven masses, it is actually ripe for abuse by the media, propogandists, corporations, and whoever has the means/money to buy off a political representative so he no longer represents the interests of his constituency.

That's why a better system than representative democracy is direct democracy; like the swiss have.

dito, breh

>muh safe space
I am actually a very conservative person, and am all for cheesy propaganda on what society should strive for. But you also need enough people who know that it is cheesy propaganda, and which is propaganda that strives for acceptance of things which should, in fact, be worked against.
You have swallowed the true blue pill.

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You do realize that Hitler wanted the transform the Reich into a republic, not a democratic one though, after the final victory, dont you?

Former republican here. Here to tell you why democracy is dead, and why I now embrace fascism.

The problem with democracies is that they are founded on 'rights'. But to speak of 'rights' by themselves is contradictory to reality. 'Rights' are merely the fruits of labor, or responsibilities. This is why democracies will always fail: people accord themselves 'rights' without according themselves responsibilities, until the system simply collapses under the weight of these co-called 'rights'. Fascism does not give men 'rights', but only responsibilities.

Democratic men always speak of 'freedoms', but there is no meaning in their societies. Thus, although one is 'free', one has nothing of spiritual worth to pursue, other than money of course. Fascism does not give men 'freedoms', it gives them meaning: tradition, family, self-improvement and the overall improvement of one's people.

Democracy is essentially liberalism. And liberalism is essentially materialism. Women's suffrage means more 'politics' and therefore more 'media' and therefore more money. 'Civil rights' means preventing people from pursuing their spiritual goals in public - preventing them from surrounding themselves with like-minded men - and constrains them to what is supposedly 'rational', money.

Even if you cannot live as a fascist in public, the important thing is being healthy, finding good work and a good woman to give you lots of children. Fascism essentially means being the best person you can be, mentally and bodily, and making sacrifices to future generations, so your children can be proud and happy, as you are not allowed to be today. Have faith and patience and build bonds with your people. Once the world starts going to shit, we will all step in. The communists - Antifa - arming themselves is a good sign. This is how it started in the Weimar Republic.

Could you go into more details? I haven't read enough on what the intentions/plans were politically after the war was done.

Citation needed, NEETsoc.