What is the foundation of ethnic cohesion as a moral imperative? What arguments are there for it?
If we are so engage in a political solution (if there is one at all), or create a society after the dissolution of our current system, then the foundation of ethno-nationalism, or even just that ethnicity is important, has to not only be appealing, but also philosophical grounded.
Of course, there's the route that people often take here of citing IQ as a measure for worth. But wouldn't that just create the imperative to breed with those with higher IQ's, regardless of ethnicity? In this case blacks and middle-easterners will be unfavoured, but Eastern Asians and Jews will. And together there are more of them than us. Should we all breed with them? Positively discriminate against our own in favour of them? Science demonstrates that people are ethnically distinct. But as far as I know there is no solid, ground-shattering data which proves that people act morally or to create civilizations different on a biological basis. In response to the argument of history, people will cite chance, resources, and a lack of present consensus as means for doubt. This creates a trap for anyone who goes there.
The best arguments I have seen are based on the environment, entropy, and nature (Evola, tradition, virtue, and God). The argument goes something like this: nature exists, and it is good that we follow it because it must be, and this is natural law. In nature, the environmental differences creates diversity. This plethora of diversity is good because it is natural for it to happen, and we ought to follow it because of this. I respect all ethnicities, as I respect animals, because of this. They are all good and should remain until we are swept away. Therefore I should protect my blood.
The problem comes in gathering a moral imperative form this (disputes in religion/God), though, and it's more a description in my view.
What other arguments are there. Is there anything to add?
Why have one thing when you can have a variety in harmony.
Those that think we all need to be the same to be at peace are honestly patronising themselves.
In summary, I can't think of an argument for ethnic cohesion, hence my opinion of being against it still stands.
Landon Young
Didn't you just conclude the opposite of what you said? Isn't a variety of cultures and people the opposite of all being the same? Food and arts have always been exchanged. That isn't the same as a monolithic, global culture. Just the same as ethnically cohesive units are not the same as a monolithic, global culture.
Josiah Young
As a Euro living in America, I can tell you that the different white nationalities don't mean shit. You're just white. People just see you as white and you are surrounded by....white Americans but it's not like pure European white. It's weird but Americans really are a melting pot of white and it's jarring to see at first.
Aiden Cook
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Jace Green
Ethnic cohesion definition; "The action or fact of forming a united whole."
By variety in harmony I mean sustained in their origin lands without conflict.
As for the latter statement, I meant that as in all the same world wide/existence.
Luke Garcia
ask the Jews, first.
Christian Wilson
what were you trying to say? It seems set in stone from what you said that the world will be some mixed jew brew but you totally disregard culture and the culture clashes on the way.
Luke Rivera
Of course, because people went there with the desire to adhere to a more secular society with anglo-saxon laws. Europeans are closer together than not. Historically and otherwise. But I can tell you that it used to. German-speaking towns and places existed prior to WW1, and certainty it did matter in the centuries after its foundation.
Is what you're saying a moral statement. Are you saying that is good. If so, aren't you for the tacit dissolution of European peoples for a slightly more common goal. If that's the case, why not undermine it further and go straight to 'all people are the same' insofar as we can all have things in common as humans because we have a common ancestor. It seems to me that you're giving an inch, and therefore giving a mile.
Mason Murphy
Too much to answer... Ethnic cohesion has numerous advantages to a nation >Crime rate is significant lowered > National/tribal identity gives citizens a sense of pride and belonging > Shared language, heritage, hearth of ethos, etc creates a more harmonious democracy I could go on for pages, man
Grayson Johnson
I'm trying to say that will be the consequence if we don't come up with a SOLID moral, philosophical reason for ethnicity as something worth preserving. Or even race.
I've seen on Sup Forums a lot of shit about IQ and how we should use that as a measure for goodness. But that would just mean we ought to breed with Jews and East Asians, because they often have higher IQs. So what then is the moral basis of genuine ethnic diverse peoples and cultures being good?
From other comments it's I've been mistaken in thinking this was about some horrible world wide ethnic cohesion of brown people.
Dylan Hill
I'm not saying it's better, but it's not bad. I went from Norway, an almstt100% homogenous environment to Burgerland, a huge clusterfuck of ethnicities. Europe I feel should stay the way it has in the past, but let America be...America. Purge the nonwhites though.
Samuel Peterson
>Purge the nonwhites though.
Why? I'm serious. Why? What moral foundation is there for that? Isn't it just a nihilist game of power then? If that's the case, you've fallen for (((their))) tricks in some ways.
David Taylor
Just deport them for goodness sake, no need for violence.
Ayden Powell
Even so, why? Why should we single them out, and favour our own. This is what I'm trying to get people to discuss, because people take it for granted that we ought to. There has to be a solid reason.
Ian Davis
Because in the year 3000 we still want to exist as a race. The best option in my opinion though is deporting the criminal ones and just banning miscegenation.
William Kelly
Purge as in physical removal. Violence only if necessary.
Easton Jackson
Why? Why is race important?
Lincoln Cruz
Socially not much but identity wise naturally to people it is. Not to mention when we colonise other planets, we could find that after years of being the same on earth we're very different on Mars and hence because we've been so similar for so long we may culturally forget our etiquette when it comes to prejudice with race.
Otherwise it comes down to my mentality of preservationism where I hate anything going out of existence.
Nicholas Martinez
Racemixed children have a higher chance of having mental health issues, think of Elliot Rogers and Facial Abuse Girl. GTFO nigger.
Cooper Sanchez
Alright, then you've bought the argument that I said in the OP. You just haven't flushed it out.
Read it again, you misunderstood me.
Bentley Clark
I think in the end though people are too socially connected to sex for miscegenation to ever be democratically banned in a multi race country, at least in the very liberal ones.
That's my point.
Isaiah Sanchez
Okay, I agree. The plebs needs to be rallied by something and judaism(can't sum it up quicker) has damaged us with atheism and general identity theft.
Prehaps we rely on collapse to happen for someone that's not versed in politics but bravery, spirit and cunning to rise forth with something new when the time is right. The people need to see to be saved and in such an event one or many strong person/s could inspire them in ways not possible in todays abundance.
When that time is there, the now desparate masses will bow to group pressure as always, not trust the tv and the more muscular, spiritual and pure will have truer words than costume narcissists to most, hopefully.
As for how to inspire, technology is just as bad as bankers, but both will crash and both have enemies.
I don't know, lead and when shit hits the fan lead over your old boss due to natural spirit ringing more true at the time.
Nathan Ross
This is because, as I've seen here in this thread, nobody seems to know why they want countries to be ethnically distinct, or for races to exists largely separately. They just do. The people here are wired to believe is passively, just like a normie would be okay with multiculturalism.
My point is that we need to make an argument for what we want if we want to see it. Those people you cited, they didn't get that way without someone arguing for it. So how are we going to counter it? With shit memes and 'muh IQ'?
I believe that will happen. Probably. But when it does why should we rally to ourselves as a people? As natives, and as Europeans? The old reasons will linger. The collapse will show that the past was unsustainable, and those with darker skin will be bred out in the dark, colder European climate. However, that's just nature in action. How are we going to create a morally backed culture which says that this is good? The only one I see is the one I mentioned at the end in the OP. But still, it's lacklustre and needs improving.
