Trump AntiOpiate Office - Pain Patients Human Sacrifice in War on DrugsT

Trump announced new drug war office. Christie, who banned patients whose pain isn't from cancer or terminal illness from opiate pain meds, plus head of White House Office Nat'l Drug Control Policy (he mentioned eliminating last week) & 12 stepper Patrick Kennedy, no one representing pain patients.
f opiate deaths are going up, why is the CDC going to ridiculous lengths to pad the numbers? A Dec 2016 report saying 59 people in MN 2006-2015, who died of pneumonia and had an opiate Rx should be counted as opiate deaths instead of pneumonia. Why scrape up every tiny numbers from years ago to boost the total? What kind of "epidemic" is that?

Why does CDC compare opiate deaths (a mashup of Rx, diverted Rx, counterfeit Rx, street heroin, street fentanyl and multiple drugs if one of is an opiate) to the annual average 32-33,000/yr car crash deaths? Why not compare opiates to tobacco's annual average of 480,000, many years after quitting or second hand exposure.?Or medical errors that kill 440,000 Americans/yr?

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Because the opiate epidemic was caused by pharmeceutical companies paying doctors to prescribe their pills.
Turns out when you flood the market with pain pills, buying those same pills on the black market becomes a hell of a lot easier and cheaper. Who would have thought.

So considering how the epidemic started, it is perfectly logical to target the prescription of opiate medication.
>but muh cancer meds
Literally is the reason why it was so over prescribed in the first place. I knew a very old, sweet lady who had lung cancer. She was prescribed 5 different types of opiates, all increasing in strength.
She could never take them because they made her so sick, but the doctors never listened so she sold them to me. I sold these pills for $50 a pop, when they cost her less than $3. From our chats, I learned that she knows of 4 other individuals (she plays cards with some of them) who do the same exact thing with their medication.

This is a problem caused by pharmeceutical companies taking advantage of cancer treatment plans. Do not let them redirect the blame to some other aspect of our society. They have been trying to do it for years now.

Absolutely nobody has any business taking Fentanyl. It's 50 times stronger than shooting up straight fucking Morphine.

What kind of pain could you possibly be in that would necessitate that, aside from cancer or dying, which as OP said, already has an exception.

Sneks need not reply, of course.

I remember Fentanyl first started making it's rounds as a plastic patch meant for topical application after surgery. Really, really strong shit that was used for skin graphs and shit like that.

Well, we would get the patches, snip them up, and treat it like dip or snus. Amazing high, crazy strong shit.
I dropped out of that nonsense before heroin started to get cut with fentanyl. I never encountered it outside of a patch, so cutting H with that shit is pretty crazy.

Some of those rare Neurological conditions that make your pain receptors go crazy might require it. But, they're very rare.

Have any of you considered that everything the federal gov sys about drugs, since Anslinger say marijuana kills people is all about scaring people?

How is it that more Rx opiates = more heroin on the streets? That doesn't even make sense.

there are 3 million people in the US with chronic severe pain not from cancer or terminal illness. Why should the US deprive people who need pain meds to work/function because Other People claim they can't keep themselves from breaking the law?

Law-abiding people with chronic severe pain are the last people who are going to let their pills wind up on the street. They are already treated like parolees.

Fed should provide free Heroin to all citizens that want it.

Thin the herd.

>Absolutely nobody has any business taking Fentanyl. It's 50 times stronger than shooting up straight fucking Morphine.
>What kind of pain could you possibly be in that would necessitate that, aside from cancer or dying, which as OP said, already has an exception.
I was in the hospital last year for 12 days, 3 of which were in the ICU, with a bacteria infection. Dilaudid (an analogue of morphine) didnt get rid of the back pain I had.

>How is it that more Rx opiates = more heroin on the streets? That doesn't even make sense.
That isn't correct. The increased prescription of opiates led to a staggeringly large amount of people to become addicted to opiates.
Eventually law enforcement wised up to the sources and started putting pressure on the doctors, hospitals, etc. So now the supply of opiate pills is drying up, but there are still a large amount of opiate addicts.

This is where Heroine comes into the picture. It is easier to make (like cocaine or meth), and has been made for a very long time. It is made in 3rd world nations so it is very cheap, so cheap that it was always cheaper than the pills in the "primetime" of the easy prescriptions (primetime was since 2009 maybe, hard to say but I remember it being an issue in highschool).

But now (around 2013 i would say, varies depending on where) that the police are cracking down and the supply of pills is disappearing, people start turning to heroine to get their fix.
This is where we are at now, with the pills being long gone and only the reliance on heroin to remain. It is only made worse that heroine is so shitty compared to pills that most need to inject to get the high they are after.

Shit gets really degenerate after the "honeymoon", to say the least.

>How is it that more Rx opiates = more heroin on the streets? That doesn't even make sense.
supply and demand. you get an rx for 30 pills from the pharma jew, then you get hooked and hit the streets. more people are ODing on legal drugs now than illegal

because they are all connected, like everything else you dipshit. Patients, especially in the US, and over-prescribed pain meds an wind up addicted. Then when their script runs out it is cheaper and easier to get dope than another script or blackmarket pills. We had a guy pass out in his car today, drive trough an intersection, in reverse, and crash into a fence. Right in front of where I work. And last month a girl OD'd in our bathroom.

The angle everyone is looking at this is so dumb. If the weak are culled in service of providing care to people in severe pain then so be it. The causes of drug overdoses in America need to be looked at from a sociological standpoint.

One of the best things Trump could do.

>If the weak are culled in service of providing the pharmaceutical jew with extra $, so be it.

Drug prohibition 100+ years
$1.5 trillion since Nixon was POTUS ($51 bil/yr)
35 federal agencies full time/mostly drug war/anti-addiction

Plus there is NO Way to know how many opiate deaths. 2/3 state have coroners, most no medical or science credentials - In 2007 IN had a coroner elected while in HS. GA requires HS diploma or GED. 1/3 coroners' offices have no toxicology lab. There's no standard deadly dose, like cyanide, because tolerance mens someone can not just survive but function on an amount that could kill someone if they got it all at once & never used before.

Tobacco causes predictable patterns of damage to every organ system in the body. Opiates can cause some slowing of lung/intestine function, but that goes away, unlike tobacco damage.


So you guys would rather that people with chronic severe pain from diseases/conditions that won't actually kill the person not get pain management? Screw them working, keeping house, traveling? Why should PAIN PATIENTS suffer for the behavior of others?

>>When you take 10 Fentanyl pills

I have chronic severe pancreas pain, been taking opiates, same dose 400 mg/day, hasn't increased in 17 years. Never shared/sold meds to anyone. Without pain meds, I am an invalid. There's more people out there like me than you might think.

Most chronic pain patients keep it secret because they don't want to be robbed of their pills.

I don't give a fuck if a company makes money off it, that is capitalism and it applies to any good. I care much more about people in severe pain being denied adequate care because all the doctors are afraid of a lawsuit or being in the news or whatever. We should be deregulating the stuff and fixing the problems at home (i.e. the reasons middle americans feel no hope and abuse drugs), not banning stuff willy nilly and furthering our ascent as a country into an authoritarian dystopia.

Live everything else you're not seeing the bigger picture and your myopia is going to drive this country straight to hell.

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I heard that nurses assistants in nursing homes would peel those things off people and chew them up.

If you take my fentanyl I will fucking stab you cunt

this

was in for second surgery in three days on a shattered arm. Woke up 10/10 insane pain. Couldn't scream, cry, or talk. Just laid there and rolled my eyes praying for death. One of the nurses literally said "that poor, poor man." Gave me more dilaudid than they give anyone; didnt. fucking. touch it.

gave me a norko pill and I was released in an hour. No pain at all for the following two weeks. Had never taken a prescription pain killer before or since

>Live everything else you're not seeing the bigger picture and your myopia is going to drive this country straight to hell.
You don't understand the reality of opiate addiction. It isn't some little cold you will away, and for every person that can "will" away an addiction, there are 4 more that pick up the habit from the previous addict. It is a contagion that leads directly to the dystopian country you seem to be worried about.

There is a way to get medication to those who need it without drugging the masses in the process.

>gave me a norko pill and I was released in an hour.
Norcos are actually weaker than Dilaudid. Not only due to the type of opioid they are (hydro-codone vs hydro-morphone) but because they're ingested rather than injected.

I know, but something about the make-up got to the pain, as to where the dilaudid may as well have been saline

>friend finds bit of patch in car; months old
>pops it in his mouth and sucks on it

Let me ask you guys to consider this:

If, as Everybody Knows, opiates makes people withdraw from doing Anything productive, so bad China executed opium users.

Why is it we imported men from China, who brought their opium (which was legal before 1914) to build our railroads?

They way opiates are claimed to make people so nuts (peeling off someone's pain patch to chew it?) are the same claims made about marijuana in the 1930s, but these days weed is bad because it supposedly turns you into a couch potato.

I bet any of you could name 5 organs tobacco damages. Name one that opiates damage (not infection from dirty needles, the opiate itself) Here's how much opiates don't leave a pattern of damage in your body. When Harold Shipman was tried for murdering patients with (legal in UK) heroin injections, he claimed he was doing maintenance on elderly addicts. They had to exhume 11 patients and send hair samples to look for signs of opiate use prior to that to dispute the "they were addicts" claim. Btw, they discovered his crimes not because of a suspicious death, but because he forged a will of one of his patients on his office typewriter.

>saline
It was weird, whith dilaudid as soon as i got the shots i would strongly smell saline. I know it is mixed with it, but im not sure why because it was being injected in to my IV and was barely exposed to the air. It certainly got me high though when they would give me those shots.

I was addicted to oxycontin and methadone that I was given by my family as a teenager. I am fully qualified to tell everyone else to 'suck it up'. The dystopia is the death of capitalism concurrent with the rise of authoritarian bootlicking and scaremongering.

If both parents are working full time to live paycheck to paycheck, dad is getting cucked, daughter's getting BLACKED and the entire family is one bad accident away from total disaster then who cares if mom is high on pills. We should all be given fentanyl rations with the way society is going.

You resolve this problem by fixing its underlying causes, not banning shit because it's scary.

dealers of these new opioids are basically terrorists with WMDs. Anyone trafficking/dealing fentanyl or carfentanil needs to go to jail for life, period.

you are making question the sketchiness of the hospital now. Incidentally, I got PTSD from the whole thing. That shits real

"You don't understand the reality of opiate addiction. It isn't some little cold you will away, and for every person that can "will" away an addiction, there are 4 more that pick up the habit from the previous addict. It is a contagion that leads directly to the dystopian country you seem to be worried about."

"Addiction" is an unfalsifiable premise. There's no physical way to separate "addicts" from "not addicts", plus if you question whether the label "addict" applies to you, that's "denial" which is counted as a symptom of "addiction".

"Addiction" is a claim we allow people to make to justify their bad behavior "I stole, but it was to pay for the drugs" as if street users have little spreadsheets so they make sure to spend their minimum wage money on rent and food and the proceeds of crimes for illicit fun.

If someone is caught for a crime that has nothing to do with drugs, but they claim to be an addict, there's a good chance they get rehab instead of jail, and maybe a 2nd chance from family, employer or court. This is powerful incentive to claim to be an addict.

Meanwhile, recreational users of any illegal substance have strong incentives to keep that stuff super secret because our government has spent decades encouraging employers, families (tough "love") and the public to shun anyone who uses but doesn't join the 12 step religion - 6 steps mention god, 0 steps mention quitting.

These opioids make a mockery of humanity and free will.

>you are making question the sketchiness of the hospital now.
if you didnt get high then they didnt give you dilaudid. or you someone have a pre-exisiting opioid tolerance from abuse or something, in which case those Norcos shouldnt have done anything at all.

>I got PTSD from the whole thing. That shits real
I did too, when I was in I had bilateral chest tubes installed for 7 or 8 days. One of them was installed improperly and they needed to adjust it. Getting them installed was fine, they gave me a local anesthetic and all i felt was pressure on my back when they cut me open and inserted them. They didnt give me shit when they adjusted them and I spend a few minutes screaming in pain and they pulled it out and pushed it back in over and over again. Then they made me roll around on my back for an hour to coat my chest with clot busting drugs. Afterwards i spent a few hours just staring at the wall in front of me wondering wtf just happened.

that's actually a good thing, opiates are for chinks

wahhhhh I can't get heroin from my doctor anymore wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

cry more cunt, i've had 5 chest tubes, they're nothing.

Waaa I want the government to take away medications from people who did nothing wrong but get a very painful illness

because "addicts"!

>i've had 5 chest tubes
that makes no sense at all

5 collapsed lungs bruv

Seriously, if 100+ years of prohibition, 1 1/2 Trillion Dollars, 35 federal agencies all/mostly drug war/anti-addiction haven't gotten one ingle drug off our streets, why would taking prescribed medications from people with chronic severe pain be the tipping point that wins the war on drugs?

When I was a kid my mom got in a bad car accident that left her in a full body cast with a shattered spine in the hospital for months. Then she had to come home in a partial body cast for a few more months before finally starting physical therapy. I didn't think much of it as a kid but the horrors she must have felt trapped in a cast for all that time between back surgeries is unimaginable to me. I pray for nothing more than a healthy life without any horrible accidents.

damn, glad you made it through (although you've seen life for what it is, sucks)

to clarify, I got PTSD from the whole injury and the nightmarish few days afterwards. Also, I never took an opiate before that in my life, never since, although every doctor I've been to thinks I'm an addict because of my hair and whatnot. Young men are getting dismissed pretty easily nowadays, they may be trying to kill us or get us to do it ourselves. They give me shit just trying to get my blood pressure pills. Shit's fucked

FUCKING THIS

you have to be a massive fucking retard to think that doctors do not over perscribe these meds. most heroin addicts come from legitimate users of these pills.

>"Addiction" is an unfalsifiable premise. There's no physical way to separate "addicts" from "not addicts", plus if you question whether the label "addict" applies to you, that's "denial" which is counted as a symptom of "addiction".

>why would taking prescribed medications from people with chronic severe pain be the tipping point that wins the war on drugs?


Being in pain is an unfalsifiable premise. Have you considered the possibility some of those people might be lying or exaggerating?

Talk to an ER doctor about how many faggots a day he has to deal with who are just clogging up his beds and when he asks what the problem is they go "well my back just hurts real bad so i want some pills"

>every doctor I've been to thinks I'm an addict because of my hair and whatnot
Odd, at the hospital around me they're constantly trying to push drugs on people. I went to the ER a couple times before that for a unrelated illness and the first thing they did was ask me if i was in pain and try to give me opiates. Most of the time when I was in the hospital I refused the drugs they offered and only took them when i had to roll around in bed for an hour every day. And even then only took Dilaudid because it was instant acting and their interventional radiology people were incapable of scheduling when they would come by or give me any advanced notice so I could take Norcos and wait for them to kick in. I also spent a lot of time arguing with them so I think they were trying to get me high to make me easier to manage.

BTW, pain patients don't just get pills from the opiate fairy. Pain patients have demonstrated painful conditions/diseases, and have to have a doctor in charge of that, on top of the pain clinic.

Here's the parolee lifestyle of the chronic pain patient: contract says you can only get pain meds from one doctor/one pharmacy (great until i was in the hospital for an operation, the surgeon won't let me discharge with pain Rx, but my doctor is out of the country and I don't want to get in trouble b/c contract), show photo ID to the one pharmacist (who knows my birthdate by heart) every time I pick up Rx, $200 urine tests every month to prove I consume/don't sell, meds, pay for doctor visit every month, last year they cut the allowed # of days for Rx for 30 to 28. Several years ago, pain patients were pushed into pain clinics instead of the doctors who treat the actual painful conditions and know the patients well taking care of the Rxing, but the pain doctor can't be your primary, you have to go to/pay for visits to a GP as well.

And I have NEVER been in trouble with the law over pills or anything else. It's default mode to treat pain patents this way.

Being in pain is an unfalsifiable premise. Have you considered the possibility some of those people might be lying or exaggerating?

Talk to an ER doctor about how many faggots a day he has to deal with who are just clogging up his beds and when he asks what the problem is they go "well my back just hurts real bad so i want some pills"

Studies in the 1990s showed that it's actually pretty easy to tell if someone is scamming for pain meds. That would be the people who have a criminal history, almost always for fraud.

On the issue of lying or exaggerating about pain to get chronic pain treatment,

have you considered that the people who get accepted into pain clinics have a documented medical record of a condition known to be painful, and a criminal record means no pain meds for you?

It's amazing how many people are so sure they know all about addiction and it turns out to be propaganda spewed by the government & AA.

I have actually developed a shitty, shitty non-pain related condition and was eventually sent to one of the best hospitals in the world and summarily dismissed. Afterwards, I read my file at the patient portal and there was something about condition being caused by possible opiate abuse. I struggle everyday to keep my head above water, but once you're branded, you're branded. They based this on my hair alone because otherwise I dress very well and communicate my thoughts similarly. Other than the week after my injury (like a decade ago) I have never touched a drug (well, pot)

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>They based this on my hair alone
I'm curious to see what you hair looks like since you keep bringing this up. Can you take a selfie and just mspaint out your face?

>How is it that more Rx opiates = more heroin on the streets? That doesn't even make sense.
One thing I can tell you is that a few years ago the pills went really epidemic. They were really easy to get. Then they finally cracked down on the trafficking and the pills became very expensive, so all those addicts switched to heroin.

Opiates suck for pain anyways. The only time it's any good for me is if there is some kind of pain that is keeping me from sleeping, it will make me fall asleep (but I will still feel the pain). It doesn't relieve pain, it's just a nice warm loving feeling

nothing special, just long in an uptight part of the country

"One thing I can tell you is that a few years ago the pills went really epidemic. They were really easy to get. Then they finally cracked down on the trafficking and the pills became very expensive, so all those addicts switched to heroin. "

That would be the timeframe when Mexican cartels started making counterfeit oxycontin pills out of heroin.

Opiates suck for pain anyways. The only time it's any good for me is if there is some kind of pain that is keeping me from sleeping, it will make me fall asleep (but I will still feel the pain). It doesn't relieve pain, it's just a nice warm loving feeling"

Opiates work great for my pain. Without opiates, it's a 9 and I can't even get out of bed.

How fucking new are you that you dont know how to green text or reply to a post. lurk more you retarded faggot.

Day One.

Same here. 2005 they became pretty easily available. $25 for 50 micro grams and $50 for 100.

One night we snipped a couple open and ate them off the end of a knife. A friend and I ran at a dead sprint for almost 2 miles and it felt like if you could get your legs to kick faster you could have broken records at a marathon. everyone took turns climbing up and down off the roof and Vomiting.

I got wise and started cutting the patches down to smaller squares and resealing the ends so I could drop the surface area/dose and I would stay blasted for days at work in the kitchen.

The joy of opiates is that it cuts you off from your body and emotions. You float around in a fuzzy warm state of idle bliss. You can perform heroic feats of endurance. The pain is in the come down. But even the pain is a joyous state after you become comfortable with the suffering. Sensations and emotions you forgot surface and it's like LSD. Everything is hyper real and immediate. People who cant kick opiates just aren't tough enough mentally to embrace the backlash

If you really want to see government make an industry rich, look into the 2009 Mental Health Parity Act, which requires all insurers to cover sleep-away rehab as if it were a medical illness. Combine that with the ACA, and the fact that there's no way to prove/disprove "addiction", it's a freaking gold mine for the same people/companies that also brought us bogus "in nine months I got a medical career" so-called schools.

Taking meds away from a patient isn't stopping a doctor from dealing that person heroin.
It's stopping that person from working, keeping house, travel, based on the idea that it somehow affects other people who might want to misuse such drugs.

"you have to be a massive fucking retard to think that doctors do not over perscribe these meds. most heroin addicts come from legitimate users of these pills."

This is not even close to true. Even the federal government doesn't make this claim.

you were doing it wrong, you should have opened one end and stuck your tongue in there. Lasts forever and nods you out pretty quick. They had the "sticker" kind too, it wasn't like the gel ones but I thought they always lasted longer. It comes in a lollipop form as well. Good times.

Nobody has an explanation of how depriving people with chronic severe pain will stop people from using heroin for recreation.

And you dont have an explanation about why are you are incapable of greentexting or replying to a post properly

Well, I figured out reply. The green texting...well I can't find a sideways ^ on my keyboard

because all societies are savage. That's the fucking red pill. That's why I didn't vote for this faggot and I don't give a fuck about nazi larpers in general. If we're overrun with "minorities" and reduced to third world, that sucks. But a perfect picket-fence society is brutal in it's own way. They punish the best among us at times and chalk it up "well, not me so fuck em." But rest assured, if any of these faggots and their greedy friends and family needed pain relief or just adequate medical care, they'd have it. If the law doesn't apply to everybody, it doesn't apply to anybody. Fuck these people and fuck this place

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fuck those people too

>What kind of pain could you possibly be in that would necessitate that

My brother in law whose spine is held together with pins because of a car accident when he was 29.

>well I can't find a sideways ^ on my keyboard
Are you 80 years old?

If the government hasn't eliminated a single street drug in 100+ years of prohibition, why would taking away meds from chronic severe pain patients be the tipping point that winds the war on drugs?

Are you just going to keep on repeating yourself over and over again? Talking to no one in particular?

Gas the boomers age war now.

No but apparently my keyboard is

Well so many people above kept sounding so sure they know all about addiction and how pain pills are distributed by doctors, so I wanted to see what they think is going to make taking pain meds from patients that will win the war on drugs when the efforts of literally tens of thousands of federal agents, cops, etc., 35 federal agencies & $1.5 trillion dollars has not succeeded?

Try to buy a quaalude.

I generally agree with you, but you are factually incorrect.

PS

Old age and treachery will beat youth and skill every time

Thats easy, make mandated after school activities. The only way out of this is if you show proof of a job. People do drugs because they don't have anything else to do, force them to do something and the urge to do drugs will dissipate.

Excellent, you can name one drug no longer available in the US.

Although I hear they are still available in south America.

Great, so you give the kids after school activities, like they never tried that for the last 50 years.

But what is the connection between that and chronic pain patients who have been completely law-abiding and under the supervision of an MD?

what part of mandated don't you understand?

I personally know 6 people dead from opiate abuse. I know at least 20+ people who are severely addicted including my own grandmother. This isn't a fake issue.

What par of "did it before" that you don't understand?

nigger WHEN

I destroyed my knee and back in a car accident and haven't slept a full night in one year, I thank my doctor every night for not giving me opiates.
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Define "dead from opiate abuse" that's a pretty broad term. Did any of them die from a giant dose? From a heart infection from dirty needles? Did any of them die with multiple drugs in their system?

I really don't mean to sound harsh, but with most American states having elected coroners with no medical or forensic credentials, 1/2 of coroners offices have no in-house toxicology, "opiate death" is basically a category on a form someone who got elected coroner and not dogcatcher filled out. Radle Balko has done really good reporting on this.

Another issue no one seems to consider with addiction is that people live up to - and down to - expectations and cues from others. I think people who self-identify as addicts often have similar psychology to someone in the 1600s who claimed to be a witch.

I'm not saying it's a fake issue, I am saying a lot of misinformation, mostly generated by the war on drugs and AA/NA has muddied things a great deal. Most of what Americans "know" about drugs comes from an organization formed by a literal stock swindler, Bill Wilson, who was looking for a way to get his wife off his back about not having a real job, who came up with the idea while on belladonna at a mental hospital, and pretty much borrowed the twelve steps from the quasi-religion "not religious but spiritual" organization The Oxford Group. There's no science in how it was created. If they just called it a religion, I would have a lot less of a problem with it.

Also, in the 1960s, a member of the board of AA did a study he thought would prove how great AA was for members, but instead he found that AA members were 9x more likely to die than people who drank & didn't join AA.

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You still haven't answered me but 3 of my friends died from heroin overdoses another 4 acquaintances died as well. Most of them were heroin users exclusively so most of them only had heroin in their system.

This place is full of cuckservatives larping as nazis because they can't admit the shame of not backing trump in the first place

If you see people shilling wars, or the war on drugs, you are talking too /r_theDonald

If it's about "saving people" then the logic isn't as direct as you'd think. Addiction isn't something you treat by scaring people, shit doesn't work. Real life is scarier than the idea of prison to most people, that's why they risk shit and take drugs to deal with it.

Drug courts are an option, as is legalization, but the most important thing is to get people medical and psychological care. If prison isn't dealing out life sentences, than I'd rather pay more for them to go to rehab because that has a much higher reformation rate.

Which question did I not answer? I don't see it in the post this was responding to.


Now you know 7 people who died from heroin.

But whether they used heroin and whether they literally died from heroin are two different things.

Having a drug in your system isn't the same as dying from it. Cyanide has a recognized lethal dose because people rarely ingest it unless someone is trying to kill them. But opiates cause tolerance, so someone can be walking around, functioning, with a huge amount in their body.

Another thing is that as the body decays, substances in the body move around, which screws with results, perhaps making them look higher than they were at the time of consumption. So the person may appear to have taken a higher dose than they actually did, and that is assuming there was a lab test of tissue, which there is unlikely to be in most counties in the US. Especially if someone has a history of using heroin, the coroner is likely to just mark the person as "opiate death", because it save the time & money of actually investigating the death.

I don't want to sound harsh. I am sorry you lost friends. I have lost a few in my time, too, none with an "opiate death" on their death certificate, but the losses are painful nonetheless.

your an actual fucking moron, my friends chose the needle don't pity them faggot

He doesn't understand lungs. Thinks you only have 2.

Fucking faggot, he won't even look it up after he sees this.

Do you think that if people didn't face prison, a criminal record, loss of education funding, careers blocked off because of past history, people might do different things if they find the use of a drug, or more than one, to be a problem?

We really should compare to alcohol, which was illegal for 13 years, and which led to people switching from beer to stronger hard liquor, tons of arrests for public drunkenness, loss of respect for law enforcement, and made the mob so much money they were still buying mansions on Long Island into the 1980s.

t. pain pill junkie who is sad that prices are about to go up for his next fix

Deal with it, faggot. Few people who are on pain meds actually need them, it's just that most people are weak faggots who think a sprained toe requires 6 weeks of Vicodin to function.

Blame the doctors who overprescribed and rekt it for everyone else, the powers that be are now just trying to put the genie back in the bottle before things get worse.

Thanks. I haven't had the opportunity to feel like such a noob in a long time.

I actually find it shocking that so many people, many of whom would surely tell you they are suspicious of big government, say things about drugs that come straight out of government scare propaganda and AA propaganda and completely ignore facts like the $51 billion we spend every year, the 35 drug war/addiction parts of the federal gov - when the freaking military only has 4 branches.

There is absolutely no science behind addiction or recovery, and I think that AA/NA worming its way into our government has opened the door for a lot of feelz over realz in other areas of our society and our government.

Wow, where did you get your medical training, you know so much about pain treatment in the US?

You called them friends. Some friend you are. I'm glad I'm not your friend. You sound bitter and heartless and you're using the deaths of people who you knew, but obviously didn't care about, to prop up your supposed knowledge about drugs.

>Pol is one person
Hmm, really makes me think.

most people here repeat ideas that were pumped into their heads so many times that they believe them to be their own. All you'll get is prepackaged answers and government acolytes who think themselves rebels

case in point , rinse, wash, repeat

lmao government is fucking retarded.

maybe we can show fat fuck Christie the climbing death numbers after the legislation and tell him to shut the fuck up and give people measured doses.

>Having a drug in your system isn't the same as dying from it. Cyanide has a recognized lethal dose because people rarely ingest it unless someone is trying to kill them. But opiates cause tolerance, so someone can be walking around, functioning, with a huge amount in their body.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithridatism