F35 is a flying turd

>F35 is a flying turd
>Americans think we should buy them

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> F35 is a flying turd
> flying
First you need include engine in basic modification.

what do you mean?

Oh you'll buy them.

MiG-29 all day.

Literally no Americans care what Canada does. You fags don't even need a military.

Buy Super Tucanos. It's not like you need anything expensive to patrol your borders.

The F-35 is what happesn when you try and create an all-purpose jet. It just doesn't work.

The same thing happened with the Bradley APC. Video linked below:

youtube.com/watch?v=aXQ2lO3ieBA

That's because you do our heavy lifting, goy. Chop chop, -someone- has to fight for Israel. By the way, I'll take good care of your dog while you're deployed. :^)

WTF DID SHE MEAN BY THIS

your cucked country will buy them regardless of what you think. even if you didn't, it's not like it would matter. of all the countries that most people have heard of, canada is the least relevant. your entire nation could stop existing right now, and i'm not sure anyone would notice.

Exactly what I was getting at, user.

w/e nerds

What the fuck did you say to me?

>America produces world beating planes like the F-15 and F-18
>F-35 wipes the floor with them in simulated combat
>is somehow bad

Try to imagine a global sattelite cluster out to about geo-1, with infrared and x-band capacity to steer a nuclear powered x-ray laser at your intended target.....

Altering it's isometric properties until it is no longer capable of semiconduction.

So, you know... try to show a little respect.

Try to imagine a substance that has negative EM-reflection.

Maybe even a globally designated targetting scheme comprised of coherent DeltaV phased arrays, guiding payloads to their targets.

Auto focusing optics for chemical oxide light amplification optical circuits?

Well, I don't play football, jackass.

So all you needed to shoot down a 30 million plane was three 120 million planes? How impressive.

Sources? I heared it was decent in over the horizon fighting, but medium or worse in und 20 miles combat range and even losed dog fights against old f-16 variants.

>Sources? I heared it was decent in over the horizon fighting, but medium or worse in und 20 miles combat range and even losed dog fights against old f-16 variants.

Networked Air Superiority Fighters.

I think you can combine all kinds of different things in one vehicle/platform, but it has to make sense. Amored troop carriers aren't really something that make sense anymore, get vehicles with a mine dedection capablieties and always let the infantry out before any bigger confrontation. It's little more in 21 Century conflict, than a coffein on wheels, motorizing infantry makes sense, but not makeing a secound Kind of tank Division out of them.

He saying our engines suck. He's just goofing around. Your thread OP sucks and he felt sorry for you and gave you a low effort sympathy bump.

We will see, my bet is it will be mostly ground attack and flying front line command post.

I am testing experimental bait. It seems if your criticize usa's military hardware and assets, the americans rage the fuck out and cry like retards.

Every two minutes.

Of course, we spent lots of money on that stuff. Emotional investment is kinda proportional to effort investment.

Top kek. I think we need to drop a couple more B's on custom helmets.

I see... Well then, time for a new thread I suppose.

Our military also thinks we should buy them.

>I am testing experimental bait. It seems if your criticize usa's military hardware and assets, the americans rage the fuck out and cry like retards.

/k/ here, I suggest you take the same general tack but find something new - a good one would be >russian artillery cannons have much longer range, America hasn't even upgraded the Paladin and it's old as fuck, what a bunch of fags. The F-35 in particular is badly played out, it's hard to get reactions anymore and there's too many quick macros to use against trolls.

Make fun of male pattern baldness this time. Tie it in to 'white weakness' somehow, low test or something.

Look at this slav talk shit about f-35. SAys muh russia jets is better.

youtube.com/watch?v=uZbqkxjAK8E

hmm ok this is good, I'm writing this down.

Is there any reason for a plane to be agile anymore? No?

Aspects like payload abd stealth are deemed more important

outdated pos.

sauce? haha

Yeah, and it's cheaper than an upgraded stealthed F-15, 16, 18.

buy the F22
as of 2017,it's cheaper

I know the feel, Aus is buying em aswell.

US is pushing their shit heap of flying metal on others to try and make up the money they lost.

i give it like 3-5 years and they will have a new Gen 5 or Gen 6 that will be produced as a replacement.

>We will see, my bet is it will be mostly ground attack and flying front line command post.

Why not just networked missile salvo while you are at it?

Maybe supported with laser emplacements?

That'd be fun.

If we wouldnt have killed the f-22 we wouldnt need the f-35

Didnt even know you did. What a shame, shit was neat.

I think part of the problem the F-22 is too badass to be used. No one even has an air superiority fighter that can come close to competing with it. If this were still the cold war and we were worried about Russia's new knockoff we might have kept it.

I still don't like the F-35 though.

>Sensible Englishman

>yfw the f-35 is shit is just a meme to trick the russians into attacking
>yfw it's superior
>tfw russians get btfo

>Sources? I heared it was decent in over the horizon fighting

That's all you need to be nowadays (pic related).

youtube.com/watch?v=zgLjNsB_hyM&t=58s

30% of my earnings are going towards things such as keeping Canada free and democratic
Show some respect

Well, they can fly far enough to fly right up to your borders.

youtube.com/watch?v=womfx5-FQPE

Implying the F35 isn't just a side project to keep mainstream attention.

People talk smack every new plane we come out with. In the end they nearly always end up on the good side of k/d ratios. Usually very high ratios. F35 will be no different. Sorry leaf, you suffer from wishful thinking and not much more than that.

The F-35 lost to F-16's during the global air combat training scenarios when the F-35 was new, had different software, and untrained pilots.

If anyone has spent any time playing WWII simulators, you might be familiar with the concepts of energy retention, energy fighting (and its subcategories, turn fighting, boom and zoom, etc). These concepts are still around in modern jet combat.

The US builds planes that are good at the same thing they were good at in WWII. The F-15, F-16, and F-18 are nearly unstoppable monsters because unlike the Typhoon (for example), the F-15/16/18 determine if they will win. The Typhoon can only win if the other pilot is stupid.

Since the F-35 lost to the F-16's, it's had its software upgraded two times, with more upgrades on the way. In particular, the first wave of upgrades were to remove some of the limitations from the flight control computer that prevented pilots from pushing the plane to its limits. This, in combination with the fact that the pilots of the F-35 at the time were pilots who knew how to fight in jets like the F-15/16/18 and were trying to beat F-15/16/18's in a jet that can't climb as fast, turn as fast, or fly as fast, well it was a scenario where the new jet was bound to lose.

Since then, at the same combat training exercises, the F-35 has performed at a 22:1 K/D or better.

You'll do what you're told, Canacuck.

beauty

interesting design, simply a wing with slats, no rudder visible

Fuck all and bring back the F-22 Raptors. That's a real fucking plane and much better than anything out right now. F-35 can't touch it, nothing in the world can touch it. The F-22 dominated the F-15 in every mock dogfight and will shred any plane before it even knows the Raptor is upon them.

scramjet, probably.

TR3-B/C/D/Z / TR4/ TRwhatever they're on now

God damned retard. Su-37 > any MiG related bullshit.

Having said that, F-22 > Su-37 > *

That's the plane that can reach Mach 20. Pretty cool, even if it sucks

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_Falcon_Project

Not this meme again.

This. I fucking raged hard when the USG and DoD killed it off. Mainly cause we had put money down for them.

The Raptor is the most jizz-worthy machinery out there right now. Well that we know about, anyways.

>Muh F35 thread
Brought to you by people who lack any expertise on the subject.

Further sponsoring provided by butthurt faggots who do not understand BVR engagements.

The F35 is above budget and behind schedule. By the end of its service life it will have been comparable in overall cost to any modern jet.

We are not buying shit, Trudeau delayed the decision to buy new jets until after the next election, just like every other Prime Minster for the last 30 years.

Hate to tell you, but American F-35s have a sensor and software suite that shits on the F-22. That being said the F-22 is being upgraded which will bring it into the new age.

>MUH TR3-B

Dammit, I wish someone would leak details on the Aurora.

Wish the Russkies would hack data on it, instead of rigging elections

>meme
>factual information easily researched on the internet between youtube videos of actual pilots and training reports

go back to the flat earth thread

It's not killed off you cunts. They just aren't making anymore, because we do not need anymore.

Also, you were NEVER going to get an F-22. They have always been strictly forbidden from export.

It's also old. You are now aware the F-22 was initially developed before most of you were even born.

>canada
>military

pick one

*blocks your path*

>Does everything better than F-16
>Uneducated retards believe the memes

BVR Dogfights are a meme. It gives the enemy fighter way to much time to dodge the missile.

In visual range the F-35 would be raped by an F-15

>BVR Dogfights are a meme. It gives the enemy fighter way to much time to dodge the missile.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*deep breath*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thanks for that excellent assessment there Top Gun. Really appreciate it.

You have 0 concept how modern BVR works. It's not a video game where as soon as you get locked or a missile is fired sirens and buzzers go off and you can just pull some Gs and evade.

BVR is everything now, even Russia and China understand this.

1. Fuck off. It WAS killed off due to cost analysis, done by the GAO.

2. We were slated to get 70-80 odd, with the option to buy more after our Super Hornets were fully scrapped, but the US Government hurr fucken durred all over the place about MUH SECRETS, WE DONT WANT NOBODY TO KNOW ABOUT OUR BEST PLANES SECRETS. Shit, we even helped fund it to a degree.

3. Well no fucking shit, Sherlock. EVERY fucking fighter has a 20-25 year experimental/design phase before a test jet is built.

Fucken kids these days.....

Nobody except the US owns the F22 you disgusting subhuman gypsy

Doesn't matter what we think. You WILL buy them. Make jokes all you want.

1. Killed off implies the plane has been scrapped. Production was stopped. It was determined we had more than we will likely ever need.

2. Australia discussed wanting F-22s internally. There was never an agreement or plan of any sort to export them on our end. Australia did not fund the F-22. That being said I would be fine with giving you cunts all the F-22s you want. You are great allies and good people.

3. The point is that the F-22, as dominant as it is, is quite dated on the sensor and software side, despite being more advanced than a majority of anything flying. There is an upgrade program for the F-22 on that front though which will make it scary as fuck good.

The fact of the matter is that the costs of the program have been (((grossly inflated))) but the F-35 is a superior jet that will last the US Military for ~50 years

You already bought them. We secured funding from partner nations before they are built.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_procurement

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah just use 60 year old planes that fall out of the skye because of old age,it would literally cost you nothing.....

Buy Gripen instead. Much more for every shekel.

...

Gripens are awesome jets. That being said the whole benefit of the F-35 is on the sensor fusion and software side. Given the US keeps its proprietary shit to itself, any first world nation still possesses the ability to put that capability to use developing their own.

The age of raw performance is coming to a close. It's all about information (both gaining and concealing). Hell, the F-22 has great raw performance but has never really had to use all of it to win in exercises against F-15s.

When you take away the sensor and software advantages it's still vulnerable. A great example being the F-22 that was "killed" in a joint exercise when restrictions took away its advantage on that front.

Yup. And you will. Because Trudeau.

It's not even the kind of plane that's the most useful in fighting wars anyway - we need more A-10s providing close air support but the Chair Force hates that plane with a passion.

And like you said, the kind of plane it is, is very mediocre at what it does. They keep saying it doesn't matter, it's supposed to be this computer that happens to have wings, but if so, why not just stick computers in a Cessna? It would be cheaper.

>why not just stick computers in a Cessna? It would be cheaper.
Really? It's still a capable multi-role jet. It has good loiter time, exceptional sensors and software and a decent payload capacity.

As much as I love the A-10, the main gun is better for scaring third worlders than it is killing them. GPS and laser guided bombs are what do the real work and the F-35 can deliver them with gusto. It also happens to be extremely lethal in an air to air, doubly so when you consider it creates an ultra potent net of sensors in unison with other jets, AWACS and drones.

A-10 is armored and redundant to the nth degree. The plane was designed to take multiple beatings and live. I suspect the F-35 isn't. One of the big advantages we had in WW2 was that our planes let the pilots live through battles they lost. So they could learn from their mistakes. So they could fly again.

The Japanese didn't make planes that let their pilots survive. And at the end they had no more pilots left to fly their higher performance planes.

>probably.
100%

The A-10 is doesn't have the ceiling, speed, sensors or signature reduction required to conduct operations in areas we do not already own the sky in. The F-35 does.

Why people decide to compare the F-35 to the A-10, the F-15 and F-22 is well fucking beyond me. The only direct comparison worth time is the F-16, which is really what it is designed to replace. A single engine multi-role replacing a single-engine multi-role.

The F-18 could be brought into the fold since the Navy and Marine Corps will be using them, but neither of those branches' F-18s do a single thing we actually need them to do better than the F-35.

You think the A-10 provided the most CAS in the war on terror? They were rare while we were on the ground. The F-16 and the B-1B shouldered most of the real work.

That's old news now though.

oy vhey goim some one has to pay for that shit 300 billion bill you wont be anti semetic buying a supbar shitpalne if you can have reafel or ef 2000 or su 35 that beats f35 s ass any day.

Just think about the ameriniggers tryed to cuck allies with F16. Thx france for shiting upon america you made the monkey model superior to american f16.

>Russian talking about engines

>build "5th gen" fighter
>not stealthy
>no s-ducts
>IRST pimple
>shit engines
>might build a dozen
>India is pulling out
>permanently a generation behind
>not a factor, nor a superpower

Yeah nah you're a fag.

The most loved CAS according to a majority of the US military were "rarely used"?
And you go on to compare that to a fucking heavy bomber? Get the fuck out of here.

>F35 is a flying turd
said the fuck'n aeronautical genius leafuck

I didn't compare it to a heavy bomber, retard. I compared it to an F-16. I happened to mention that the F-16 and B-1B provided much more CAS to us than A-10s did.

Grunts love the A-10 because it can loiter forever and the gun sounds cool. While F-16s could drop a couple bombs and then have to leave station to refuel, an A-10 could loiter with us until we made extract. We'd smile when JDAMs were dropped. People cheer when the main gun on the A-10 goes BRRRRRRRRRRT as ineffective as it might be at actually killing lots of dudes.

The F-35 will be able to loiter longer than the F-16.

Your Prime Minister is fucking your country with trade. Because Canada will not purchase any F35's all of your Canadian aerospace and defense industry businesses are excluding from provided ANY materials into the aircraft.

So your casting companies? GTFO. Plastic CNC machining companies? Sorry but fuck off. Gasketing or seals? Kek, go fuck yourself.

>hack data
Fortunately skunkworks and "black book" stuff does not reside on servers connected to the outside world. That stuff is so compartmentalized that you'd physically have to take the data from the data center out.

Red flag victories 27-1, now talk shit.