He thinks Mesopotamia was the first civilization

>he thinks Mesopotamia was the first civilization
>he doesn't know Gobelki Tepe was 11,500+ years old
>he believes the mainstream historical narrative

I really hope you don't do this

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>he thinks Göbekli Tepe was the first civilization

Why does this matter to me?

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It doesn't, Jamal.

Clearly just made by simple hunter gatherers, nothing to see here. Go watch some football.

The oddest thing about that place is that they filled it in and covered it with a mound of dirt on purpose. Maybe a bunch of liberals thought it was racist and threw a little hissy about it, or something.

aurignacian culture at its finest

It wasn't, the Ice Age reset humanity

Humans are a lot older than they want you to believe. We were also infinitely more diverse than today - tiny people, huge people, etc. This is evident even today in small dwindling remote populations. Globalisation has killed off and mixed a lot of the genetic diversity that once existed.

No reason why it couldn't be. It isn't that complex. Primitive carvings, locally sourced stone.

Oh, let me guess, muh aliens. Imbecile.

Nobody says it was literally first you retard

And Tepe doesn't matter, it's cool but its discovery doesn't change anything important.

Proof? Source? Based neanderthal?

fuck dat goblin pepes

Inb4 ISIS blows it up

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I just wonder what the fuck they did there? What was their government like? How was their education system structured? Did their chicks take it in the butt? All these questions burn in my mind.

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Did they have any culture or did they just build a big hole in the ground?

>metal cups and blades

>11.5ft tall "human"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_of_Castelnau
This probably explains Easter Island

and pic related

There used to be a lot of different sub-species or species in the "human" family tree.

I wonder how many ancient sites Muslims have destroyed that we will never know about.

That seems more like something you would see from a conquered nation.

I'm also curious about how much did the colonizers destroyed that we don't know about.

An actual Computer-Rendered depiction of what an ancient man Living at Gobelki Tepe would have looked like.

>literally thousands of pyramids in xi'an china
>government has forbidden archeologists from excavating them
>archeologists are okay with this even if it takes a few generations for the government to finally okay it

Their full of Europeans, just like the other pyramids.

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>intricate carved megaliths from over 10000 year
ago
>big hole
Come on.

Define 'civilization'.
Everything I heard of Gobelki Tepe was that it was a perminant religious outpost for hunter-gathers.

So what makes civilization? Is it culture? Well, then stone and pottery culture predates Gobelki Tepe. If it's buildings, then maybe Golbeki Tepe. But if it's an ordered society and economy and cities, then no, it's still Mesopotamia.

Aslo, there was definitely habitation in Ur and Lower Egypt 12,000 ybp. It's just that there was continuing habitation on top of those areas. Golbelki Tepe is outstanding because it was mothballed and buried and its archeological record is intact.

>Gobelki Tepe
what anime

The temple has some animal sculptures

I read about this before, but the bones are gone so its probably not real.

Did that originally have ornate designs in it? Looks neato. Only problem is that if the tribe wasn't technologically advanced it doesn't matter when they showed up. They're obsolete.

Looks like Miles Morales Spiderman

We are all obviously one people who shared a single common ancestor 45000 ybp, you racist.

Look how big their fucking feet are. Peggy hill would feel better after seeing this shit.

How do they KNOW how old it is?

>implying Gobelki Tepe isn't part of the mainstream archaeological narrative

But it literally is.

The only problem is it had no identifiable impact on contemporary man.

>Skulls "28, 31, and 32 inches in circumference" were reported alongside other bones of gigantic proportions which indicated they belonged to a race of men "between 10 and 15 feet in height." The bones were reportedly sent to the Paris Academy for further study.[5][6]

The bones were sent to Paris, where they ended up after that we'll probably never know. It's not the only sample I've heard about either.

It probably explains why modern Europeans are some of the tallest and largest groups of people on the planet. There was a Neolithic group of people running around modern France that were 15ft tall.

holy shit look at those feet

looks like they invented the aluminum ladder 11,450+ years before Home Depot

Their feet are that way because they've never worn shoes.

Just what I was thinking as I watch them dismantle historical monuments in the South.

That's not a ladder, it's an ancient astronomy device.

Check out this link rephaim23.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/update-prehistoric-giants-of-france-and-spain-part-2/

Super detailed write-up on the giant race of people who used to roam Europe

I'm glad to see more people are coming to understand this.

>something slightly out of the norm happens
>guys it's proof of alien contact

You people make archaeology more of a junk science than it already is.

It's in a hole today because somebody buried the whole thing.
People buried it

Any more info on this? That's fascinating

There's a set of pyramids not too far off the Northern coast of Africa as well, they're completely underwater now.

It's only becoming part of the mainstream narrative after 30 years of people needing to die so it wouldn't ruin their careers. It isn't some big conspiracy to hide real history because it had no identifiable impact on contemporary man. It was a big conspiracy to not shit all over a bunch of 80 and 90 year old archaeologists careers in their twilight years after a life time of achievement.

Pic is how the ancients scoop out granite to build monoliths. It's as if the granite is like ice cream.

I literally never said it was proof of alien contact you dumb fuck, stop putting words in my mouth

Atlantis has already very likely been found west of Spain/North Africa. Ocean was around 400ft lower 11,000+ years ago

>he thinks Mesopotamia is a civilization

I love Graham Hancock threads

how the fuck did they do this. couldn't this be natural erosion making the cuts appear smooth?

They also climb trees all day, some even have 6 fingers.

Perhaps. Even if they were not they would still point to the global ice age civilization that was washed away when the comet flash boiled the north american ice sheet. You also cant forget that the "first emperor" of China, Qin was a famous book burner. I wonder what the books of the previous ages could have contained or if he was even the first.

>oldest human settlement on record found
>Academic paper: "First Human Settlement Found!"
>Bullshit Nova episode
>Book deal
>Constant citations in NYT

(((scientists)))

This is what human feet are supposed to look like. Stuffing them into shoes actually fucks them up.

This. Pretty widely accepted these days. Because it was made by nomadic people it isn't considered part of "early civilization" per say.

The constellations on the stones are cool though, especially the one that refers to a massive asteroid impact

Same thing with the stratified classification of early humans/prehumans. The entire Leakey family was bent on excommunicating anyone who said that the overlap period between subspecies might be vastly longer than anyone suspected. It used to be the official narrative that as soon as one new species emerged, it wiped out the 'obsolete' species almost immediately.

Talking about fucking nephilim in Europe is biblical fanfiction. It's like whenever Hindus decide that every kid with a debilitating birth defect is a demigod.

Its like looking at a basketball team and declaring them a lost tribe of giant men. Human variation happens.

>Everything I heard of Gobelki Tepe was that it was a perminant religious outpost for hunter-gathers.

This is based off the 5% excavated. I doubt all other 95% contains no permanent settlement structures, even if it was only for the priest class.

>But if it's an ordered society and economy

I don't think it could have been built without the kind of organization that defines a civilization. Don;t forget the people could have been living in mud brick and straw huts that wouldn't have left a trace over this amount of time.

is this another fucking joe rogan thread

If Nova could just tone it down with their "GROUNDBREAKING DISCOVERY" angle it would be decent television. You don't need to keep the audience in suspense over whether a clay aqueduct will hold water or rupture, just fucking tell us.

>nb4 trump creams scoopgate

I bet you could get similar results with an acid, or something? Maybe they were able to make small amounts of a chemical that would eat the rock. They would probably make channels and pour it in, and then repeat the process. I dunno.

I'm an oldfag, and I remember NOVA from the 70's and 80's. It used to be top-tier shit. Then (((they))) ruined. It is complete garbage compared to it's former self.

Natural oils from human skin is very, very slightly corrosive to certain types of stone, especially when baked in sunlight for 16 hours a day. After a few generations it starts to leave distinct bevels in stone like that.

That thought did occur to me, but you can see latter attempts in the picture and they could barely dent the granite.

There's also a picture of an underground cave carved out of rock in China with machine marks all over the place...

>Talking about fucking nephilim in Europe is biblical fanfiction
I post actual evidence and all you can do is cry about aliens or some tinfoil schizo shit. You're the one with the problem here.

Here's a 700,000 year old skull found in Greece
ancient-origins.net/human-origins-science/human-skull-challenges-out-africa-theory-001283

Even today you can see Rome has been reduced to complete rubble. That wasn't even 2000 years ago. Something surviving 11,500 years is pretty impressive. Just think what could have existed 20,000 - 40,000 years ago would probably be non-existent today or completely buried.

Graham Hancock did some good interviews with Joe Rogan

Found it

It was buried because it is a gateway to the realm of the Old Ones. Fucking Cthulu is going to emerge from it and leave waste to the world.

When I was a kid in the 80's I used to try and stay home from school just to watch NOVA and 3-2-1 Contact.

The Out of Africa theory has been legitimized since like the early 1970s. It's like the polynesian theory of the North American population, it just didn't hold up to basic genetic testing.

It's bombastic language like nephilim and 'tribe of giants' that I contest.

>Even today you can see Rome has been reduced to complete rubble. That wasn't even 2000 years ago. Something surviving 11,500 years is pretty impressive. Just think what could have existed 20,000 - 40,000 years ago would probably be non-existent today or completely buried.

Any chance pyramids were time capsules that old civilizations made in a way that we'd eventually be able to solve their secrets?

cnn.com/2016/09/22/asia/indigenous-australians-earths-oldest-civilization/

GOBELKI TEPE SHILLS...
BTFO!!!!!!!!!

youtube.com/watch?v=_cZm4PvGPzE

Granite lasts forever man. It's tough as shit.

Looks like the kind of place to hide during the younger dryas to me.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Çatalhöyük
>7000 BC
>The population of the eastern mound has been estimated to be, at maximum, 10,000 people, but the population likely varied over the community’s history. An average population of between 5,000 and 7,000 is a reasonable estimate.
redpill me on this settlement Sup Forums

If you weren't a fucking retard OP, you'd know Göbekli Tepe was used almost exclusively as a feast/ritual city, and wasn't regularly inhabited outside of the religious caretakers.

Don't start talking about shit you don't know.

Religion is a defining trait of civilization

history.com/news/dna-study-finds-aboriginal-australians-worlds-oldest-civilization

how can gobelki tepe cucks even compete???

We actually can create that kind of pattern today, it implies the ancients got machines like pic related.

Gobekli Tepe was a temple, not a city. And I think the Harrapans may have beaten Mesopotamia to the punch anyway.

But Gobekli Tepe is in mesopotamia.

Göbekli tepe wasnt a civilization, retard

Oh, but we can't scoop out granite, that's is beyond our technological levels...

The main thing to take away from this kind of settlement is that humans are always, always trying to improve on their living situation. We act like the agricultural revolution was a singular event, but it would have been a millennia long process with people grouping up and breaking apart thousands of times before it eventually stuck long enough to form 'civilization'.

Never believe anyone when they tell you scientists found the 'first' anything.

Ok argue with the 700,000 year old skull that was found

What a convenient theory you have when you can just disregard and dismiss all evidence that states the contrary.

Gobleki Tepe was buried because if it were ever destroyed, then the magic sealing the Cthonic realm would be undone and the world would end. By unearthing it you expose it to the risk of ruin and so us all.

>he thinks pure speculation designed to maintain the recent start of civilization is the truth.

>not realizing Hungarians are the original Europeans and the true forefathers of all Whites.
disgusting plebs

Defining trait of civilization =/= Civilization. Outside of the priests that stuck around to care for the place, nobody was there for more than a few months. None of the objects excavated there were created on spot, but brought as offerings.

Anatolia, not Mesopotamia. The difference could save your life Turk.

That entire statement is pure speculation.

>Goddess giving birth
These are frogs, it's literally a depiction of Kek

>Every carving and excavated object depicts feasts and religious deities
>Every object was brought from outside areas
>It's pure speculation to assume it was a religious pilgrimage city
>It's not speculation to assume this was somehow the first civilization

That's not far out of line with the earlier estimated emergence of modern human, or at least very late homo erectus, development.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomically_modern_human

Aside from a few stubborn establishment assholes, archaeology adapts to new information pretty fast, as long as the evidence is present. Like how last month there was a burst of "neanderthal in North America!?!" articles, which omitted the fact that the dating method for the remains was questioned even by the lead analysts.

>Göbekli Tepe was used almost exclusively as a feast/ritual city
>a city

Yeah I hate those non-civilization cities