Anti Capitalists who aren't marxists

Anyone else here /anticapitalist/ but also not a marxist?

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Kill yourselves commies
>but-but distinctions!

What makes me a commie?

Reporting.

He's just a lolberg faggot who equates capitalism with markets and doesn't understand economics. Ignore his faggotry.

Ahh finally.. Someone closer to the "Tru-right" has joined the thread. I'm in better company now.

so just undecided
that's worse than commies

distributist checking in

Barely undecided.

Marx based his theories on the entire concept of capital. The means of production was not relevant to Marx, just who owned the means of production.

>While typing on a computer that wouldnt exist without capitalism
You dense faggot

We're in an interesting position being hated by the (((libertarian))) "right" and the (((progressive))) "left" so we have to look out for our own and bump these threads whenever we see them.

The Nazi economy was fairly socialist, and it had a great run, but socialism often works very well in the beginning. Look at Lula in Brazil, and Chavez in Venezuela, how popular they were.

If socialism would work wonders in homogeneous countries, why is North Korea such a shithole compared to capitalist South Korea? The Soviet Union? China? The average Chinese person didn't even have flushing toilets until the capitalist reforms, and their economy took off in the 80s and 90s.

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>Hurrr durr the faggot wants the keys to his shackles, but the key was made by the same guy who shackled him

You really don't understand anti-capitalism, do you?

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Hahaha

So if a capitalist ate food or drove a car produced by a communist country while living in a communist country would that make him a hypocrite? Your argument is retarded.

Yes. Hello fellow Christian social democrat. We balance rights (both positive and negative) and budgets like mad. We are the original non bannonist anti globalists. Trump can have the nationalist globalism

Hello I'm a monarchist, how can I help you?

So what are you then?

That's called third position.

Every country that tried to be anti-capitalist has failed. Humanity didn't invent anything better so far. Enjoy.

You could learn the difference between economic system(capitalism) and type of government(monarchy) for a start. Those are not the same thing.

yeah every national socialist
hello Zionist puppet

The North Koreans are shit because they refuse to trade with the rest of the world.
Their entire ideology is based on not interacting with anyone and being entirely self sufficient. To blame their economic failings on socialism is over simplifying things.

NS Germany succeeded very well until the war.

Yes.
Anti-capitalism does not mean 'anti free exchange of goods', I just assert that economic growth is not the sum of human endeavours.

Progress (And regress/nostalgia) are only popular in material because of the society and people that popularize them.

Phones , computers, televisions, etc.. We were happy without them. We had the capacity to be happier.
People are in the sky right now complaining about their seating arrangement.

NAZBOL GANG REPORT IN
T. NAZBOL GANG

>NS Germany succeeded
In scamming their own people?
Breadlines, deficit of general goods, being scammed of money by government that should have protected you? Yeah, I can taste the success.

They don't refuse to trade with the rest of the world. They're just not allowed to because of sanctions by the (((U.S. Government))).

Literally any social democrat
You can start with Einstein monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/

In improving economy, military and standard of living. Hitler took a nearly third-world country ruled by Jews and turned it into a world superpower.

I realize that capatilism is flawed, especially as money directly relating to power. However it's still the best system we've come up with and we have many people flourishing under it.

That's probably what they said during Feudalism.

>best system we've come up
Wrong, national socialism is the best.

Checked.
I'm anti capitalist to the extent that jews use their capital to control the world.

>a letter from high ranking SS officer about life in Germany as a proof

Yeah, Kim Jong Un has a nice life too. So did soviet bureaucrats.

Average german worker was a slave, because when they were employed, the government took away their ID and you couldn't leave job/move without your ID. But yeah, I'm sure you fantasize about being high-ranking SS officer in Thrid Reich, not the poor labourer.

Capitalism build the world we live in

Capitalism is the only socio-economic system that works, your poor understanding of capitalism probably makes you think that the Nordic economic system is socialist when is indeed a capitalist system.

>implying it was any better under a capitalist system at the time
I'd rather be forced to work under a high standard of living with food on the table than a free man who's starving and homeless.

life was good for everyone, dumb zionist

>this
based aussie

That's not something to be proud of.

I'm against unhinged capitalism because I'm a real conservative.

>implying it was any better under a capitalist system at the time
American workers could afford cars, houses and didn't wait in breadlines because of the food scarcity. Really makes you think.

socialism built the world we are fighting in

Government's are ever evolving, america borrowed aspects made by other men before who had also did the very same. But anyone who thinks we should just do away with what we have for an extreme is an ignoramus.

Take the best parts from capitalism(markets) and socialism(worker ownership) to form a better system.

I oppose crony capitalism, not a free market kept free by the will of the people. However, taking down the evil and corrupt is difficult and those who don't know how to manage assets will make for a potentially even more incompetent and corrupt system (like socialism, or same shit but the names are different).

Pro-capitalism but I am anti-billionaire, anti-banker, and anti-lobbyist. Pro-big government and regulation.

CRONY CAPITALISM supported by corrupt-ass 'legislators' is what 'anti-capitalists' are really against. EVERY 'monopoly' in history has been created by government paid off by moral shitheads.

TRUE CAPITALISM, unimpeded by government is the only thing that can possibly save this putrid excuse for humanity we're currently experiencing under 'progressive' political influence

>Pro-big government
> I am anti-billionaire, anti-banker, and anti-lobbyist.

Does not compute. "evil rich" pay 90% of tax revenue, e.g. big government has means to exist only in bed with big business. Wanting big government = wanting big corporations' dick up your ass(and taking the second one from the government)

>CRONY CAPITALISM supported by corrupt-ass 'legislators' is what 'anti-capitalists' are really against. EVERY 'monopoly' in history has been created by government paid off by moral shitheads.
>TRUE CAPITALISM, unimpeded by government is the only thing that can possibly save this putrid excuse for humanity we're currently experiencing under 'progressive' political influence


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

>Wanting big government = wanting big corporations' dick up your ass
False. The Soviet Union had big government and no corporations.

Big government is one of the reasons why I love Canada.

Yes

>It's not real capitalism!

> The Soviet Union had big government and no corporations.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Companies_of_the_Soviet_Union

And yes, their CEO's were high-ranking CPSU members(and appointed by the secretary of CPSU) who had different life from average workers.

>lolbertardians retardation has finally come full circle and is finally biting them in the ass.
>more and more they're being taken less seriously on Sup Forums
>meanwhile third positionist ideologies like Strasserism and NazBol are becoming the norm
>feelsgoodman.jpg

I mean private corporations that are not owned by the state.

State owned corporations are good.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_corporations_of_Canada

>no private corporations under socialism
Really makes you think.

Fuck communism, Fuck capitalism.

Localism ftw.

>ate food or drove a car produced by a communist country
this isn't a thing that happens, dude

what do you do when you need to replace a tail-light nigger

A FUCKING LEAF

>ate food
>drove a car
>communist country

top kek

I'm anticapitalist because it is inherently materialistic and the Jew's favorite vehicle to spread hate and degeneracy. However, without Jews it might actually be pretty good in a National Socialist society

>not being a walking contradiction

Either learn how to do it yourself or do without the endless buffet of consumer products which only make us weaker as people and ruin our environment

Capitalism is an emergent organism, not something we chose and not something we can do away with.

The only way out of capitalism is forward. Accelerate capitalism and see what it evolves towards.

We have access to the gas pedal but not the steering wheel. 'Dude share lmao' doesn't work as a protest against nature itself. We must follow capitalism to its end.

You are so irrelevant you can't even become a meme

I stop driving shitty chinese garbage.

>we aren't commies! we just agree with them!
Schlomo... Your Jewish trick... you didn't think it through. This is embarrassing.

Sort of this man. Isn't this Marxists position anyway, why are they trying to interfere in a process to speed it up if they think capitalism will only end when it becomes "exhausted" as they say.

>Accelerate capitalism and see what it evolves towards.
Well, the theory goes that it will evolve into communism... aaaany day now.

>Capitalism is an emergent organism, not something we chose and not something we can do away with.
Why not?
>The only way out of capitalism is forward. Accelerate capitalism and see what it evolves towards.
Why do we need to accelerate it? If you had a car without a steering wheel the last thing you would want to do is speed up.
>We have access to the gas pedal but not the steering wheel. 'Dude share lmao' doesn't work as a protest against nature itself. We must follow capitalism to its end.
Why don't you have access to the steering wheel? What kind of cuck doesn't have a steering wheel?

What the fuck is up with all the Israelis using antisemitic rhetoric? Am I missing something?

I'm traditionalist/ theocratic. We need a re-evaluation of values, capitalism just creates decadence

capitalism doesn't exist and never can. what we have is an oligarchy run by a handful of powerful cabals. which is what always happens under capitalism. the early winners consolidate their gains

>Why do we need to accelerate it?
Because wherever it leads will be no worse than your infallible controlled economy concept, and that's because you're deluding yourself if you think you can plan things out better than the free market can adapt to changes.

>Why don't you have access to the steering wheel?
Because there doesn't exist a predictive model to help you ensure that your brilliant policies produce the effects you desire.

>What the fuck is up with all the Israelis using antisemitic rhetoric?
It's very catchy.

Not an argument.

>We need a re-evaluation of values
You can't just preach to people. If you want to change people you need to force people to change.

I agree based toothpaste, but we are the acceleration. The present is happening now, capitalism is accelerating through the lives we live and the discontent we feel. This whole "you can't control it" bullshit is true in a macro sense, but we have to choose to make it happen anyway.

Is your name Karl Marx by any chance?

Nice try Nazi with a proxy. We're onto you schlomo!

Workers owning and managing an organization isn't a guaranteed solution. They usually don't own a commanding share in a company because they don't know how to manage people and keep conflicts from escalating, and giving each worker an equal share in a big company is bad idea because nobody has a complete picture of how everything works. Profit sharing is alright, and maybe voting on certain decisions can be workable but what can be voted on and how the voting should work will vary from organization to organization, and what's needed can radically change if even one person enters or leaves.

Also workers will almost never choose to downsize even when it becomes necessary for business to continue.

>memes
The commies actually made better cars than the west because they didn't have (((planned obsolescence))) in mind. They built their shit to last. You may have been less likely to own a car but if you did, you knew it was going to function for at least 30 years. Not to mention, cars were much more common in market socialist countries like Yugoslavia. I'd also like to point out that Yugoslavian "communism" was basically Strasserism in practice.
>implying we don't make the dankest memes

אמא שלך בפרוקסי, יא קייק.

It's more or less voting on management as opposed to voting on every decision management makes. Not to mention, the mondragon cooperative seems to be doing quite well.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation

You don't even have something to eat but at least your cars last 30 years, ROFL

So why are you in the USA? Isn't it too capitalist for you? Let's trade places. you come to the socialist paradise here and I can come to your oppressive capitalist regimen :^)

>Workers owning and managing an organization isn't a guaranteed solution. They usually don't own a commanding share in a company because they don't know how to manage people and keep conflicts from escalating, and giving each worker an equal share in a big company is bad idea because nobody has a complete picture of how everything works. Profit sharing is alright, and maybe voting on certain decisions can be workable but what can be voted on and how the voting should work will vary from organization to organization, and what's needed can radically change if even one person enters or leaves.
>Also workers will almost never choose to downsize even when it becomes necessary for business to continue.
I agree that workers shouldn't be in charge of their business unless it was their business to begin with. The entire society (through an elected government) should be in charge or at least have a way to heavily regulate businesses.

People will change when the conditions are met. Within 10 years the economic system will collapse, driverless cars alone will put millions out of work. When the system begins to destroy itself and people are discontent, our generation's Hitler will ride the wave of populist discontent. Let's just hope our Hitler is a Christian starting a reformation and not a nazi

I am not anti-capitalist but I certainly see it has some major limitations. . I don't think capitalism in it's current form is going to survive the next century.

>cooperatives
Well, who's stopping you all from joining them if they're so great?

But Hitler was both a Christian and a Nazi

Resources economy it's where it's at.

Wage slaves and state boners need to get BTFO.

Yes, im a libertarian.

>The entire society (through an elected government) should be in charge or at least have a way to heavily regulate businesses.
The only way to regulate businesses is voting with your money. "The gubmint will do this for me if I only vote for the right guy" perpetually fails. Governments always collude with big business.

>the monkey is implying
>what is Yugoslavia
There aren't a lot of them around because it's hard to get a loan to form a cooperative despite the fact that they're more stable. With that said, there are some cooperatives that are around. I'm a member of a credit union for example which did fine during the (((banking))) collapse of 2008 because they weren't gambling with people's money like the (((capitalist))) banks were. Hell, my credit union even gave me free life insurance.