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Are you aware that in America, we spend the most on dialysis and get the worst quality service for that payment?

>b-but muh free market is the m-most efficient
Ancaps have today been utterly, completely and permanently BTFO.

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>healthcare is a free market in america
t. retard

Other countries have less of a free market and get better healthcare for less money.

We have more patients on dialysis in this country than most countries have medical patients period, it's not an equal measure. Of course it's easy for Denmark and fucking Switzerland and Luxemburg to claim this shit, they have 5 people in their countries and they are all white.
Take on some of our fatass nigger and spic diabetics, and see how you handle them.

Stop shilling yourself Oliver you disgusting looking anglo jew.

We also have an economy that is proportional to our populace.

We do not have proportionately more dialysis patients than other countries. Feel free to try again though.

He's not American, if a foreigner came here to constantly shit on my country and kept telling me everything I already know is wrong with it, I'd punch that smug fuck.

That isn't true.
You can also utterly blame government for the high costs of healthcare, since they restrict the supply of doctors and skyrocket the costs of healthcare operations by requiring more paper pushing than you could possibly wrap your head around.

That's because slavs are basically niggers and can't control their aggressive impulses

are you retarded
>blames the free market for the actions of the government trying to control it
yeah you're retarded

>That isn't true.
It is.

The rest of your post is irrelevant, because it's true.

Enjoy your degeneracy, cuck.

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No, it's not.
The rest of my post is relevant because it's undeniably true that government is the direct cause of ridiculous healthcare costs. Empirically.

You really don't believe we have an economy proportional to our populace, you can't be that naive. Unless you are a boomer

I've posted an entire 23 minute video on the subject.

You have no counterargument. It's true.

Why does Britain spend the same amount of their economy on the NHS as we do on just medicare and gives their entire population better medical care than we have. You are a retard.

by enjoying medical advancements that were developed in America because of our profit driven healthcare system. The US is factors ahead of every other country in medical innovation and yet everyone wants to involve themselves in our business not understanding the repercussions of doing so.

Audibly kek'd when the video started with almost the exact same intro
>"but I promise you this IS worth listening to!"

Dialysis is not new technology. Other countries have better dialysis technology.

Wow you posted a video.
Watch me post one too.

youtube.com/watch?v=rIex9OCyuNw

The UK has fucking waiting lines and people pay absurdly higher taxes. Fuck that. Pay for your own shit, and get the government out of medicine so you're not paying 700% increased prices for medical services due to the overhead that *government directly creates for health service providers* dipshit.

>people pay absurdly higher taxes
only as much as we pay for medicare, considering just the NHS.

>The UK has fucking waiting lines
The only reason we don't is that the free market has artificially raised the price.

We shouldn't have medicare.

>The only reason we don't is that the free market has artificially raised the price

>free market
>artificially raised price

>artificially raised price
>therefore no waiting lines

There are multiple layers of stupid reasoning in your one short sentence.

sure, because people are gonna stand in line for a more expensive service

you don't understand economics, dumb tripfag

You literally said that the U.S. doesn't have waiting lines because "the free market artificially raises prices".
1) The free market doesn't artificially anything. Free trade is the opposite of artificiality in an economy.
2) Higher prices of a good do not equate to higher supply in a market *where supply is ACTUALLY artificially restricted by government* - which is what happens in the U.S.

>b-but muh free market is the m-most efficient
>Ancaps have today been utterly, completely and permanently BTFO.

hehehehe yes my dude ... government grant and subsidizes that private companies take advantage off to rip off their patients are the staple of anarcho capitalism and the free market

its almost as if doctors and companies just want the governments money by getting as many people for as long as possible on dialysis but hey im sure thats the free markets fault and not the governments for giving away all of that money

youre not even worth the time it takes to type this out without punctuation

What a brilliant response from a truly intelligent soul.
As expected of random irrational collectivist trash!

There are no waiting lines for dialysis machines in the US because people who cannot afford insurance simply die of kidney failure.

Fuck them, they're poor amirite??

Why do you post this utter trash? No one cares. Post it on goybook

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>usa healthcare
>anywhere near a free market

yeah, and sweden is a full on stalinist communist country

Insurance =/= healthcare.
Try producing cases of people dying because they couldn't pay when doctor's in the U.S. are literally not allowed to select their own patients and have to take anyone who comes in.

>Serbia
>US is degenerate

TWO SCOOPS

TFW you think a system filled to the brim with regulations and government interference is a "free market". Funny, health care costs weren't an issue before the government made it what it is today. And I'm not saying all regulation is bad... just that this is nothing like a free market. Also our government sucks at regulation because it's almost always done for a special interest, not for the good of the public.

Because we don't deny people care and that our Baby Boomers are EXTREMELY unhealthy, numerous people have ESRD that gets treated on the taxpayer dime. People can choose to do peritoneal dialysis early on, but most of these old fucks wait and wait until their GFR is 50 years.

If you can't setup a patient's dialysis in >15min you're a shit nurse, and of course the nurse they interview is a fucking nigger.

RARE FLAG

Caus all the diversity quota niggers that have been jammed into the system.

>Leads argument with John Oliver video
You must be new here. That or you need to tell your professor you failed your summer assignment. Either way btfo faggot.

In this thread some retarded antifaggot forgot that there is a massive distinction between crony-capitalism/corporatism and actual capitalism (the kind with a free market that isn't hampered by lobbying, private interest, collusion, governmental interference, monopolies, etc.)

>american most influential politicians are literal comedians.
Now this is really idiocracy

Ironically burgerland spends almost twice the % of it's GDP on healthcare. :^)

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>OP makes the mistake of assuming Sup Forums actually watches John Oliver and makes a sarcastic comment about ancaps being blown out when dialysis is actually socialized under the government in the USA

Ancaps were blown the fuck out, but not for the reason you might think
>company allowed to continue to do business after a billion dollars in fines over just 5 years

>Try producing cases of people dying because they couldn't pay
The episode literally contains footage of a death panel member admitting that patients died because they didn't have $30k for dialysis before the government subsidized it.

>ignoring that OP brought up the fallacy in the first place
>middle of the day and Ivan is already drunk
this. everyone wants to ignore how much the US subsidizes their countries through resources spent on innovation and protection.
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he wasn't talking about dialysis specifically. there are other arguments for that.

So when they went to the hospital and asked for a kidney dialysis, they were told "no sorry"?
Yeah bro?
Is that the story?

What ACTUALLY happens is different than a shallow news clip where something is purported to happen without any context.

When will europoors finally admit the reason they can afford (((social healthcare))) is because America subsidizes their defense. The single largest expense a country can have. And still barely maintain their system at that.

>what ACTUALLY happens
>just dont ask me what that ACTUALLY is

JOHN SOLIVER IS A SNAGGLE TOOTHED PEDOPHILE

JOHN SOLIVER IS A SNAGGLE TOOTHED PEDOPHILE

JOHN SOLIVER IS A SNAGGLE TOOTHED PEDOPHILE

JOHN SOLIVER IS A SNAGGLE TOOTHED PEDOPHILE

JOHN SOLIVER IS A SNAGGLE TOOTHED PEDOPHILE

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>What ACTUALLY happens is different than a shallow news clip where something is purported to happen without any context.
The context is that hospitals used to have death panels that due to the limited availability of dialysis machines would regularly deny people access and one of the criteria used was ability to pay and these panels directly lead to deaths.

So I take it you won't be donating your organs after death/while you're alive?

>trusting talmudvision in 2017
say the 14 words or you're a kike, or worse, a traitor

>wow guise look at how much more we're getting ripped off after the last round of leftist government meddling

>the free market clearly doesn't work!

This is why the helicopter meme exists. You cretins can't be reasoned with.

2 scoops?! Dolondo grarummpphhh needs to be impeached!

It's documentary footage from before fucking Nixon.

That's what I'm asking of the person who purports someone died because they were told to fuck off when they went to request a medical service.

Hospitals don't have unlimited resources, but the ones in the U.S. have far and away more resources than any other country on earth.
And your solution is to raise the cost of healthcare to everyone else through government bureaucracy? Because that's exactly what you're getting. Take a look at hospital budgets and look at billing, coding, and transcription costs as opposed to overhead in the paying of actual doctors. Let your mind be blown.

>And your solution is to raise the cost of healthcare to everyone else through government bureaucracy?
Actually my solution is to promote organ transplants and donation and shut down companies doing clearly shady bullshit instead of just fining them hundreds of millions of dollars.

>Hospitals
We're talking about kidney dialysis here. They don't even use doctors for that shit.

>Take a look at hospital budgets and look at billing, coding, and transcription costs as opposed to overhead in the paying of actual doctors.
Yeah, my aunt is a retired hosptial administrator and she at one point had an apartment in downtown Nashville, a 2 story lakefront property, a beachfront condo in Florida, and a second condo in Georgia.

If the doctors are getting ripped off it's cause their bosses are getting all the money.

>unironically posting le current year man

>unironically posting le current year man
Except the post is sarcastic so he isn't.

t. hbo intern

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>implying talmudvision has ever been trustworthy.
I mean, maybe it is true, but you really should not trust talmudvision without doing independent research. media and entertainment is how the jew subverts.

>Actually my solution is to promote organ transplants and donation
Great!
I wish you the best of luck with that!

Doctor's pay isn't the point - the point is an *ENORMOUS* percentage of the price of any given medical service is eaten by paper-pushing. My mother is a medical coder - her entire job shouldn't exist, yet part of every medical purchase anyone make's goes to paying her and others like her to do work that *shouldn't be being done*, but that the government mandates be done.

>implying

>and they are all white
I wish

Nothing new about net neutrality?

>the point is an *ENORMOUS* percentage of the price of any given medical service is eaten by paper-pushing.
Are you sure it's not from companies doing shit like wasting 3 bottles of meds for every one bottle they actually need to use so they can bill the government for more?

These dialysis companies are posting record profits in the face of $1 billion in fines over the past 5 years.

The problem isn't too much government regulation. The problem is not enough return on the investment in government regulation. When a company is abusing the system to charge customers more for shittier service, they should lose their license and be forced out of the industry. Waste, fraud, and abuse is rampant in the medical industry. As has been previously mentioned, even with all that regulation you say is driving up costs, we have some of the shittiest dialysis in the world in terms of survival rates. I don't think those survival rates will go up with deregulation, because that makes less than no sense.

>America
>Ancap

Hoo, boy.

>implying
No, I'm stating. Either they were being sarcastic or they didn't watch the episode. Dialysis is government subsidized in the USA. Regardless, the post is not meant to be taken seriously.

>Nothing new about net neutrality?
They did a separate thing about that on youtube.

Short version is they told you what they did to their link gofccyourself.com/ and why. Long version is viewable at said link.

Basically the fcc won't be taking anyone's messages for a short bit so hold onto that hype and check back in a bit.

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>they are all white.
This is it. Ever walk in a Dialysis clinic? The white folks that are in there probably should've passed on a long time ago from destroying their bodies with alcohol, piss poor diet, etc. Everyone else in a dialysis clinic is black.

Black people are much more prone to high blood pressure, diabetes, coronary disease, stroke; you name it.

They shouldn't be able to bill the government *at all*.
The problem is *government involvement in the first place*. And yes - I am absolutely certain paper pushing to meet government requirements affects prices far and away more greatly than medical facilities wasting things to bill the government for more.

You should *REALLY* look at a hospital's overhead and see how much of it is utterly unrelated to providing medical services.

Nothing about le personal army?

Yes free market would literally make it dirt cheap to almost production level cost ....
.... IF there was a free market

>free market

doesn't mean what you think it means, karl. 99.999% of dialysis is performed under the "auspices" of medicaid and medicare.

"Light bill, phone bill plus my granny nerve pills I want a new Bentley and my auntie need a kidney And if I let her pass her children never will forgive me Goddamn, another trap, I think Bush is tryin? punish us Sendin a little message out to each and everyone of us Real G shit, boy that's really unheard of When you get more time for sellin? dope and murder In this crazy world this world keep spinnin yeah my rims keep spinnin"

-Young Jeezy

>be american
>call everything capitalism

Getting really tired of this shit mayne.

This cunt railed on our Great Nation.

>They shouldn't be able to bill the government *at all*.
Without government paying for dialysis for those that can't afford it either people die in a matter of days because they don't get dialysis or hospitals eat the cost of dialysis

One outcome is a human rights disaster given the prevalence of kidney disease in this country and the other is going to do jack shit to lower costs in hospitals.

It's because we have a bunch of diabetic nigs and spics that get fat on ameriburgers.

YOU DONT HAVE A FREE MARKET YOU FUCKING RETARDS.

FREE MARKET = BUY HEALTHCARE FROM CANADA.

FREE MARKET = NO FDA REGULATED MEDICINE.

People generally don't let other people die on the street when they have the capability of helping here in the U.S.
As someone who purports to want to further encourage organ donation you ought to know the U.S. is the most charitable nation on the planet in each and every way in which people can be charitable.

If you want to lower costs, get government out. Government is directly responsible for greater than half of each and every medical bill anyone gets because of program compliance costs.

>be socialist prick
>muh the free market failed we need more government
>things get worse
>muh it´s because there is still capitalism
>even more regulations and socialization
>sovietrussia.png
>???
>Profit

He is right though.

Germany give better medical service for the fraction of the coast.

Yeah of course but you would die after a few weeks due to operation failure.

You base this comparison on...?
What? Hearsay and social media?
Why talk about something you know nothing about?

???=mass hunger

What ever you want it to be but yeah usually it is mass hunger.
It´s no surprise that all the socalist leaders end up super rich while the people starve. This is true for dictators like Fidel or for poverty pimps like al sharpton and maxine waters.

I fucking hate people like you.
I dislike Oliver's humor and i can't stand his political opinions, but his show has some research done.
They provide an argument, even if they serve it as the truth, but it's a series of facts about you can have a view.

And then twats like you come and try do do their best to sink any possibility of having a discussion by spouting memes in order to fit into the hivemind.
Yeah, bet it feels good to be a usless stain of spunk of this website knowing that in this safespace nobody can force you to use your brain to form an original thought.

Fuck you

>this entire thread