And you still think the muslim is your enemy

And you still think the muslim is your enemy.

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How would coste me in EU?

0 Euro/pounds

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t. Abdul Habib Jafar

Capitalism only exists to prop up the Jew. Socialism is the only way to defeat the Jew.

They are a bunch of racists, pic related.

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CHING CHING CHING CHONG

At least the ching chong talk is native to my country, Abdul.

That's from a snake bite.
Antivenom is one of the most expensive substances on the planet, and also the faggot has no insurance. In addition, hospitals are almost always willing to slash your bill and put you on a generous payment plan if you tell them you can't afford to pay.

>implying OP will pay

I'm in the wrong business

>it's another commies don't realize that our health care system isn't pure capitalism and use it to try and prove the value when at least half of it is government funded thread

This isn't capitalism. It's monopoly price gouging.

This is a perfect example of what happens when you allow government to dictate costs through regulations and taxes.

Will Trump allow Europe to copy his superior healthcare plan once it proves itself effective?

Technically they are, in your country at least because of the rampant inbreeding in their own enclaves producing defective flipper children who are eating up practically half of the healthcare

is this a regular hospital bill? if so then the maximum amount they can charge is somewhere around 1800 euros in Belgium

found the underage libertaritard

the US healthcare system is fucked up, if you have good healthcare you are fine, if you don't any big medical issues put you into debt which you then refuse to pay.

example:
the list price of a visit to my allergist is $2,000. Aetna (my health insurer) paid less than $250. I paid $35 of that.

they will price a procedure like giving allergy immunizations at, say, $35. then the rate aetna will agree to pay will be $7. No insurer pays sticker and most americans have health insurance. the "cash price" is paid by barely anyone. the poorest are covered by medicaid too which reimburses well under the sticker price.

for huge hospital bills like that, number one discounting/actual pricing works like that, two someone that gets a bill like OP is highly unlikely to pay it. then the actual cost of providing said care is distributed among all insured patients who actually do pay.

Based on how muslims behave overall in the UK and Europe, yes, I do. You can't force love and respect, it has to be earned, so go reform islam and all the shitty cultures that live under it, and you might see a change in attitudes.

The main problem seems to be highly inflated prices.
Why does the same treatment cost twice as much in the US? Who takes the profit?

And how is your socialist utopian paradise in South America there Paco?

doctors are the real enemy?

>if X is bad that means Y is not bad anymore
>t. achmed

he's right though you mong

it's why you can go to Mexico and pay out of pocket for surgery at 1/10th the cost

I don't know how much, but a part of it goes towards insane insurance prices for malpractice (they're lower in Europe because you can't get sued for tens of millions in a civil court)

>socialist country
>Paco
at last try to make a better bait, goldberg.

it's not a regular hospital bill. it's from a guy that tried to take a selfie pic of himself with a rattlesnake and then the rattlesnake got pissed and bit him. he had to be treated with 74 vials of antisnake venom that is priced at $2,500/vial and then the hospital has to mark it up to pay their staff.

cbsnews.com/news/rattlesnake-selfie-results-in-a-153k-medical-bill/
>Fassler's bill included a line item of $83,341.25 for "pharmacy" to cover the antivenom, as reporter Dan Haggerty of KGTV in San Diego posted on Twitter. According to the original report, Fassler used up the antivenom supply from two hospitals.
>Part of the reason the bill is large for most snake bite victims is because there is only one manufacturer and limited supply of the antivenom. In addition, a snake bite requires emergency room treatment, a few days in the hospital intensive care unit and sometimes therapy to recover function of the damaged body part.

number of reasons
>pharmacy benefit managers and insurance companies make money
>doctors get paid more
>malpractice is far more; malpractice insurance for doctors can cost five digit sums (in US dollars, tens of thousands per year)
>Medicaid/Medicare cannot negotiate the pricing of drugs as readily
>higher consumption of prescription drugs/brand name drugs, and insurers are more likely to cover brand name drugs which cost for.

Example time!

I fill a generic EpiPen priced at $300 for two. The actual cost of said medication is minimal, autoinjector, liability, etc. whatever might cost a little bit. Fine, let's move on.

Firstly, the pharmacy I fill it at gets some of that money to pay for filling the scrip, paying their people, building, etc.

Then why do Jews love pushing socialism and communism?

here, continued
My pharmacy benefits manager - CVS Caremark - typically gets a rebate. On a generic this may be minimal, on most brands they'll get 30-50%. For large group plans (e.g. megacorps) the corporation sponsoring their employee's healthcare will get the rebate. For other plans, the PBM gets to keep some or all of that. I get a copay of $20, my financial responsibility for filling the prescription.

So the "list price" of my generic fill is $300, but in reality the "actual" cost of the drug is somewhere between $100 and $150.

Brand name pricing fucks it up worse. I have a branded, smaller, talking version of the Epi-Pen called Auvi-Q. List price is $4,500/two. I suspect the "hidden" PBM rebate is somewhere on the order of 80-90%, else Caremark would have ZERO incentive to cover it without prior authorization (for some sort of hearing/visual disability). Most health plans in the US have refused to pay for Auvi-Q because it costs so much more than generic Epi-Pen or Adrenaclick (therapeutically equivalent alternatives).

Explain to me how the richest country that ever existed in the face of this planet can't afford universal healthcare with the fucking enourmous gpc/capita you have.

>EpiPen
Another good example

Seems to me these overinflated prices should be combated first. In Germany for instance, insurers are legally required to cover the cheapest generic drugs

Not saying Germans are smart. When drugs are not covered, many Germans still prefer the expensive brand, but at least they use the cheap ones when there's a prescription.

The second the state pays for something the cost goes up and the quality goes down, since your wage is now guaranteed no matter how bad a job you do

They're sorta like car dealers. Let's make a deal!

-in places they don't live

I hate Murican hospitals now. If something needs gassing, it's them.

Single payer systems or systems with more organization to bargain for drug prices lead to that, in the US it's perversely the opposite. Obamacare capped the cost of care to 20% profit max on all plans and 15% on large group plans. In order to make more money, health insurers have to inflate at least the sticker price of the overall cost of care. If a health insurer collects $100 and spends $85, he's making less money than if he collected $200 and spends $170. This has lead to the general inflation of the cost of care, particularly with high deductible plans the person gets a "sticker price" that is not real in any way shape or form on prescription drugs.

Many Americans, particularly on obamacare individual plans, have high deductible plans where the health insurer doesn't pay anything out until the person spends at least $5,000 themselves out of pocket. So Mylan says the EpiPen costs $600. They send $300 of that back to the insurer later in an opaque, hidden rebate.

When the insurer bills a person on a high deductible plan, they have to pay the $600 out of pocket. The net effect is the insurer basically gets $300 from the person.

This of course is not just free money that they get to burn, Obamacare's other changes on the cost of care including treating people with hugely expensive preexisting conditions with no lifetime cap on expenditures means they have to collect the money from some people to pay for a handful that have really horrible health and just have the insurer cover it.

I'm not sure of an easy answer, American culture is generally "free market", I can see a doctor easily whenever I want to, not weeks. And if I want an MRI today and have a prescription, I can get it today, I don't have to wait weeks or months.

I benefit under the American system (my employer is based in Germany and gets great health plans for all US employees), but as far as minimizing cost, it is DEFINITELY not intended for that.

You don't deserve healthcare just because you are alive, doctors don't work for free, medication isn't free, nurses don't work for free, you aren't entitled to free labor.

Take my country for example, the typical virtue signalling Canadian here will tell you "OUR HEALTHCARE IS FREE" never having worked a day in their life in our healthcare system, not understanding how it works or how it is funded, not realizing their high tax rates (and in some provinces forced medical service plans with monthly rates of 50+$ a month depending how your yearly income) are what funds their shitty rationed healthcare.

You see in our country our system is crumbling. People die waiting for cureable treatments here, a 16 year old died waiting for healthcare

>globalnews.ca/news/2678113/ontario-teen-who-died-waiting-for-stem-cell-transplant-begged-government-to-cut-wait-list/
>dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435131/Friends-girl-18-leukemia-sign-casket-loving-messages-final-goodbye-died-waiting-hospital-bed-shortage-Canada.html

There are so many cases just like these in Canada that go unreported. Older people sent to death wards in the hospital waiting to die of curable diseases, our youth put on waitlists dying of curable diseases. Meanwhile our doctors are all third world from South Africa, you can't find a family doctor, to get any sort of scan you have to go through a family doctor or put your name on a walk in clinic at 5am just to get an appointment at 3pm that day (if you are lucky)

I could go on and on about how shitty our healthcare system is, how high our tax rates are because of it, how third world immigrants and refugees are making it even worse at the expense of older taxpaying Canadians in their 60's who have funded the system their entire life being left to die.

The point is the American healthcare system has it fundamentally right, want healthcare? Pay for it. It just needs some improvement.

>taking a selfie with a snake without insurance

I swear to God if this faggot starts a gofundme and actually pays the bill off with it...

Just one of many my friend

It was 2 years ago, it probably already happened

>Bernie Sanders

>Older people sent to death wards in the hospital waiting to die of curable diseases
>tfw Canadians are actually geniuses, reducing the older population effectively
jealous tbhm8

Thanks for the explanation. So it's basically private health insurers sucking the public dry with convoluted "rebate" schemes and Obamacare inadvertently exacerbated the situation.

Honestly I'm rather content with the German system.
The German system is hybrid, with both public and private health care available. Public insurers are essentially non-profits. Any accidental profit is returned to the payers.

If you're wealthy, you're free to opt for entirely private care, which yields some benefits like single rooms in hospitals.

Seems to me like the best of both worlds.

It's not without problems. What really bugs me is that most public insurers cover homeopathy, meaning that the public is paying billions for quack science. Once my current treatment is over, I'm going to switch to one of the few remaining that don't.

The hospital buys the anti venom from the distributor for 3-5k and then price gougers the patient/victim 85-100k. Hospitals have become the ultimate middleman.

So according to the CDC 65% roughly have private healthcare, roughly 200 million out of a total population of 321 million. The rest are either on some form of government health care, which is paid for by the tax payers or none at all, which gets passed on to the rest of us. That doesn't even count illegals and immigrants. My guess is 50% of the population is paying for themselves and the other 50%.

And commies still think this is capitalism.

cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/health-insurance.htm

Also the description of Medicaid/Medicare reads like Marx wrote it himself.

medicareinteractive.org/get-answers/introduction-to-medicare/explaining-medicare/what-is-the-difference-between-medicare-and-medicaid

Chang Duwang has a point there, Abdul, how do you respond (blowing up on a packed subway is not an argument).

correct. in large group plans like mine (where tens of thousands are covered), the insurer (Aetna) basically acts as a claims administrator to see if the right boxes are checked. Aetna sends all the funny money rebates back to my company. this means that the actual cost of providing my care is what is reflected, hence my plan is wayyyyy cheaper through my employer than it would be to get it individually without them. my deductible is only $300 a year, then they cover 85% of my expenses until I spend $2,000, then the health insurer pays for everything. and my premiums (payments made just to have the plan) are less than half of what they would be for a far shittier plan on the obamacare marketplace.

the system needs fixing and repeal + replace is not an obvious answer. trump's proposal to sell across state lines isn't going to fix shit, the negotiation of rates and in network acceptance is not trivial across our gigantic country.

ultimately in 2020 or 2024 I think we could see a more populist candidate that pushes for medicaid/medicare reform for them to have the negotiating power and lower prices. that would likely lower prices across the board. I don't see the rebate fuckery getting fixed soon, and mandatory purchase of healthcare goes against the "free market", plus americans are antitax so forced healthcare is a hard sell.

>the moment Sup Forums realized that Jews are not a monolith

Public healthcare would actually cost less in a homogenous society. There is huge amount of air in those sums, going directly to (((their))) pockets.

The maximum you need to pay in Sweden is 150 bucks for the treatment, 200 bucks for the meds, and another 12 for every day you stay at the hospital.

You got fucked.

just to add that the 150+200 is the maximum you need to pay per year. If your treatment is extended past one year you need to pay another fee.

They seek to control whatever system exists. Communism is a safeguard created so that if capitalism is taken down, the alternative is also under their control.

It's clled "hedging your bets".