A short, non-retarded look at Nietzsche's "God is dead"

I see too many fedorafags on here bragging about Nietzsche's "antitheism", which is a bullshit and uneducated stance to take on his masterful work.

"God is dead". What does this mean? It means religion, and the conceptualisation of God has died, and that we have killed him. Nietzsche thought this was a bad thing, as the axiom that our societies were built on has been knocked away by our thirst for more, more, more. He saw this destruction of morality and the threat of nihilism and hedonism taking over, so he was FORCED to create the idea of the Ubermensch as a way to prevent it.

He writes in Twilight of The Idols: "“When one gives up the Christian faith, one pulls the right to Christian morality out from under one's feet. This morality is by no means self-evident… Christianity is a system, a whole view of things thought out together. By breaking one main concept out of it, the faith in God, one breaks the whole.”"

Nietzsche predicted the next century with fantastic accuracy with his chapter of Zarathustra 'Of the New Idol' (or something like that) where we see the rise of the cold, monstrous state as the alternative to God or a state derived from divinity. And we see what this created. I think Peterson merely said "millions of dead bodies" which is EXACTLY what it caused. The millions killed in the STATE ATHEIST Communist Bloc.

Nietzsche was antitheist after God had died because he knew the time was coming for the Ubermensch and (he thought) it was the only way to save us from hedonism and nihilistic, self-destructive behaviour - not because he thought it was inherently bad. He thought people stuck their head in the sand using religion, which is true, but he expressed more positivity towards it and its implicit benefits. Another example is when Zarathustra meets the Saint in the forest - he doesn't know God is dead but lives a happy, fulfilled and innawoods-y life because he THINKS God is alive, but the Saint is not fit to be an Ubermensch.

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This is OP.

This.

This. OP is just a beta cuck like Milo.

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Honestly don't know why I bother posting on this board sometimes, just full of autistic nobodies who are unwilling to learn yet think they know shit about shit from looking at fuzzy and unsourced infographs, I should've dropped this in 8pol instead.

Your post can be summed up as: disappearance of religion invites pseudo-religions.

>"When one gives up the Christian faith, one pulls the right to Christian morality out from under one's feet. This morality is by no means self-evident… Christianity is a system, a whole view of things thought out together. By breaking one main concept out of it, the faith in God, one breaks the whole.”
this is fantastic, thanks
i've been collecting quotes like these from atheist intellectuals

Im interested, i dont really have anythiing to say though.

Why did Neitzche love Jews so much?

And why does Peterson hold him in such high regard when he constantly shits on Christianity?

it's a fair bit more complex than that. The Ubermensch isn't really a religious concept because it's going to be a man BEFORE they spread their values and ideas. I don't think it'll happen, but the Ubermensch isn't a pseudoreligion.

>The millions killed in the STATE ATHEIST Communist Bloc.
Pls. By percentage of countries population religious wars killed much more people in Europe.

>stuck their head in the sand using religion
Did someone say sand? Picrelated.

Because Nietzsche spoke as much GOOD about Christianity as he did bad, did you not read the post?

Same with most existentialist writers, Dostoevsky said something to the same effect about getting away with anything if religion isn't present.

Kierkegaard was one Christian existentialist whose work I still don't fucking understand.

I meant your post in general (part about state), not the concept of Ubermensch.

informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/20th-century-death/

Both Dostoyevsky and Kierkegaard espouse same things. Difference is Dostoyevsky focuses more on social aspects of disappearance of religion/death of God, however you wanna call it.
Most notably in "Demons". He even predicted communism in Russia quite accurately, though with a minor dose of hyperbole. However that hyperbole came to life in China and Cambodia. Spooky.

That was a good post, user. Nietzsche requires enormous effort to read and understand and I always enjoy posts from people that have taken the time to study his work.

Meh, kind of. State worship is sort of pseudoreligious, apart from the idea of the social contract.

>condom edicts
those deaths were from aids, not warfare

Yeah, except Kierkegarrd's leap of faith was a far more interesting idea than the Ubermensch imo.

Existentialist writers in general are just so damn good!

State worship refers to Soviet socialist/fascist societies.
Social contract is not pseudo-religion of course. It's a logical construct.
But even logical constructs can acquire the nature of a (pseudo)religion. See excesses of modern secular humanism that rules in West.
That's how people are, and reason is sadly biological. Just look at distribution of IQ.

Yes. That's all the website showed for Catholics. I know, Hitler was Catholic but the deaths (whether or not you think he REALLY was) he was responsible for weren't because of religious ideology. In fact, at the Table Talk he started getting pretty hostile to religion in general.

That's a stark contrast from 12 million Christian martyrs in the USSR BECAUSE of the state atheism and the anti-religious Marxist-rooted ideology.

Good post.

Yeah, it's really sad. Amazing prediction of what would happen, unfortunately we were too stupid to either take back religion or find something meaningful to substitute it.

Exactly numbers are big because there were more people in the 20th century that during entire history before.

The whole point was to develop a morality playground that was solid enough to last us after the death of religious morality.

Nietzche refered as the moral debate itself as they high morality internalized by every member of society, while the laws phisically restrict us in our actions, morality discussion must be always free to ensure that we have an shared space for open discussion.

This was the result of the co opting of the academic discussion of his time, that sadly only got worse.

Good post OP, but that's all pretty obvious to anybody who actually read Nietzsche or studied philosophy.

Sadly, there is no hope.

...which excludes roughly 80% (and I'm being optimistic) Sup Forums posters.
People here don't know basic history, let alone philosophy.

>or find something meaningful to substitute it.
Communism.

Nietzsche was the biggest jew lover on planet earth and kalergi pulled large portions of practical idealism from his work
Fuck off

And more Christians died that century from secular antireligious violence than the totals of ALL previous centuries.

So like 1% of this board, yeah?

Communism is utopia.
Soviet style socialism is a sad and violent product of trying to reach it.
Grow up and educate yourself.

Ok, but the teachings trascend the figure itself, you don't have to read Nietzsche to be esposed to Nietzche principles, many things are done in it's semblance and his propositions have permeated the social fabric, into the constitution of many communities.

OP, God is very much alive. There is a great spiritual game afoot and the main reason to be apart of it (besides a quest for knowledge, understanding, wisdom, and truth) is to just believe in it. Try taking hallucinogenic, psychoactive, or entheogenic drugs and let your mind break down into it's most basic state and feel what there is to be if you let it all wash over you. Let all sensory become entwined and listen to what might be told. Music is energy. It creates in this physical reality. The human mind is a pathway of information to be processed and felt, at the same time, as if in separate functions. These processes and music give space in this world. In that space, God exists. In every space where there is a lack of physical, God exists. God always exists because there will always be more space. God isn't a being, but he is infinite possibility incarnate. Reality is only physical, but you exist metaphysically, mentally. All felt concept exists in the metaphysical world. Where do you think this can lead?

To my understanding he meant god is dead in that the need for a God has died and the uber mensch should become a God, god is but what societies seek and crave for,in the slave times of the romans to them it was a liberator,to the roman emperors it was the giver of victory,to the medieval serfs it was the great equaliser since at heaven only the just would go,to the enlightened it was a clockwork master who set the mechanics of the universe etc etc etc so and in his time the need for God had died and thus it was up to the man to becoming a force of his own values and will,thus a God by himself.

Absolutely, people push art and passion to give themselves meaning but it's already starting to crack as those arts and passions become meaningless and hedonistic "modern" garbage (see: modern art, modern music)

I doubt so. Maybe in China but it is next to impossible to distinguish their killing motive between religion and capitalism.

But again we are talking about 20th century as big numbers century. More people died between 1900-2000 slipping in bathtubs than during conquest of Britain for example.

I'm religious, just pointing out what Nietzsche said.

>Communism is utopia.
And religion is not? Still awaiting your 72 virgins?

I disagree with him (Soviets didn't kill people for being Christians, except clergy of course), but Soviet atrocities are a direct consequence of their ideology.
It wasn't some awkward mistake. Lenin was a butcher too. Trotsky would be no better. Stalin was just a product of communist ideology and culture.

Yeah, sure about the bathtubs bullshit. Btw I'm sourcing my statement on 'more than all previous centuries' from James Nelson - Psychology, Religion and Spirituality, a book Springer published a while back.

Religion offers a better social framework. In any case, communism is a form of religion too.
I'm personally agnostic.

But he also kickstarted post modernism by questioning logic asumptions over aesthetic ones.

Religion under capitalism is the "millions of dead bodies" that you're talking about.

Communism is christianity in action. Only atheists can be real Christians.

>smart people say religion is useless but people are basically retarded so they need it to not eat their own poo
>be you
>be proud to be part of the poo eating master race that needs religion to not do it
Topkek you kikebitches are hilarious.

Sup Forums is stupid and hasn't taken the "religion isn't true but people think it should be" pill yet

Yes they did, lol. The antireligious campaigns sent not only clergy but BELIEVERS to labour camps.

Nietzche followed this society. This society doesn't make right. Society in itself, isn't a whole. It doesn't make right. It makes it's own organisms. You can only learn as it from a whole. It is not the final, all whole. Nietzche was stuck on the level of societality as predicated by a necessity of logic. Logic isn't real, in essence. It's only conceptual. It's only a tool.

Yes this is obviously true. I don't even pay attention to most atheists because they beg from christian morality to judge christian morality (god is a murderer wahhh) without realizing that without a moral foundation, you are a moral and existential nihilist whether you like it or not.

Probably explains the bananas

6+6 bazillions is pure bullshit number.

Sources, information, studies. Back it up, boyo.

You have to go back

It's funny because Kierkegaard was more critical of Christians than Neitzsche was of Christianity. Kierkegaard was also quite humorous at times.

Pretty much, I saw that Harris/Craig debate the other day and it was painful. Craig basically performed verbal rape.

Oy vey, kike cult employs kike victimization magic tactics, who would have thought.

>Sideways
Kierkegaardian leap of faith is what he's most well known for imo, and he was deeply religious himself. He spent a shit ton of time finding contradictions and talking badly of Christians too. It's really quite interesting.

fuck off kacap

Where is this implied? It's stating a FACT of a number of deaths and relating this to a prediction Nietzsche made. Stop trying to shove muh jooz into a good quality thread.

yeah he actually sharted on organized religion and the retarded concept of god, not god himself. let the fedora and organized religion untermensch have their fun

he literally said the same thing with jesus with his "freigeist" philosophy. I'm talking about this saying of jesus;

>If you bring forth what is within you, it will save you. If you do not have it within you to bring forth, that which you lack will destroy you

Isolated cases perhaps. But there was no persecution of Christians, but persecution of organized religion and church. There is a difference. Of course in practice it was just more bloodshed.

>one of the greatest mathematicians of his generation
>not even autistic, a charming nice fellow
>gets MKULTRA´d and still doesn´t lose his full sanity bcs he´s that smart
>realizes technology will doom us all and that civilization is in for ugly times
>gets thrown in jail
>still tries to help people with their problems
Makes me rage and feel every time.

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Well Harris tried to do the same thing as Nietzche with his moral foundation book but failed miserably imo.

The strangest thing is that when christianity is true, people are in harmony and when it is not, people are lost. Christianity says this about itself. This is part of the reason I believe it's true.

>Kierkegaard

you should read on christian esotericism to understand him better user. mainstream religions are for plebs

shut up roach *slaps*

do not talk to me ever again!!!!!!!

Stop being brainwashed by Jewish tales cuck

We got a good manifesto out of it

gloria.tv/text/cjG3jYSycwv12YxjPxDMS1PDr


Also from Wikipedia:
The main target of the anti-religious campaign in the 1920s and 1930s was the Russian Orthodox Church, which had the largest number of faithful. Nearly all of its clergy, and many of its believers, were shot or sent to labour camps. Theological schools were closed, and church publications were prohibited. More than 85,000 Orthodox priests were shot in 1937 alone. Only a twelfth of the Russian Orthodox Church's priests were left functioning in their parishes by 1941.

Muh objective mortality

>Sideways

Not sure why it posted that way as it's correct when I look at it. I feel profound shame nevertheless.

Additionally, A Sickness Unto Death is one of the most profound and interesting works I've ever read and is for me the height of Keirkagaard even over Fear and Trembling which I know is the one most people seem to like. His criticisms of society and Christians were quite apt and are still relevant in this day and age, and the journals are probably the most quotable sources for them.

thanks for the thread OP, ignore the retarded memers

But that confirms what I said bro. Target was the church and it's supporters. They didn't target people for being Christian in private or even openly as long as you didn't "push it".
As for what real persecution based on religion looks like, see the treatment of Moriscos in post-Reconquista Spain.
Of course effects are similar, but I'm just trying to call things for what they are.

normally I would call bait but with the influx of Redditfags and normies since the US election I am no longer so sure.

Sup Forums is garbage tier now

Read again, thanks.

>and many of its believers, were shot or sent to labour camps.

Read the Letters of Metropolitan Sergii of Vilnius I posted as well - Soviet official stance is they only attacked those who broke the anti religious practise laws although the Letters show this isn't really true.

>but people are basically retarded
the point is, in your amoral atheistic worldview, the retards (sociopaths, etc) are actually not wrong.
because the truth value of moral claims do not exist

The whole point is that you don't need a dogmatic belief system to understand something as basic as that, just enough moral discussion in your life.

>to understand something as basic as that
understand what?
that without the existence of God, there is no right or wrong, and our lives are ultimately meaningless?

That without God your life it's yours and valuable for what it is and not for what God wants for you.

Soeren Kirkegaard is rather simple if you can read danish.

it is good answer to the idiotic thought games like "why cant we kill babies? What existential, godly power or natural law says otherwise?".
To that you can respond that your morals and ethics ARE your religion and thus the word of god.

I did my dissertation on Nietzsche and Schopenhauer OP, I've read most of what both of the guys have written. Ignore the last men plebbitors.

Is child rape or murder wrong then?

If it feels good do it, right?

God is dead was a responsse to Dostoevsky

>Because Nietzsche spoke as much GOOD about Christianity
what

>Read the Letters of Metropolitan Sergii of Vilnius
>These are a series of letters wrtten by the Russian Orthodox Metropolitan in Lithuania during the German occupation
Such author has near zero reliability.

It doesn't, and I wanna know who you be talking about that think it does.

What "God is Dead and we have killed him" means is that science has slowly pushed the cosmic, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient being that gave us meaning out of relevancy

More than the Soviet's government, lol. I'd take the word of Sergii over mass murderers anyday.

Your sentence doesn't make sense.

Serial child rapists/killers like doing what they do. Without god, who are you to judge them?

The fact is, there is no judgement without a judge.

this

I see plenty of judges, what I don't see is God.

Wait! I only agreed with this quote "The fact is, there is no judgement without a judge." I did not think about the rest. I'm sorry!

you guys hold to the moral truths we do because you know atheism is false, and that there is a right and wrong, and that God exists

Well discussion of faith argument is pointless...

>fedorafags on here bragging about Nietzsche's "antitheism",
I hardly see that. But go on user.

How do you know what is the opinion of God though? Which God are we even talking about? Or do we go with the ''all Gods are really just one''? So how do we know what his absolute moral authority says about matters?

By claiming your morality is guided by God, do you not elevate yourself to a God? By claiming to know what God's moral values are. Do we have to become our own Gods now?

No, I hold moral truths because it ensures my survival without resorting to extremes.

go to /lit/ the people on this board are fucking stupid...

>I once was blind but now I see

Seek God earnestly and he will reveal himself to you. Read the Bible and ask him to reveal himself to you. Then you will understand

>which god
not immediately relevant to the point i was making.
ontology vs epistemology