Social Nationalist General - /sng/

This is a thread for the discussion of anti-capitalist nationalism. We support the establishment of a workers state free of capitalist materialism and degeneracy.

Welcome:
Strasserists
Fascists
Distributists
Falange
National Bolsheviks
National Syndicalists
National Socialists
Jucheists
Jamahiriya
Ba'athists
Peronists
Stalinists
Anyone who is interested in revolutionary nationalism.

Not Welcome:
(((Capitalists)))
Libertarians/Anarchists left or right leaning
Marxists who oppose nationalism
Imperialists

Websites of interest:
Institute for National Revolutionary Studies:
institutenr.org/
Revolutionary National Socialism (Strasserism):
revolutionarynationalsocialism.wordpress.com/
Third Positionist National Revolutionary Forum:
thirdpositionist.freeforums.net/
Socialist workers party of England:
socialistworkerspartyengland.blogspot.com/
The Fourth Political Theory:
4pt.su/
Oswald Mosley:
oswaldmosley.com/

Essential reading:
Germany Tomorrow by Otto Strasser:
archive.org/stream/germanytomorrow019874mbp/germanytomorrow019874mbp_djvu.txt

Reflections on violence by Georges Sorel:
libcom.org/files/Sorel-Reflections-on-Violence-ed-Jennings.pdf

Manifesto of Gottfried Feder:
truthforgermans.com/wp-content/uploads/Gottfried-Feder-The-Manifesto-of-Breaking-the-Thraldom-of-Interest.pdf

25 point plan of the National Socialist German Workers Party:
avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/nsdappro.asp

Choice of texts from the Ba'ath party founders thought:
archive.org/details/ChoiceOfTextsFromTheBathPartyFoundersThought

The Green Book by Muammar Al Qaddafi:
911-truth.net/other-books/Muammar-Qaddafi-Green-Book-Eng.pdf

With the Century by Kim Il Sung:
korea-dpr.com/lib/202.pdf

European Socialism (Mosley):
oswaldmosley.com/european-socialism/

Third Position Book Store (Black Front Press):
blackfrontpress.blogspot.com/

Other urls found in this thread:

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youtube.com/watch?v=rA1LFD6xfi4
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youtube.com/watch?v=rEucAPOdDvg
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youtube.com/watch?v=LnncQKabYvM
youtube.com/watch?v=_KtoKsT6fLI
youtube.com/watch?v=0wDA0h6pZPA
youtube.com/watch?v=P0psF0cnLHE
amazon.com/Stalin-Enduring-Legacy-Kerry-Bolton/dp/1908476427
gommies.gom/fug/
gommies.gom/starve/
gommies.gom/ohfugme/
gommies.gom/ohshid/
gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
gommies.gom/wheresfood/
gommies.gom/benis/
youtube.com/watch?v=zZ7cHBFuKCc
youtube.com/watch?v=-Z0yhw5Xt7M
twitter.com/NSFWRedditGif

Stop calling it Social Nationalism, it's National Socialism or Strasserism, just not Hitlerism.

calling it national socialism will lead to misunderstanding and is not smart, even if it would be more accurate

Bump.

This desu, i am a Leninist and a nationalist, and if there was a thread named National-Socialism general i'd just gloss over it as another hitlerism thread and ignore it completely

Music:
March of the SA (Brownshirts):
youtube.com/watch?v=oHboON6nysE

Footsteps (North Korea):
youtube.com/watch?v=rA1LFD6xfi4

No Motherland Without You (North Korea):
youtu.be/zmI2yDAyWYI

North Korean Worker's Party Anthem:
youtube.com/watch?v=rEucAPOdDvg

National Anthem of Libya:
youtube.com/watch?v=N3rTBQ1qP2Q

Anthem of the Ba'ath Party:
youtube.com/watch?v=o4FwpVC9JVM

Marcha Peronista:
youtube.com/watch?v=LnncQKabYvM

Anthem of the BUF:
youtube.com/watch?v=_KtoKsT6fLI

Song of the fascist worker:
youtube.com/watch?v=0wDA0h6pZPA

Song of the NatSyn Falange:
youtube.com/watch?v=P0psF0cnLHE

>welcome
>Stalinists
KEK

Goebbels was a Hitlerist natsoc, not a strasserist

amazon.com/Stalin-Enduring-Legacy-Kerry-Bolton/dp/1908476427

/leftypol/ SUBVERSION THREAD

Screencaps of the communist shit heads raiding here:
and here:
FUCK THIS THREAD AND FUCK COMMIES

Well that's fine and all, but nobody even knows what Social Nationalism is, what's it even defined as?

There's slightly different variants on this thread. My copypasta doesn't include them but some pastas do.

He started out that way, just like Hitler did

Fuck (((CIA))) free market shills

>statists

The name makes for a good umbrella term to define a lot of different ideologies.
He was originally, and his economic views never changed much. He just joined Hitler to avoid getting purged.

Again, i guess socialist nationalism would be a better name, but think about it. Would YOU join any thread that explicitly had the word "socialist" in it? The name, although bad, works

Stalinism is still not nationalism let alone national socialism
>hitler started as a strasserist
KEK
>crypto-commie writes book to justify communism
Hitler was always anti-capitalist

Am I white?

> imperialism is bad
maybe you should just kys

>indian and nigger
no

This thread explicitly states that it's not just about NatSoc, which is why it's called a social nationalist general instead of NatSoc general. I'm not a stalinist personally but i think he had some good ideas (great purges + his idea of "socialism in one state" basically saying that everyone hates the USSR and the USSR needs to protect itself, which worked to an extent)

>Stalinism is still not nationalism let alone national socialism
Yeah, like I said, my pasta doesn't include Stalinism.

>Y--you're a Jew!
>Only people who support globalist capitalism are redpilled!
Lolbertarians need the gas chamber

>claims to be a nationalist
>is against imperialism
What did he mean by this?

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
gommies.gom/fug/
gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
gommies.gom/ohshid/
gommies.gom/1984/
gommies.gom/guck/
gommies.gom/probaganda/
gommies.gom/XDDDD/
gommies.gom/wheresfood/
gommies.gom/benis/

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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

Weren't American Indians honorary Aryans though?

>explicitly states that it's not just about NatSoc,
the theme is still nationalism, which Stalinism isnt

Yes because I basically am a Socialist and at this point only barely believe in the concept of Private Property.
>hitler started as a strasserist
He literally did, what do you think got him into the party? The plight of the German worker according to him. He ended up making tactical moves that forced him to compromise later on.

That sounds like an interesting combination of ethnicities, could you pose a face shot?

Is this the marxist-leninist pretending to be Third Position thread?

>Imperialists
What's wrong with these guys?

White enough in the American sense.

I think we need a disclaimer at the start of every /sng/ to just hide lolbertardian responses instead of taking the b8, hopefully they'll get bored and quit eventually

pretty much

He joined the party because he couldn't get the thought of it out of his head after hearing his first few speeches. He originally thought the party was retarded and doomed to fail.
pretty much

We should just call it democratic nationalism

I won't post a face shot but I do have white skin.

I... maybe?
t.marxist-leninist

Internationalist Nationalism is about as big an oxymoron as they come. There's a reason the idea of the Soviet New Man, Soviet patriotism, etc. never took off much, and that Yugoslavia degenerated into different factions as soon as there weren't many other countries able to help keep it up.

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>Internationalist Nationalism is about as big an oxymoron as they come.

This. The arguments usually go in circles and just end in both sides calling each other kikes (even though they're obviously the kikes).

>patriotism = nationalism
???

It is though, just not in a traditional sense. I mean when Berlin fell, you you heard the Soviet anthem, and you saw the Soviet flag. Not the flag of the allies or of like the league of nations or some dumb shit like that. Stalinism encouraged pro-Soviet nationalism. Please read up on it a bit more, like i said i don't support stalinism myself but you just sound a bit uneducated when it comes to it.

>muh aztecs would be in space right now if it werent for the white devil
just kys senpai

The people here are almost certainly in no way in favor of democracy and are likely strict authoritarians.

You are confusing nationalism with patriotism

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Said the country with the fourth largest military in the world, pursuing nukes and running mafias in other countries.

Fucking Communists and goat fucker dictatorship political parties are NOT welcome and are the enemy of any true Fascist or National Socialist.

>Pinoshit memes
You have to go back

> Cherry-picked images prove my point
Even as someone who doesn't like US intervention that's weak.
That's not generally what's assumed to be meant by internationalism though, national cooperation =/= internationalism going by the standard understanding.

>National Socialist
>SOCIALIST

Get educated about your supposed ideology. National Socialism's goal was to eliminate class conflict and instead unite the nation across class lines, serving not only the workers but all citizens of the nation and ensuring they all have the best life possible. Socialism is a great system in homogeneous, high-trust, low-crime societies.

>true Fascist
>posts Social democratic party poster
Really makes you think.

Their retardation knows no bounds.

youtube.com/watch?v=zZ7cHBFuKCc

>National Socialism's goal was to eliminate class conflict
yeah but not by eliminating the classes dipshit

This is a leftypol subversion thread

Remember to sage and hide

youtube.com/watch?v=-Z0yhw5Xt7M

Ironically SuccDems piss commies off more than Fascists.

Wrist shot? Nipple?

That's true.

Shit, also meant to respond to this:

Except this isn't leftypol at all, nor like it.

kys

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I'm serious and mean well, although I know my effort will not bare fruits:

This is madness. You can't be Nationalist unless you are "right wing", both culturally and socially.

Economics is secondary to nationalism, however it is primary in relation to its most basic objective: The gathering of resources.

To finalise, for you to come with these "ideas" you probably do not have the minimum understanding of the financial system.
And I do not necessarily mean today's complex and fucked up FS.

I mean, you probably have no idea how the Financial System worked in the XVIII century...

You either join the Financial System (which in this era is capitalist (in a way, only)) or you perish because there is no other way in which you can fund yourself.

Think about Argentina and South Euro countries, but mainly Argentina.

We can built a new Financial System, although I do not believe a Financial System can pop up which is not Capitalist that is not based in plain clear robbery.

(The Financial System today is still based on robbery, albeit hidden by debt)

It is a very complicated and tricky thing the Financial System. Gold or something like it would be based, but would also lead to significant destruction of economical capacity.

National Socialism, as in Nazi Germany, could as easily be National Capitalism.
Scandinavian commie governments are commie internally but externally are probably more capitalistic than Americans (about half the wealth of Scandi nations is innexistant and a fruit of clever manipulation);

You cannot escape capitalism because you simply cannot escape the markets.

Clool thread
It's B, by the way

suck a dick mate

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fuck you its a

Fuck I dun goofed
Maybe it's this one

>You can't be Nationalist unless you are "right wing", both culturally and socially.
Then explain how I'm a nationalist and a socialist

Wait no

You can be both right wing culturally and socially and still a socialist, he left out being economically left wing

>every thread

Fuck me in the ass, HERE it is
Afags BTFO

See

Post best flags

Fuck you, it is A

Nuh-uh!

STOP TRYING TO PUSH THIS SHIT HERE.

We may not like commies for being internationalists but it's like I said in their general. We should temporarily work with them to combat the libertarians.

so they can stab us in the back later?
I would rather work with libertarians than commies

Sup Forums isn't some hugbox circlejerk, get used to seeing opinions and ideas you don't like.

Libertarians will stab you in the back too. You're just a "communist" to them despite the fact that strasserism =/= communism. They don't understand nuance. They only see everything in black and white.
Report shit like this.

No negotiating with capitalists, communists we may be able to turn, i mean they are not blind, they see that both jews and Islam are everything but compatible with communism.

Bump

Thanks doc!

holy shit, the cognitive dissonance of this post lol

do you even know what fascism entails?

What?
Source?

Reminder that internationalism is the final redpill.

Yes, I left out being economically left wing, because you can chose to benefit a or b sector of your society (as in socialism) to develop it.
There's a lot of shadows in today's left/right in economics. As if the dukes and priests of yore were all up for off shores and foreigners controlling your economy.
You see this nonsense better in the E.U.:
My own state cannot buy a bank or a ship yard which has been around for more than 100 years... because it's socialist, unfair, and statist.

The solution? Sell it to the Communist government in China. IT IS RIDICULOUS TO SAY THIS IS RIGHT WING!

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Anyway, considering what I said earlier and what you asked me, I'd say that if you are a nationalist who also is a socialist... truly it does nor make sense. If socialism's goals is to achieve a communist society in which each and every man is the same, earns the same, whatever the same, what moral right do you have to draw the border in your nation? None.

If you are not different and everyone is the same diserves the same, if there is a "classless" society, why are you still "classing" people according to their Nation?

Not to mention that you probably are holding on to the "idea that nationalism derives from the French Revolution".
Yes it did.

But Nationalism makes a calling to something that happened way before, the coalescing of the Nation. Nationalism must respect its traditions, "laws", religion, culture, language, etc.

You cannot impose a dictat of a Jew (Marx) or a bunch of Judaised people and claim to be heir of the Christians.
You cannot create a new Nation (Socialism) and pretend that you abide by the Nation you just killed. Its very complex but I guess its geist is easy to grasp.

* Of course Nationalism is not static, it must adopt to the times in which it is living.
However, an American Nationalist can never be an American Nationalist, if his dream country, culture, whatever, is the Soviet Union.

even with their own global model, they couldn't appropriately control/monitor/govern local areas and issues. Those areas would need local expertise and understanding, therefore it would all be subdivided in to smaller subsections like countries/states/counties etc. it would end up being divided and as soon as that was the case some of those divisions would be isolationist.
I think anyway.
to counter that they wouldn't use might, they'd just stop free trade (or whatever they'd call it) and movement of resource.

atleast lolbertarians agree with the fundamental idea that all men are not created equal

Just in case you need more
> (OP)
>Bump

>Posts Pinochet Memes
>Probably also crys about muh free speech
>WITH.NO.SENSE.OF.IRONY

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Here, have a final bump, i gotta sleep i've been up browsing /sng/ threads for 2 hours basically.