When automation makes most of humanity unemployed...

>When automation makes most of humanity unemployed, the universal basic income will mean that people will become lazy and stay at ho-

Literally the dumbest argument ever.

>pic related

Name one previous innovation that left most of humanity unemployed

Automation IS the invention.
And it's slowly reaching a point of no return.

Many people engage in meaningless busy work to maintain class distinctions. Many jobs are either not needed by society, needed in less quantity, or could be greatly reduced through streamlining the system. The hard work cult has had its day.

Ai will eventually make that happen. its a matter of WHEN AI comes though.

Well yeah wed be much less productive, BUT wed be much better consumers, and probably more healthy too. Instead of being at the office all day id go do do fun shit and spend my free money all day, also spend more time at the gym, and get more sleep.

wait so drinking beer on a beach isn't being lazy? i mean, if robots do everything be lazy all you want, but i dont understand the point of your post.

literally the only good view on the entire shithole island

This. Anyone with a job can clearly see that either they or the people around them are surplus to requirement. I've had jobs where I've been told to work slower because people had nothing to do. I've also had jobs where I've had nothing much to do and could easily fit my workload in to a quarter of a shift.

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Do you know what happened? I thought it was the shitty mobile Sup Forums app i use fucking up but every thead has a 3 hr gap in comments

Are we back or am I dreaming? What happened, spaghettinigger?

Same thing that always happens.Mook fucked up.

We will just merge with the machines eventually. Large productivity gains.

don't see a beach anywhere except for far in the distance though, still even that looks like a cliff

the vast majority of the US economy functions this way.
Entire industries are propped up by government handouts, and nobody wants to admit it.
There simply aren't enough jobs, not enough capitalists, not enough things for people to do since we're so well off... or maybe it's just that there's a huge concentration of wealth in (((their))) hands. More specifically, the banks hands.

people who are motivated to do things do things. people who aren't, don't. money motivates some people to do things some certain way. lack of money doesn't stop people from being motivated.

Large gains you say?

literally one flaw in the automation systems and humanity get fked. Its even worse because everyones a hedonist and no one knows how to fix it.

I'm seeing the same thing and more talk about it too. My job was literally three hours of work per day if lucky and just about everyone else's was same...if lucky. There was more time spent on bullshit busy work and the boss was so out of touch that if he saw you looking a bit too social you got yelled at. Seriously, there was nothing to do an.orders got filled and stuff was sold etc etc..

It's a dumb "argument" because it's now what would go down.

When automation makes most of humanity unemployed, the mass culls will begin.

>universal basic income
A shitty meme that won't die and possibly even worse than communism in reality.

Like what jobs?

Isn't people not gaving to work all the time a good thing? I mean if there are only so many satisfying jobs to go around, why not just cut the work week to thee or four days and let more people do it? Really the only problem seems to be the greed of the already rich and powerful.

gas and sage this kike

This. Socialism is evil unless it's handouts to corporations. Them and government cronies socialize the risk and privatize the profits, and people are finally starting to figure that out.

But yeah, eventually there's just going to be too many people for too few jobs and at that point diehard capitalists either need to accept that MBI or such is needed or we'll have massive amounts of folks literally dying off in poverty like some neo black plague

every if you're a minority or mandated by gov to work for them.
almost all gov jobs

Try Eastern Europe.
I worked at a beer warehouse and worked as fast as I could, still couldn't keep up with the older guys at stacking orders.

With more people out & about doing things with their free time + money, there'll be too many people trying to do all the fun stuff. They'll leave garbage and mess shit up. The best part about the current system in this regard is that people (who are generally destructive) are kept busy en masse.

TL;DR Enjoy the current world while you can, if you can afford to.

Full automation and max demand are retarded commie nonsense

and i hope you stay in the oven

>eventually there's just going to be too many people for too few jobs
it's already that way user. government believe it or not WANTS to create jobs for people to work, it's good for everybody
> diehard capitalists either need to accept that MBI or such is needed or we'll have massive amounts of folks literally dying off in poverty like some neo black plague
agreed i'm afraid

There's not less people working, it's only people working in different fields. After the agricultural revolution people didn't just stand around living medieval lifestyles with high crop yield, they went into industrial professions, after the industrial revolution they went into service professions. Same with automation, people will go into other jobs because people have a desire to improve their lot in life and work is needed to achieve it. If I knew what kind of work, I'd go make a fortune in that, maybe it'll be space related economic activities or artistic, but just because we don't know what comes next doesn't people will stand around doing nothing.

beside all the industry building, maintaining and using the automation

if most of humanity is unemployed due to automation, what need would we even have for money?

user, you are either unbelievably naive or just retarded. Yes, there will be those who will use their free time for intellectual fulfillment, travel and fitness; on the other side there will be those that will sit in front of their televisions, binge TV shows and eat junk until they fall asleep. Some people are ambitious and motivated, others are lazy and come up with excuses. Just because you give them money and more free time doesn't mean everybody suddenly becomes ubermensch.

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Nobody wants to accept the reality that we need deflation

>I've had jobs where I've been told to work slower
this is every job

I don't even wan't the money, I want society to see how everything they thought was important was worthless all along, how they were supposed to supplement their lives with their jobs, not the other way around.

There is no innovation left to take humanity into a new, it went from agriculture to industry and industry into nothingness. Capitalism will eat itself out here. I just wish I survive long enough to see it go down and it will, nothing lasts forever, especially when we are talking efficiency here.

Come on Sup Forums, you have got to be blind to not see what is happening here. First these sack of shits put females in the work force, and then they made it so both of you working together cannot ever afford a house, then they made it so both of you living have to survive off of cards, then they inflated the cost of living and rent, then you have technology chipping away from behind. Cant wait till it all comes crashing down.

who is still successfully brainwashed into employment in this day in age anyway?

truly bizarre. you'd have to be a supermassive cuck.

UBI won't work. Robot economy will be a complete restructuring of everything.

1930s was caused by transition from horse-based economy to car-based. All those debts based on the old horse economy? They became worthless.

I'm a machinist and this is the norm even in the machine shop among co workers, all hard work gets you is even more work, so yes, milk that job just like they milk their workers. That "hard worker" meme was made by them so you can get paco to work impossible tasks for shti pay.

Nfnd

>AI can't replace people because the plow and cotton gin didn't!
Want to know how I know you went to public school?

Really looks like you ain't doing shit.

>hard to fill
>hard to clean

Automated ovens when?

Try working in a kitchen.

Industry went into service you idiot, just because you don't have the mind to see what's the next big thing doesn't mean there won't be anything.

That was my most recent job. Same shit.

>Work super hard
>feed more people
>everyone works intentionally slow

Automation cant replace the hand crafted crap people people overpay for now just for status

tell that to the FED

It amazes me how developed civilizations sorted the issue out by lowering their birth rates unintentionally yet the politicians push mass immigration cause "we need more workers", even in Spain where we have a 20%~unemployement rate and A LOT of people on wellfare.

get a job commie faggot. I still work. I still add value.
And i make a lot more at my job than i would on cuckfare

Fuck isreal.

Sincerly
t. American jew

>unintentionally

You are totally right mate. I've had many jobs where most people did FUCK ALL.I work from home now. less money but spend less and don't have to spend all day with scum of the earth

no. you pay for nigger welfare. you are my enemy.

They are not gonna be hooked up to the same system you retard.

Piton is pretty shit desu. It's like Caribbean Corona. There are some good beers on the island but the locals shove piton in your face because it has a tourist friendly label.

>He thinks everyone lives in Los Angeles
>He also thinks service jobs will save the middle class

You know how I know you live with mommy and daddy? Kys retard leaf.

Have something to say? Too bad I have left this thread.

bye

Man, even I fell for it.

This thread is 4 hours old and died when 4cheese had a stroke.
OP hasn't been around for hours.

Ditch this shit already.

Fire

apparently i'm paying for your nigger ass since you don't work either?
the solution isn't to not work you retard. the solution is to remove the slack.

>because SPOFs are allowed to exist in robust systems
What's it like to be a high school dropout?

UBI is a meme version of the welfare state. If automation makes most people unemployed money itself will be redefined. The debt based system can't work if there is no one to pay the debts.

Thats a mountainous island. Its beaches suck compared to flatter caribbean islands.

I wouldn't worry about the replacement system just yet. We're looking at serious bloodshed during our lifetime over this shit.

What island is it?

I'm excited for universal basic income. I'll be so delighted on they day I get to quit my job and stay at home for the rest of my life playing video games and jerking off. Can't come soon enough, if you ask me.

yeah you pay for me cause you're dumb as fucking shit

haha. unfortunately retards like you are the reason niggers want to come here in the first place. without welfare theyd just go to canada in an instant.

you are a traitor if you're working these days. you're a fucking fag.

>implying there will be grass, mountains, a clean blue sky and ocean and a nice view to relax to when UBI becomes a thing

Now you're just being a retardedicated jew

Right click reverse image search

How many kids can your neet income support?

6

If basic income becomes a thing I will be the first one to quiet my job and play video games all day instead.

>using Chrome
why not just suck off the nearest jew?

It doesn't matter if people are lazy and stay home. Their purpose is to be consumers and buy shit. When most of humanity is unemployed, no UBI means the destruction of the consumer economy.

no one else can post images right? I really wanted to post meme to this fag

every previous innovation has ultimately required a human being to control it.

When you have AI, that removes the need for a human controller.

Past innovations have put animals out of work instead of humans, we stopped using horses for transportation and stopped using horses, mules, and donkeys as pack animals and stopped using oxen for carrying heavy things.

Machines took their jobs, but we still need a human operator. Our job has always been to think and control and operate animals or machines. You get an AI and that won't be necessary anymore. Huge difference.

>muh general AI
That's a pipe dream in comparison to automation. Automation's fuck up societal stability in the West within 3 decades, easy.

Dumbass

thats st. lucia

True AI does not exist and likely will not ever. Automation is something completely different.

>Thinks universal basic income will not create ghettos of criminals like welfare already does....

>When you have AI, that removes the need for a human controller.
This is not going to happen
We will never get to a fully automated world

What does a picture of Soufriere have to do with automation or universal basic income? St. Lucia's economy is largely based on tourism and their chief export is bananas. Beautiful island, but they are quite poor.

by AI I also mean things like driverless cars and that's already becoming a thing.

Specialized AI's are what make automation with no human input a reality.

look at people when they retire. How many of them take up backpacking, interesting hobbies, physical fitness, cooking, etc.

look at how many people sit on a couch, complain about the previous generation, and watch tv till they rot away.

People like that guy are the exception. There are a % of people who would be fine without work, but there is a much larger % of people who are going to completely fall apart when they dont have the red hot brand of starvation and destitution to motivate them.

This is what pisses me off about typical jobs. I have to spend an arbitrary number of hours in a location to achieve the same results. Where if you just merely had a productivity goal and I'm able to finish everything in say 20 hours why the fuck do I have to bullshit around at a job instead of living my life for the same amount of pay.

>universal basic income
can someone explain this fucking meme to me?
the machines doing all the work would obviously be owned by the original owners of the factory/workplace
why in the world would they give a single penny to a bunch of lazy assholes who don't even work for them anymore?
like what actual reason is there that the owners of the automated assembly line would pay people for not working, if the sole purpose of automation is to stop paying people unnecessarily?

>AI
It's not really AI, right now it is just software designed specifically to replace human workers. True AI would literally mean the death of white collar work though.

They are still going to need to be maintained

(You)

>If people are rich they don't need more money. They will be lazy
>If people are poor, they don't want to work because they receive wage, not products of their labour

fuck you commie cunt go die
but this tiiime itsss diffeeerreeent we've almost blown the welfare state up to cancerous death proportions and we're so close to our goal of destroying america we can use this logic to kill you all finally!

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OR they'll just kill us all.

Something they have demonstrated far more aptitude for than giving us free shit.

If we ever approach star trek style replicator technology, we're all dead. They don't need us for anything at all, then.

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