Was the Iraq war worth it?

Was the Iraq war worth it?

Did we make things worse?

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You tell me? What positives were there? Thousands of dead US troops. Tens of thousands more injured. 1 million dead Iraqis. And TRILLIONS in the red.

And the worst part is, the neocons like John Bolton still think it was a good idea.

Hm... Absolute Desaster? Yes.
Failed States are left behind? Yes.
Helping IS rising to Power? Yes.
(To be fair, thats because the peoble down there seem all retarted, too.)
Leaving Europe with Millions of Refugees? Yes.
Yes, you went full retard, another time.

personally i can't wait for ww3 so i can take up arms with Russia against the diabetes nation that i'm too disgusted to name
and a lot of iraqis are like me
and a lot of people who identify with iraqis: arabs, muslims
+ i don't really see any good thing they got from it economically or strategically

>did it make Iraq worse?
Are you kidding? Making shit worse was the whole intent of that war.

I still need an explanation, how that country was a threat in any way, shape or form to the US hegemony in general and to the US way of life in particular.

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They just had oil we needed

we weren't in iraq

We really don't want to be fighting other people's wars but we keep getting dragged into it.

No.
But based on what many knew at the time it was almost inevitable.
Hind sight is 20/20 and seeing how those sandniggers handled freedom and opportunity, I don't want to waste any american blood on helping them ever again.
A wholesale bloody fucking slaughter where civilian casualties are a fucking bonus sure.

Iraq was a great wall between sunni/shia, and this is why we knocked it over.

What do you need all that oil for anyway?

Worse black eye on US foreign policy than Vietnam.

Had a history of aggression against its neighbours. Had been on the Saudi hit list for decades since they feared an anti-monarchy Ba'athist type uprising in the kingdom. I think ultimately Bush was manipulated into this war by the Saudis

Saddam had a history of aggression against his neighbours. He'd been on the Saudi hit list for decades since they feared an anti-monarchy Ba'athist type uprising in the kingdom. I think ultimately Bush was manipulated into this war by the Saudis

>Was the Iraq war worth it?
No
>Did we make things worse?
Yes
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I think this is a smokescreen. I don't think America actually got the oil. It's probably more likely it was just an excuse to validate the massive defense budgets.

Winners usually have black eyes. Losers end up in the morgue.

The petrodollar is one of the many things that american international wealth and influence is based on. Russian oil is dirt cheap, but USA has scaremongered it's allies - EU included - to say that buying their oil will finance our enemies in the coming WWIII. So instead oil is bought elsewhere, and it's important for the USA to control all of these locations, so that all their allies are depedent on the oil they and their puppets supply.

>seeing how those sandniggers handled freedom and opportunity, I don't want to waste any american blood on helping them ever again.
>hind sight is 20/20
>not remembering American intelligence agencies faked "proof" of WMDs and that their friends in the media drummed it up
>not taking issue with the pointless invasion of a country and execution of its leader (much like Libya, or what they plan to do in syria)

You should be a Fox News correspondent

Fun fact: Around late 2000, Saddam started selling oil in Euros instead of USDs, posing a threat to the USD. This is likely the real reason that we invaded. A USD crash would lead to some bullshit of biblical proportions on US streets.

In short, it may seem like it was worth it when you look at what was going on at the time, but an assassination would have been better. There would have been a short lived power vacuum and then they would have gotten another shitbag strongman dictator, and the message would have been sent not to fuck with the USD.

they did force iraq to sell oil in dollars
ie the petro dollar
ie tax oil into supporting a non fiat currency and making said currency international
as opposed to saddam who started to sell oil in euro and trade it for goods

>not remembering American intelligence agencies faked "proof" of WMDs and that their friends in the media drummed it up

I remember, which is why I can't grasp how people still take them at their word.

Only two aggressions, the first was at the behest on the USA and the reason he came to power in the first place.
The second one was an act of desperation, which not only ended in his humiliation, but also in brutal sanctions against it's civil population.
Worth it according to Albright.
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Which make them going about >muh children in Syria actually more hillarious.

Depends.

If Saddam had really started to sell oil in Euros instead of Dollars, and other countries would've followed suit, who knows what a disaster it would've been to the US.

Unfortunately we live in a world where it's necessary to shoot innocent people to keep what is yours.

>Which make them going about >muh children in Syria actually more hillarious.
this
always makes me laugh when an american tries to act like it posses a conscious and a soul and various human concepts
just lowly beasts herded by jews

It was worth it because it achieved all of the strategic goals the US had in the region. The ultimate aim was to wipe out Pan-Arabism, which we did. The Sunni-Shiite conflict is a bonus. It took 50 years, but we finally removed any chance the Arab states had to consolidate power.

>who knows what a disaster it would've been to the US.
being forced to return to gold standards and not run an economy based on stealing?

December 2001 China joins World Trade Organization
2003 Iraq War China gets most of the oil archive.is/L64P6
Fast forward to today where China exploded in economic development. Recall a saying by Henry Kissinger, control food, you control people, control oil, you control entire economies. The US/globalists have been through backdoor methods helping to build up China as the successor super power to the US.

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...that K:D...

This guy gets it.
I hate the
>hurr durr you lost cuz Iraq is bad now
Argument.
Lolokay. You don't use a sledgehammer to BUILD houses, ass.

this.

what did america get out of iraq exactly? it seems utterly pointless.

>we
yes you did make things worse

No. Saddam was a secular dictator and that made him the mortal enemy of the people behind 9/11.

Osama Bin Laden called Hussein an infidel and Saddam's secret military police the Fedayeen were tasked with keeping Islamists out of Iraq.

If you see Iran as a promising potential trade partner, not at all. If you don't like Persians and want to contain them, oh yes it made things worse.

The same thing it got from removing Mosaddeq and Gaddaffi. It's why they want Bashar gone too.
The US want puppets and disorder in ME.

Why support communists though?

It wasn't. This whole thing is just a machination towards a one world(western) government. Globalism is a hell of a drug(for the elite).

was saddam white? this is far more important.

Because communists support a totalitarian world government.

no. yes.

Iraq war increased USD in circulation over 1 trillion, so of course it was "worth it".. like every losing US war.
Expansion of transnational capitalism is a slash and burn operation.

No, it was fucking retarded. Yes, much worse.

May the souls of those who orchestrated the lead up to the war burn in hellfire for all eternity. No punishment is too cruel for the vile demons who started that war, and the rest of the disorder in the ME.

I see you're too young to remember 2003. Here's your positives:

Iraqi army neutered, battered, and destroyed in a matter of weeks.

Saddam found in a spiderhole hiding like a dog. Only asshole dictator in history to pay for his crimes with a full trial and public execution.

Libfags blown out. Their constant state of REEEE over the war was like a run up to everything happening with them under Trump.

Comfy as fuck. America felt safe and visibly accomplished something, taking out a long time enemy.

By every metric, we won the war. We crushed Saddam. We defeated the insurgents (civilian and military casualties plummeted following the 2006 surge).

ISIS only happened because Obozo pulled out the troops too soon, and left a huge chasm. Once again, all blame can be squarely put on idiot Dems.

Then why fight the USSR then?
What was the reason for the Cold War?

Didn't Saddam feed people into wood chippers?
The war itself only lasted a few days, had zero casualties and stripped him of power so it was breddy good actually.
It's the occupation and nation building that was a shitshow.

No
Yes
Globalist convinced W. that we can liberate the Middle East. They lied.

Fake war. US secretly helped build up Russia too, we had lots of people within the government working with Russia. The same class of globalist profit mongers, once a power declines and falls off, they fleece it once more like in 93 and possibly if there is a US collapse. Territory, industry and resources will be sold off in firesale to interested parties, decline is very profitable.

To stop them from taking over Europe, obviously.

Much worse for whites. Was Saddam /ourguy/?

I know it doesn't matter now but Alot of us feel the sam way.

They had a semi-secular government, so they had to install some sharia law bashing puppet.

This serves greater Israel, because when all the leaders in the Greater Israel area are muslim extremists, it'd be easier for the world to accept the bombing of those places and Israel can advance.

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neo con pls fuck off

we didnt even get the oil

We didn't get any oil. The price for it here is shit. Most of the oil was being sold to China.

fuck you and fuck the idiot sad am.

Spotted the jew... Get back in the oven you filthy kike!

No, but his political party was similar in many ways to national socialism, which is a major reason (((they))) hated him.

Not to mention that oil is so cheap now everywhere except the damn pump.

Oh, and Saddam did deserve it and worse but the whole war wasn't because someone wanted to use billions to remove the bad man for "safety".

nice proxy

He wanted to trade oil in euros.

You're a shithead and you should commit suicide with a microwave oven.

The invasion of Iraq was a war crime and the entirety Bush administration should have been condemned to life in prison or death for their crimes.

Viceroy Paul Bremer and the rest of the American occupation government completely fucked up the transition after the fall of the Iraqi government and plunged Iraq into chaos well before the start of Bush's second term.

The turmoil in Iraq is now metastatizing, spreading threatening to permanently destabilize Europe.

It was a war started with the intent of destabilizing Iraq and propping up oil prices to benefit American oil corporations. It was a war justified with lies. It is a war that has killed millions. It is not over. It is just beginning.

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>kike-ish rendition of the war in iraq
reddit nigger, please leave

>invade a country
>Saudi Arabia spawns moar jihadists
>kill a secular dictator
>spawn moar arab jihadists
>kill another secular dictator
>GEE I THINK I KNOW HOW THIS PATTERN GOES
>the majority of the middle east thanks to knocking off the people who keep those people pushed out
>the Deep State continues to lobby to take out Assad

The CIA and Israel are furious at Trump for sharing ISIS locations with Russia because the CIA and Mossad ARE ISIS.

*Concedes land to Israel*

A certain people could not let the US get a foothold in the Mideast more meaningfully than what we got from having a certain (((ally))) there that we fund. Especially Iraq, a country in between the two regional powers of Saudi Arabia and Iran, that holds 10% of the world's exported oil. So they used their influence over the media, hollywood, leftist political parties, etc... to delegitimize any gain the US had. They screamed their mantras of "No blood for oil" and "Bush lied people died" over and over until we pulled out and left any possibility of gaining anything useful out of Iraq. All so (((they))) would still be our #1 concern in the region and still get our dollars.

I see you're too young to remember prior to 2003.

Ar-are you retarded? Who the fuck do you think put Sadam in power?

Jesus read a fucking book.

I did 2 tours there Ramadi right after the invasion and Baghdad in 07. Both tours we could tell what we were doing would have zero lasting benefit. Iraq didn't want self rule. Or to join civilization. It wanted a less cruel dictator. That's it. We were trying to impose a way of life simply not suited to the culture.

So we ended up making things worse while trying to make things better.

>Iraqi army neutered, battered, and destroyed in a matter of weeks.
An army which did nothing to attack the United States or US interests, but instead was used to maintain stability in Iraq and hold the fundamentalist movements at bay
>Only asshole dictator in history to pay for his crimes with a full trial and public execution.
So the man running a country half a world away is an asshole for killing some people, but sending your military to a foreign country to slaughter civilians and soldiers alike to put a foreigner on trial in your country and murdering him is fine? :thinking:
>Libfags blown out. Their constant state of REEEE over the war was like a run up to everything happening with them under Trump.
The libfags have justification now to oppose conservatism precisely because of the war. Granted, the revealed lies did help some people become more redpilled about trusting the government but hey
>America felt safe and visibly accomplished something, taking out a long time enemy.
Iraq was not a 'long-term enemy' but had worked closely with the US on occasions before, most notably in the Iraq-Iranian War. And not sure if you felt safe or not but this has promoted terrorism intensely so have fun 'feeling' safe.
>By every metric, we won the war. We crushed Saddam. We defeated the insurgents
I mean sure the United States succeeded in defeating a middle-eastern country, I guess compared to your failure in afghanistan it seems noteworthy. But the very goal of the war, though achieved, had severe negative consequences to its nothing to brag about.
>ISIS only happened because Obozo pulled out the troops too soon, and left a huge chasm. Once again, all blame can be squarely put on idiot Dems.
So what would you have us do? Occupy it as if it was a colony or something? Like it was already ridiculously expensive to take it over sustaining that only makes it worse

The only thing that can control the perpetual turmoil of the Middle East is a secular dictator with an iron fist.
America has dispatched two of them already, and is on it's way to removing a third. Saddam, Qaddafi, and now Assad.
What has happened since is no surprise.

No, saddam was /ourguy

Go away, Iraq. Let us discuss your country in peace.

I said we should make it a state. but nobody listened.

>about us
>without us
this is Czechoslovakia 2.0

How can we have a nice echo chamber when there's people here who actually know what they are talking about?

The only reason was to get a rothschild bank and take oil. (((They))) won.

Those three secular dictators also acted against American interests.

k enjoy your chamber
why is image upload not working btw? same for you?

*Saudi/Israeli

Because it's mine, bitch. Fuck you!!!