/lrg/ - LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL: HOPPE CRUSOE ECONOMICS Edition

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This thread is for Discussion of Capitalism, Libertarianism, Paleolibertarianism, Anarcho-Capitalism, Minarchism, and the PHYSICAL REMOVAL of COMMUNIST FAGS from our board of peace. A reminder that this is the Libertarian RIGHT General. Aleppo Johnson-fags, Left-Libertarians, and other Shit-Libs need to fuck off. Voice your complaints to r/libertarian.

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First for private militias to guard my opium fields

Well?

>Paleolibertarianism
Is that like libertarianism, but with donkey jaws on sticks instead of AR 15 fully automatic assault RPG's?

Based Andrew Ryan. I remember when Bioshock came out in 07 and I got it on release day, I had a blast playing that game over the years.

there were no roads back then

maybe that's why libertarians remember the palaeolithic so fondly

It's an older term for right libertarianism: conservative values plus a free market ideology, i.e. Paleo & Mean.

No.

t. man in the Vatican

I also just realized this joke would've been amazing if I had used a Vatican City proxy. Fuck me.

You did good anyway Hans. That was a great smash.

Bump

Another bump

I just realized something about stormies. I feel dumb for not having noticed earlier but it goes like this: Libertarians are often self-described as "fiscally conservative and socially liberal". Stormies are the opposite, they are more often than not "socially conservative and fiscally leftist".

Think about it, when asked most Neetsocs that complain about the welfare state or "free" stuff they do it just because of shitskins benefiting from it. They in fact love these things or at least consider them positive, they just don't want it to benefit racially distinct people.

In short, stormfags don't ind having half your wage taken away so it can be given to a loser that hasn't had a job in three years because he's playing videogames all day at home... as long as that loser is white and christian.

This is why I find all this "greatest ally" bullshit absolutely outrageous. Nazis have absolutely nothing to offer and no points in common other than the fact they hate leftists too, being they not smart enough to realize they're pretty much for everything leftists defend except for a few superficial issues like identity politics.

Thoughts on this?

I think they would just say "losers" ought to be punished or executed, their "philosophy" is not one of Liberty.

They can bitch all they want about culture and society, but economic laws and praxeological axioms still exist.

Wassap my freedom loving Bros.

Libertarian is always right

Kek its true faggotswe consider free education and healthcare a must in a raciallyy and cultural homogenous society.The fact that it took you this long to realize shows me just how much of dumb faggot you can be....kek.
Also in Germany there was no welfare for lazy fucks if you refused to work you would be assigned a work place and be forced to go.
Also that leddit spacing.....nice.

Who says were socially liberal? Anyway the point of allying with nationalists is fighting against globalism. Breaking free from the global unions are both of our goals were not gonna be friends forever.

Oh it's the same gypsy from every other thread. Shoo shoo gypsy you're driving down the property values of this thread

I'm only natsoc because I'm pretty sure that if you try to end your central bank and fight the international finance system from your country they will try to come up with a reason to invade you. natsoc has nothing to do with welfare, it is about gearing up for the inevitable war

We can do physical removal too.

What makes you think Gypsies will be allowed in the ethnostate?

You're the ones being removed my friend.

cia?

It's not free, you retard.

Yeah, removal of my property from my wallet.
Legalise "murdering" communists nao. Deus vult.

On the subject of natsoc enonomy, consider this: since they are proponents of the "white ethnoSTATE", they have no problem with their citizens (white people) being commited violence against by the state in order to sustain it's existence. If you know a little bit about statist economics of course, you realize that the powers that be don't care about the demographic that is supposed to represent the state. The gov't lives at the expense of their own people, not the other way around, This obviously contradicts with the natsoc stance that white people should determine their own fate and pursue their own happiness. The only way this could maybe work is in the case of a benevolent dictator (muh second Hitler), but also then nothing is forever. His successors may be completely opposed to his ideals, or maybe democracy gets restored because of the incompetence of some autocrat. And we all know democracy and cultural marxism go hand in hand.

tl;dr: don't let some corruptable bureaucrat decide over the future of the white race

Nice adhominem,also what ethnostate i have my country from which gypsys and any other shitskin needs to be purged,kek.Also not an argument faggs.

bumping for economic mastery

it wouldnt go down like that in NatSoc, at all. The lazy ass playing videogames could survive maybe, sure.. but he'd be stuck at lowest class.
Ideally you have an universal income which is very low, but with which you can survive (barely). Beyond that if you want more $ you need to do something productive. So lazy ass could never afford to have kids and would be wiped from the genetic pool.
Workers would be entitled to this universal income plus their earnings.

That image is a pretty accurate depiction of these threads.

Anything UBI is insane, even if it is a "very low" one.

This can only be proposed by people that do not understand incentives.

and armed and informed population would ensure no such traitors would ever reach power. A system of tests of aptitude, mental, moral and physical where only the top have a chance of gaining power would be in place.

people don't just work for money. Look at all the great scientists, they didn't invent to sell, but gave away their knowledge for free.

>they are more often than not "socially conservative and fiscally leftist"
>implying that's bad
You've already sold your ass to the internationalist jewish wall street. What is there more to discuss? Remember to remove borders and taxes they are worst than the holohoax.

>invent bullshit mumbojumbo pseudo-religion to reinforce your economic position using lots of insider-terminology and references to stuff only your fellow believers would even understand
>engage any opponent with pedantry and definition shifting and proofs derived from nothing but your own camps consensus
>exclude anyone who doesnt agree as a valid source

capitalists are literally the left.

you got one extreme, which says "you don't work, you don't eat". It comes straight from the Bible and was applied in communism too.
The other extreme is "you can live at the expense of others", which is cancerous too.
A minimum share of your earning to the community is a fair trade. Such community made you the person you are. It wouldn't just pay for lazy asses to play videogames and fap. Such behaviour would be highly encouraged anyway

I meant discouraged*

To be honest m8, I like palling around with Nazis. I won't help then implement national socialism but they're cool enough to socialize with. I don't wanna be /liberty/ where helicopter discussion is frowned upon and everyone is trying to show how not alt-right they are.

hey, i'm fine with letting you ancaps have your "corporate zone" to play with lawlessness and trade with you.
Just know that your system can't work with banks and/or usury. Oh and jews.

Anyway, Slovakbro reporting in for life, liberty, and the pursuit of violence against political opponents, so to speak.
Some interesting shit I've dug up:
Augustus Sol Invictus may just be the most interesting guy in the right libertarian sphere. Here's some of his videos.
youtube com/watch?v=HPQ9yh0gWoE
youtube com/watch?v=wy2O7CPNmqI
youtube com/watch?v=wy2O7CPNmqI
Very recently, Mike Enoch was on the Radical Agenda, so that's something to check out - also some other videos of his:
youtube com/watch?v=aSz_L1WZS7w - Mike Enoch
youtube com/watch?v=ae_9K26ipZs - Paddy Tarleton
youtube com/watch?v=2RdnvahTAnU - speech by Cantwell at the Pikeville rally
Also, check out this dank Jew. Fuckin BASED:
rothbard.altervista org/articles/kulturkampf1.pdf - Kulturkampf
rothbard.altervista org/articles/race-murray.pdf - Race! That Murray Book
Carry on, goys.

>Lawlessness
Dude, I'm pretty sure you and I discussed in great detail that ancap is not lawlessness.

Then it'll just be ethnic Romanians suffering from retarded economic policies. Real improvement right there.

>he could never afford kids
What about the fact that a natsoc society will pay you to have kids and will lead to a similar situation to today where you have dregs shitting out like 6 kids and living off the government.

ok good like with your private law enforcers, who will enforce the law of the highest payer, ie the ultra rich

Also, friendly reminder that phisical removal merely means ostracism and social exclusion.

Why waste helicopter fuel when you can just leave commies starve to death?

>international jewish wall street
The Jews are going to kvetch so hard when Bitcoin becomes mainstream. You think they have an interest in freeing the raging bull of the economy? They like the restrictions put in place to not let smaller businesses run by gentiles compete with the Jew-owned large corporations.

Thank you for being so understanding.

Many of them died old and sad and underappreciated. When people don't value charity, you can't afford to be overly charitable. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Well initially having kids would be encouraged with interest free loans to stabilize population since whites are in decline.
You would never be able to have those many kids living off welfare.
The universal income would give workers a chance to climb the economic ladder. There are million of workers stuck at a salary with no saving capacity to invest. With the additional income, smart ones could start business and climb.
Nature would put everyone where they belong anyway.

Hello Slovakbro!

Is everybody so immoral where you come from?
It's not in the enforcers' best interest to be pawns of the elite when the population is armed to the teeth, so this falls even from Ayn Rand or Stirner's perspectives.

What about IP? Will architects and chip designers starve?

You hit the issue at the head. This is the core of NatSoc. Such individuals would be highly praised and would be at the upper levels of hierarchy, always.
Unlike today where money$$ says where you are in the ladder.
The more you work and sacrifice for your nation and countrymen, the more you climb in NatSoc.

Just to be clear I AM for throwing Marxists from helicopters. If the government threatened to "seize the means of production" you'd probably agree.

look, competing coorporations who care only about profit would be the name of the game. Because in your system everything has a price and its all about money.
So these corps would probably engage in warfare, cyberwarfare and would hire private armies to destroy each other. Conglomerates would form from the joining of most powerful corps. Conglomerates would fight each other for monopoly. The end result would be the most rich and brutal would rule, and that would be the end of your anarchy.
I think you ancaps are either ignorant of history, nature of man, or both.

who would organize the tests and set the standards?

What is your favourite economic myth? Mine is "Speculation is bad for the economy". Also known as "Speculation makes prices rise". I remember reading Hazlitt's book and I was utterly blown the fuck out when I learnt the truth about how wrong it actually is.

That's the feel when you remember/realize how wrong the common sense can often be.

Can I own a gyrocopter and fly it wherever, whenever and however I like in Ancapistan? I really wanna own a gyrocopter.

lol

Great to see you here, Portubro.
Thinking of starting my own pastebin for the general, involving stuff that'll appeal more to the race-realist part of Sup Forums.

Property is theft, Aynclaps.

Lovely, I would like that.

>/autism general/

I get you don't believe in property. How can you steal that which not property?

The tests would be done taking into account modern scientific knowledge on biology, anthropology, psychology, sociology. Imagine hundreds of trick questions on how would an individual act on a certain scenario, etc. The individuals who tend to act in self interest would be filtered. Also lie detectors.
These tests would be up online for anyone to do and everyone could show up to be in position of govt in they pass.
The tests would be discussed endlessly by the population and changes suggested. Thats about as democratic as this would go.

SAGE

>Property is theft, Aynclaps.
Than go open your own coffee shop and quit being a wagecuck

fuck off commie

Crashing this government.

Any society that does not value its contributors is doomed to fail and rightfully so. Any government intervention against this fact is an act of blasphemy and is unrighteous. You don't have a right to force degenerates not to be degenerate, they deserve what's coming for them, it's God's will.
I'm not saying they shouldn't be charitable if they wish, I'm saying they shouldn't do things for free if they don't want to. Their role is contribution to society and such actions don't come cheap, even from the most refined individuals.
I'd provide hospitality to any countryman who helped advance our great nation. It would be an honor to me to house a great man. However, this makes me a good man too. Men who aren't willing to do it voluntarily should not be granted the same privilege, because they don't deserve it. They'd be dishonest, and it's all because of the government that forced them to perform a service they would have expected monetary payment for.
National Socialism is unjust and unfair to its own citizens whom it claims to represent, better and protect, yet it does the precise opposite.

again, the people who set the criteria are equally corruptable as the autocrats they're supposed to prevent

>Property is theft
>Theft is stealing property
>But property doesn't exist
>We should steal property which is stealing in itself but also not call it stealing because property is theft.
>PS: We're the good guys, praise Marx.

>The individuals who tend to act in self interest would be filtered.
So everyone gets filtered?

Oh yes, assertive commies all get the heli treatment (unless they happen to be in good health and of good stock, in which case their organs and gametes shall be harvested).

i dont think you understand natsoc. You think there were thousands living off welfare scratching their balls in NS Germany?
The 3rd reich had the biggest employement program ever done by any country. Literally everyone was working

Slovakia, you really know how to party.

whats the argument

>Literally everyone was working
So was everyone in the USSR. Doesn't mean shit when you're taking from the productive to pay for a bunch of useless government workers.

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it would be in their self interest to not act in self interest in order to be in a highly respectable position.
People care more about prestige and social validation than moneyz. It just so happens that money is that which gives you prestige in capitalist societies.
Whereas in natsoc a scientist who worked his ass and gave his patents to the state for mass production of something useful would enjoy more prestige than the rich industrialist who just runs a business for the well being of his family.

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This, socialism in all forms is disgenic. Stop subsidizing bad work ethic.

The heads of the corporations are too few. Why should a man fight for their money whan he can fight for himself and all that is his, including his people?
I know for a fact that I would prefer my own over somebody else's own, and I value freedom above all else.
With how laughably easy it is to sabotage the government, if there was economic incentive to engage in endless warfare DIRECTLY (of course, arms companies are delighted to sell their goods as long as the war goes on far away from them), people would already be doing it. In Mexico, it is the case with the cartels, and it used to be the case with the Mafia syndicates as well.
Conglomerates are fractured and they still rely on the blood and sweat of men who are better than them. That's bound to fail, as good men only follow their superiors, and there aren't many superiors to a man hardened by war and swatted around by the free hand of the market, having to put actual effort (both physical and mental) to feed his family and folk. These superiors don't hire mercenaries to create chaos, either.
You're talking out of your ass and describing government while supposedly talking about corporations.

When NatSoc is fully applied the govt isn't funded with taxpayer money. There are no taxes.
The govt prints more money to pay its workers. Its a fiat system under a public owned central bank.
Same with infrastructure, hospitals, schools, illumination, etc. It wouldnt be paid with taxes but money would be printed for these buildings and to pay workers etc. The materials would be bought from private business.

Kek

As long as the property owners don't mind you flying over their property, you should be good. I'd get a walkie-talkie, though.

>All these Ancap memes
>libertarian general

Libertarians are not AnCaps. Libertarians believe in government

>it would be in their self interest to not act in self interest in order to be in a highly respectable position.
You are aware that's exactly what scummy politicians do today, right? So all you're doing is making sure only the scummiest among them make it.
>Whereas in natsoc a scientist who worked his ass and gave his patents to the state for mass production of something useful would enjoy more prestige than the rich industrialist who just runs a business for the well being of his family.
Oh great he'll get a nice medal. How wonderful. If I remember right Kalashnikov didn't get shit for his contributions. But that's the state for ya.

>socialism in all forms is disgenic
surely not ALL forms, or are you anti-family?

Anyone?...

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>The govt prints more money to pay its workers.
Enjoy your hyperinflation then.
>Same with infrastructure, hospitals, schools, illumination, etc. It wouldnt be paid with taxes but money would be printed for these buildings and to pay workers etc.
Jesus christ that's so retarded. Are you the same idiot from the other day that thought national debt comes from central banks?

what the fuck does that say???

my dyslexia is fucking up my eyes with that lettering

I'm not anti family but it's clear if you give your kids everything they turn into spoiled brats. In this case socialism has made the family structure worse.

Thanks, lad. Here - a photo of a proud Slovak man BTFOing /leftypol/ in 1968.

"The Cultural Consequences of Fiat Money" youtube.com/watch?v=SAN5CKbZnD0

Cucked ones do.

>Pro-Open Borders
>Pro-Splintered Easily Conquerable Society
>Anti-Nativist
I really fail to see a single attractive thing about Libertarianism in practice.
It's beady-eyed Anglo on steroids with a hefty dose of judaism mixed in.
The biggest thing you've got going for is shit Classic Liberal-Conservatives already give lip service to, bodily autonomy and ever lower taxes.

lol private mercenaries are nothing new and they would be common thing in your ancap hellhole.
With your little to no sense of community because you have no representation, you would be like little tribes spread all over the land each running a different business and trading over a huge and complex market.
Cartels are a good example of how business would run in your ancap. Since there is nothing to enforce legality or illegality, everything would be treated like its cocaine, or like its apples, doesn't matter.
End result, just like nature, the strong and smart would end up ruling, through wealth, but without moral guidelines. No morality.
Thus it would be hell. The rulers need to be of good morals. Morals would be against maximum profit in your ultra capitalism.