I'm a civic nationalist. Ask me anything

I'm a civic nationalist. Ask me anything.

why are you a ccuck

Are you a former trump supporter? If so, do you find it hilarious watching him crash and burn? And what's your opinion on giving him the nuclear codes?

Do you think Ireland would be the same country with a majority Indian population except only with indoor plumbing and brown people sounding like Shrek?

I'm going to ask you to fuck off.

Why do you hate white people?

what does civic nationalism even mean and how is it any different from ordinary nationalism?
pro tip: civic nationalism is not a real thing

I'm not a cuck. My reasons for being civic is that I don't want to alienate the current minorities that are here already. This allows for a nationalist political agenda with tight immigration, strong law and order and national pride. It's common sense.

civil nationalism doesn´t exist. Cause a nation is not about a piece of paper, but roots and identity.

describing yourself as civic nationalist is an insult to your nation and ancestors, it's better to be a liberal than a filthy traitor

Why do you wish to destroy the Italian people?

I love Trump. He's restoring national pride amongst all americans.

No. do you think i want that? It's tactical to be civic nationalist.

I'm going to ask you to get some sense. Your brand of politics will never work.

I love white people and I'm proud to be white. Everyone should be proud of their race.

Majority of Americans hate Trump. Like 80%. He's getting impeached soon.

Whats it like being a faggot?

I don't.

I just want to have a nationalist agenda without alienating minorities. White nationalism will never work.

The democrats will probably win in 2020. Imagine the state of america then. God bless Trump

if pablo, mohammed, and tyrone are all leaching off your paycheck, and they kill your dog for shittinng in their shitting street

Who rapes your wife first?

gays are mentally ill. Btw I don't accept homosexuality but i would never introduce policies that harmed them in any way. Except gay marriage. That's a religious bond between a man and a woman.

>without alienating minorities.
Minorities opinions should not be a consideration.
They're inevitably hostile to anti-immigration views at any rate.

>leaching off your pay check

My ideal nation would not be a welfare state. I'd encourage national pride and a will to go out and work!

why does it matter who you are? civic nationalist ignore and dismiss and difference in race and believe in the magic dirt theory

Was wondering this as well

>nationalist agenda without alienating minorities
if you are a nationalist then minorities are already aliens in your nation by definition, you cannot "alienate" aliens

>White nationalism will never work
how about National nationalism (actual nationalism)?

>civic nationalist
Never heard about it before and thanks to you I'd just read up some. Good stuff! Classy.

Cheers

maybe you should start an ideology called Civicism instead, makes more sense considering the nationalist aspect of Civic Nationalism is completely thrown out of the window anyway

God bless Israel. I am jealous of your ethnostate.

>National nationalism

what do you mean.

I mean blacks and other ethnicities who have lived here all their life. They are citizens under the law and should be treated as such.

Does you spine hurt too after you Auto fellatio? Asking for a civic national friend.

if i could i probably would try desu. what's it like?

your ideal nation does not exist. How do you create it?

>what do you mean
"(Actual Nationalism)" meaning nationalism for your nation's people and not for aliens

I will ask him.

He said all Civic Nationals do it, so either you're not one or you are lying about not sucking your own cock.

your ethno state is my oven kike

Ideally that's what I'd like but how can we achieve that without alienating the non-whites that are here?

small government with none to very little social welfare programs. in a way that would drive the undesirables out.

>Sup Forums loves Trump
>Trump is a civic nationalist
>Sup Forums hates civic nationalists

Breathe in a can of Zyklon-B for the good of the board.

To me Trump is civic nationalist and his political strategy is the one I'd aspire to have here. It works.

(((Civic))) nationalist

FUCK OFF KIKE

there's some people who think Trump was gonna be 1488 just because he used common sense to ban muslims and be strong on illegal immigration. we could have all that without hurting the non-whites that are here already. That's why that strategy is the one that'll work!

Are you a jew or do you have a non-white gf?

I don't get the alt-right's obsession with Putin

I'm a catholic married to an irish girl.

>unironically putting Putin next to 3 populists
whoever made that pic is retardu

>I'm a civic nationalist. Ask me anything.
Why do you believe it's just a coincidence that western civilization was created by White people?

>I'm a civic nationalist. Ask me anything.
Since you believe a darkie could be Irish, do you believe a darkie could be Japanese?

Not wanting to start WW3 isn't really an obsession with someone

Incorrect.
The moderm european nation state is a concept comprising territorial, legal, (often fabricated) ethnic and historical factors.
In other words its civic nationalism is true nationalism

>In other words its civic nationalism is true nationalism
So when every White Polish person in Poland is replaced with niggers and sandniggers, it'll still be the same, old Poland, right?

Have you considered what is happening on South Africa?

South Africa is the graveyard of civic nationalism.

>same and old
Elaborate

>>same and old
Old = Traditional

>Elaborate
If you replace all the White people in Poland with niggers and sandniggers, Poland will cease to be Poland.

Poland is Poland because of White people. Not because of sandniggers and niggers immigrating there and claiming to "assimilate." Niggers and sandniggers can never, ever be Polish.

Civic Nationalism is anti-White because it ignores the fact that Western Civilization is the way it is because of White people.

If it wasn't for White people, there would be no Western Civilization and no Poland.

Now...apologize for killing tens of thousands of Ethnic Germans and forcing Hitler to invade to save their lives.

It's not true nationalism if you have to modify it with a word ie civic.

>civic nationalist
You may think you are some tactical genius but you are just an idiot who is even more dangerous than the commies are to nationalism. You think that low IQ shitskins will really get along with us when whites are treated better for having better jobs and higher IQ? They will go complete dindu and since you skirted around the issue of race when it mattered we will just land right back where we started for having not learned what got us here in the first place.

Civic nationalism is dependent upon cultural inheritance and integration.

The Gauls and Britons eventually became Romanized over the course of centuries, by conquest and cultural assimilation, but the Goths of the 4th Century were too many to be integrated, too culturally independent to be "Romanized." Instead of becoming Roman, they sacked Rome and founded Gothic kingdoms with the dying husk of the empire.

Some cultures won't blend. These cultures correlate to race, religious & ethnic origin.

Poland exists because it was a christian kingdom recognised by the pope and the holy roman emperor. Thats old poland, but its not the same.
Then you have post ww1 poland which kind of became poland today after some nazism and communism.
Will it still be poland if it became arab? Well i suppose it would be the emirate of poland or something

The gothic kingdoms were romanised.
The kingdoms of the visigoths and ostrogoths were both latin (roughly) speaking, christian, romanised kingdoms

>Poland exists because it was a christian kingdom recognised by the pope and the holy roman emperor.
Who were all White.

> Thats old poland, but its not the same.
Because the anti-Whites and non-Whites are trying to turn Poland into a non-White/anti-White country.

>Then you have post ww1 poland which kind of became poland today after some nazism and communism.
"Nazism" is White. Communism is Jewish (ie not White).

>Will it still be poland if it became arab?
No it won't.

>Well i suppose it would be the emirate of poland or something
Exactly. It would be transformed into a non-White country. If it was ruled by Islam (a non-White religion) it would be anti-White as Islam is inherently anti-White.

Hence why Civic Nationalism is anti-White bullshit. It claims that anyone (regardless of race and religion) could become "Polish" as long as they "assimilated" (an impossibility btw)

The only nationalism that matters is White Nationalism.

>Why do you believe it's just a coincidence that western civilization was created by White people?

I don't believe it was a coincidence. I'm not naive to racial differences.

>Since you believe a darkie could be Irish, do you believe a darkie could be Japanese?

I don't. I just believe in equal treatment under the law and having common shared values.

It's awful what's happening to whites in SA. I'd welcome white south africans here.

whats your solution then? we all want to have the same thing. how do we get there?

The Nazis didnt consider Poles to be white you moron.

By that logic christianity isnt "white" either, yet it is the very reason for polands existencr as a historical entity

Does your wife tell you when she fucks other men or does she have you walk in on it?

>I don't believe it was a coincidence. I'm not naive to racial differences.
Do you have a problem with Whites being replaced in White countries if it's done legally?

>I don't. I just believe in equal treatment under the law
So as long as its legal you're fine with the White race ceasing to exist in Ireland?

>and having common shared values.
But there are no common shared values.


>The Nazis didnt consider Poles to be white you moron.
And the holocaust happened too, right? ;)


>By that logic christianity isnt "white" either,
According to whom? Anti-Whites? Anti-Christians? Non-Christians?

>yet it is the very reason for polands existencr as a historical entity
So your solution is to make Poland even less White than it already is all the White all those non-White countries continue to be non-White?

go back to t_d cuck. You don't have to like someone to not go to war with them. Putin is just a slightly right wing hillary clinton.

I'm in favour of embracing christian western values regardless of race. Is that possible

Is that your fetish? My wife is a traditional catholic girl who would never do such a thing.

Jesus wasnt white. Are u daft

>Jesus wasnt white
Says who?
Oh that's right...anti-Whites, anti-Christians non-Whites and non-Christians alike.

>Do you have a problem with Whites being replaced in White countries if it's done legally?

Yes, white genocide is real. I'm not naive to the lefts agenda against white people.

>So as long as its legal you're fine with the White race ceasing to exist in Ireland?

When i say equal treatment under the law I mean blacks and other ethnicities face no discrimination and can aspire to be anything they want.

I dont see a problem with it.
My great grandmother converted in china 100 years ago

Have you watched the Patriot?

Literally
WE WUZ

no is it any good? mel gibson movies are usually great

>i'm jealous of your ethnostate
>civic natty
You havin' a giggle mate?

You know come to think of it I might point out that there is a manner of civic-nationalism to the way this country functions.
As you may know over 20% of the citizens of Israel (not Palestinians) are Arabs. It's not unlikely that if we were less scrupulous about their rights we would have not been able to pull it off.
In other words, our ability to negotiate (albeit aggressively at first) an acceptable status quo, with our status as a non Arab ethno state as the first condition, between us and our local muslim pop (and block additional immigration) - and with that aside give them equal rights... not sure where I'm getting at but I think it has to do with winking for a eurexit as in Europeans should exit their current state of self hatred - and thus be able to deal with your own muslim situation without things getting too messy. And soon to it would be a crying shame to lose Europe - it's a fabulous place.

Except for Germany mind you. Sorry can't help it but you won't get a flinch from me if the entire German society powders into formless multicultural sand. Earned hatred - got it straight from ma grandaddy.

Arabs on the other hand, this might sound crazy but once everyone knows where they stand, Arabs have their charms, you learn to lovem sometimes. As long as everyone gets the pax-romana situation well understood.

Ethnostate is desired position but not politically possible in the current year

>Yes, white genocide is real.
Then why do you support it in supporting civic nationalism?

>I'm not naive to the lefts agenda against white people.
Yet you are supporting their agenda in your support of diversity, multiculturalism and multiracialism.

>When i say equal treatment under the law I mean blacks and other ethnicities face no discrimination
Why shouldn't they face discrimination? They're contributing to White genocide.

You know what I know what your last words will be as a nigger is raping you to death. They will be "At least I'm not a racist."

>and can aspire to be anything they want.
Why can't they do that in their own countries? Why must they be allowed to flood into White countries?

Not in America, but in Europe it still is.

>Ethnostate is desired position
So obviously the solution is to support the policies that will bring about the end of the White race.

>but not politically possible in the current year
You don't fucking get it. The Enemy will never allow the White race to free itself from (((them))) via voting.

White revolution is the only solution.

I reckon main thing is easy on the welfare

>You think that low IQ shitskins will really get along with us when whites are treated better for having better jobs and higher IQ?
Do they have to? Breed/marginalize them out while they make up 5% of the population instead of holding your breath like a toddler waiting for Hitler to rise from the grave and a perfect political storm of events to get him back into power when your country is 80% nigger because you turned your back on any chance you had that wasn't exactly what you wanted.

You faggots are the dangerous ones, because your delusion means you will sit around with your dick in your hand waiting for a messiah that will never come while your people and country dissolve around you.

>Right wing

You know that he keeps CPSU card?

I want to limit immigration. I'm not for open borders. Ireland is 97% white and we'll remain the majority. Is there a way to encourage irish girls to have more babies on a political level? I'm thinking large scale propaganda.

>Why can't they do that in their own countries? Why must they be allowed to flood into White countries?

The only form of immigration i'm in favour of is high skilled immigration where immigrants must have a third level education at least.

>alienate minorities

They are already alienated by BEING minorities you utter moron. If they will not assimilate, then they will be minorities. Since they do not assimilate (or even better, go back to where they belong), then they will not be nationalist in the first place.

Alright, white nationalism is appealing but how do we do it non-violently. As if other ethnicities are just gonna leave the country? That's why I stopped believing WN is possible and started thinking of new nationalist ideas..

Assimilation is a big problem and is why I am not in favour in large scale immigration. There's black american patriots in america, sheriff clarke for example so thinking that everyone that is not white won't assimilate to your culture and values in naive.

>I want to limit immigration.
Yet you still have no problem with letting non-whites in and letting them breed like rabbits while they're here.

> Ireland is 97% white and we'll remain the majority.
Not when every other race has a massive birth rate and Whites do not. That coupled with massive non-White immigration (that will never legally be allowed to slow or stop) mean eventually Whites are headed for extinction in Ireland.

> Is there a way to encourage irish girls to have more babies on a political level?
No, because that's racist talk. You have to change the entire culture and racial makeup of the country in order to get Whites back to a pro-White mindset.

>I'm thinking large scale propaganda.
What makes you think the anti-Whites will allow you to have a say in public?

>The only form of immigration i'm in favour of is high skilled immigration where immigrants must have a third level education at least.
Why? So they can replace smart White people in jobs that should be theirs in the first place?

Non-Whites have no place in White countries and you can't prove me wrong.

>Alright, white nationalism is appealing but how do we do it non-violently
You're never going to be allowed to peacefully save the White race. The second you step out into the forefront you'll be called a racist Nazi and stripped of all authority and power.

>As if other ethnicities are just gonna leave the country?
You don't give them a choice. You either force them to leave or make it so dangerous for them that they willingly leave.

>That's why I stopped believing WN is possible and started thinking of new nationalist ideas..
It seems to me like you're a coward that doesn't want to do everything that is necessary to save the White race.

"b...but if we could just vote to ask the non-Whites to leave peacefully I'm sure they would! And the anti-Whites would have to accept us trying to put such a question on the ballot!"

>1 based black man is worth sacrificing our nationalist ideology and nation's future

For every black patriot there's 100 black welfare leeches and gang members. I say we let them have their own nation back in Africa and we cut off all social services entirely until they better themselves or move.
>ProTip: 99% of them will move.

Have you ever been to the US? How about a US city? Your opinion will change fast. Cities are "civic nationalist" while homogenous suburbs and rural communities tend to be "ethnic nationalist" in a sense.

You forgot to read the "slightly" part pridurak.

How are the potato commies these days?

>For every black patriot there's 100 black welfare leeches and gang members.

I want a country that isn't a welfare state and a Philippines style war on drugs. That could solve that problem

>Have you ever been to the US? How about a US city?

I work in dublin which is full of non-whites. I do understand it's not the most ideal situation but is there a political alternative other than civic nationalism that'll work without hurting other races?

>White revolution is the only solution.
And you don't get it either, this goal is unrealistic, it's simply not fucking possible.

Your message is shit, it's inherently unpalatable, and no average person (you know, the people who are going to be catalyzing this revolution) wants to fight their neighbor so a bunch of delusional shitheads who would sooner throw them to the dogs if they think the wrong way can feel morally superior.

People just want you all to shut the fuck up. They don't care about you OR the left and their brown pets, they want to live a good life, feel pride in their country and nothing more. This can be accomplished just fine without a "white revolution".

I'm not gonna lie, I agree with you on the points you've made for the most part. But you want a race war, as if your political fantasy would happen.. Even Trump, who is civic nationalist, has been stopped and is under tight control.

We already have civic nationalism f a m. It's the reason based black guys exist

Unless your idea of civic nationalism means forcing non whites to be patriots by force, because that's the only way you'll ever convince the majority of them too adopt patriotism

Yes, I get it. You're anti-White and you don't care about the existence or survival of the White race. You only care about your money.

As long as you can watch monday night football, have a TV dinner cooking in the oven and have a 6 pack of beer in the fridge, who cares about the the White race? amirite?

That whole white genocide thing will probably happen after you're dead anyways...gotta watch American Idol tonight.

Who cares? My ideal society would be a capitalist one. I'm actually leaning towards individualism now as well meaning everyone, regardless of class or race, can make something of themselves. No affirmative action programs, everyone treated as equal and encouragement of hiring the best person for the job.

>But you want a race war,
I don't want a race war. I admit that the race war is the only way Whites can save our race.

Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent revolution necessary.

If the anti-Whites leave us only war to save our race, so be it.

>as if your political fantasy would happen..
Yet you think the anti-White in the media and government will allow you to vote for the survival of the White race?

> Even Trump, who is civic nationalist, has been stopped and is under tight control.
Exactly.
Look at how they treat Trump just because he's not an avowed anti-White.
Imagine how they'd treat an actual pro-White running for office.

good post

>I want a country that isn't a welfare state and a Philippines style war on drugs. That could solve that problem.
What you want can only be realized through ethnic nationalism. The things you propose, Duterte-style drug war and no welfare state, will be called racist.
Instead of meekly agreeing with liberals and backing away from what would improve your nation, you should instead explain why liberals are wrong, and how "racist" solutions are the only real solutions. The easiest solution for everyone is to segregate, and send people back where they are from when it is beyond obvious they are incompatible. Send Arab refugees back to the middle east. Send Latinos back to South and central America. Send obnoxious Canadians back to Canada. Get rid of anti-white nonsense and slavery guilt by moving the "ex-slaves" back from where we bought them.

If I was black, and was afforded the same historical education I have obtained, I would want a black ethnostate where my people could develop and thrive on their own. I would want to find a smart black wife and so on.
Everyone deserves a place to live, and we need to recognize everyone's differences.

>I work in dublin which is full of non-whites
As bad as European nonwhites can be, they are usually just recent immigrants. American race relations have existed since the creation of my country and have only gotten worse. Instead of fixing the problem by simply having the problem GO AWAY, we made it worse by spreading the problem among everyone.

The true issue is that people inherently self-segregate themselves. Even in diverse US cities, you will find black hoods, China Towns, rich white streets, etc.

These minorities will always vote against your interests as a nationalist, and the outliers are irrelevant. Going "wow, such a based black man!" is meaningless, and in fact you subtly admit that most black people think differently than you by calling attention to the very few who might have similar ideas.

I honestly think civic fascism could work

>I don't want a race war. I admit that the race war is the only way Whites can save our race.
I've kinda come to that conclusion too. That's why the idea of WN doesn't seem to work and I'm thinking of new ways. Any other solutions?

>Yet you think the anti-White in the media and government will allow you to vote for the survival of the White race?

First idea is to remove the anti-white opposition but that could be viewed as authoritarian by some, we need to embrace whiteness but without hating others or being called racist..


>Exactly.
Look at how they treat Trump just because he's not an avowed anti-White.
Imagine how they'd treat an actual pro-White running for office.

True i agree.

>Any other solutions?
White revolution is the only solution.

>First idea is to remove the anti-white opposition
And what makes you think you'll legally be allowed to do that? All they have to do (if they haven't already) is make "hate speech" illegal. So when you say "I want the White race to exist" either online or in public, you're arrested and thrown into prison for 5 years.

>we need to embrace whiteness but without hating others or being called racist..
There is literally nothing wrong with racism.

>The things you propose, Duterte-style drug war and no welfare state, will be called racist.
Jesus christ.

>The easiest solution for everyone is to segregate, and send people back where they are from when it is beyond obvious they are incompatible.

I've come to believe that people naturally segregate within their own communities but how would you propose people to go home?

>American race relations have existed since the creation of my country and have only gotten worse.

I understand that, and it's getting worse. It's sad whats happening to Trump desu, he was your last hope.