Is capitalism basically feudalism?

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Hmmmmm....

Not yet, but it's getting there.
I honestly don't know what to think about it.
Communism failed, what else can we try?

Should be updated with "he traded it to me for a handful of beads".

Replace "he fought for it" with "he bought it" and add in a scene where he calls his private guards on those commie parasites.

I get the gist of what you're saying.
It's not black and white. Private property should exist.
But for example, why does some inbred muslim "prince" own half of the worlds oil.
How is it fair that he gets to sit on his ass and earn more money in 15 minutes than we do in our entire lives?

Technocracy or Technocratic Communism/Fascism, the main problem of communism was the inability to efficiently centrally plan. However, efficient AI/Machine Learning and access to gargantuan datasets could possibly plan even better than humans and ensure relative equality, end most poverty and hunger, etc.

>fair
And stealing people property is your vision of fair? To me, it sounds like you are desperately trying to justify intense envy.

We could always go back to literal feudalism.

Without periodic overthrowing of the elite, in whatever form they take, every society or form of government eventually becomes oppressive and unfair. That's part of why social justice is so big today, everyone knows something is wrong, but the elite control the press now, so they force the blame on someone else.

That might be true, but the same problems would arise again.
The status quo would have to be disturbed, and the machines collectivized.
On one hand the rich wouldn't just give up on their hegemony, on the other hand some of the revolutionary vanguard would try to establish a hegemony of their own.
It just seems too unrealistic for now.

Honestly yes. If some goat fucker has enough money to buy a country, some Polish slave girls and a gold lamborgini, something is seriously wrong there in my book.

Too discredited, and also anarcho-capitalism is feudalism. You just don't have a president, you have a CEO.

feudalism is just ancient ancap

Because you want to have his wealth, not because you think wealth is bad.

Both my friend.
And talking hypothetically here, sure i would like to have his money.
But i don't think anyone really needs that kind of money to begin with.
Humans need food, drink, friends, lovers, hobbies, work.
You don't need a million dollars to be happy.
And people having too much money is bad for other people.
Even ancient Greek philosophers like Plato and Aristotle emphasized the importance of relative wealth equality.

>Happiness, whether consisting in pleasure or virtue, or both, is more often found with those who are highly cultivated in their minds and in their character, and have only a moderate share of external goods, than among those who possess external goods to a useless extent but are deficient in higher qualities. - Aristotle

There was another one i was looking for, but i can't find it right now, so i will type it from memory. The gist of it was.

>No one should have so little money, that they have to sell themselves into slavery to survive. And no one should have so money, that they can buy people. -Aristotle

>And people having too much money is bad for other people.
Why, are you starving right now? Can you eat saudi oil? Your hubris seems to be that you think you have some sort of authority to decide how much is too much for other people, or perhaps you're still lying to yourself and are still justifying why you should be able to steal. Seriously, the cognitive dissonance must be damaging you. Justifying stealing to live lavishly by saying that those people don't need to live lavishly.
>No one should have so little money, that they have to sell themselves into slavery to survive. And no one should have so money, that they can buy people
Why not? Some people deserve to starve by virtue of the fact that they can't feed themselves, welcome to reality. The reason you fear this so much is because you view yourself as the person starving.

No. Feudalism involves personal relationships and doesn't use money much. Closer to the Russian concept of "blat'"

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people like you are going to die first in the new gulags after the revolution

Get a job, feed yourself. You'll find that when you have some confidence in yourself these feelings of jealousy will stop.

I'm not jealous, i just want everyone to live a well-off life.

>nazis will debate this

kys

>i just want everyone to live a well-off life
No, you want to live a well off life but view yourself as incapable of doing this on your own and instead want society to be able to take care of this for you.

I'd actualy like for the community to take care of each other.

also im pretty open to communism where we just kill off all the niggers since they wouldn't contribute anything and bring the system down.

No. It's private ownership of the means of production. You'll learn about this when you reach highschool.

>I'd actually like for the community to take care of each other.
You'd like the community to take care of you.

Poland wins again.

>Your hubris seems to be that you think you have some sort of authority to decide how much is too much for other people
And you seem to think law is some unbreakable binding oath.
It doesn't matter what i think. If poor people are too poor and too many, they cannibalize the entire society. They steal and murder.
You can be autistic about it and say: ,,Oh that mine, you are breaking the NAP."
Or you can have a prosperous and harmonious society where every bodies needs are met.
>Why not? Some people deserve to starve
Yea, the parasites that don't work or contribute to society deserve to starve.

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fucking retarded nigger jew. look at a FUCKING CHART FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE YOU SUB HUMAN NIGGER AND READ. CAPITALISM WAS 1792 to 1913. holy FUCKING CHRIST YOU GOD DAMN NIGGER.

>HURR DURR WHAT IS MONETARY POLICY HURR FUCKING DURRRRRRRRRRR I WANT MY WHOLE LIFE TO BE DRAMA CUZ MOMMA DADDA NEVER GAVE ME ENOUGH ATTENTION SO I NEED TO TAL ABOUT BULL SHIT TO GET IT AND NEVER GET TO THE ACTUAL ANSWER BECAUSE OF DEEP SEATED EMOTIONAL ISSUES SO HURR DURRRRRRRRR CAPITALIZM IS EVIL N SHIEEEEEEEEEET.

kys. you're human fucking garbage. open a book. central banks are not capitalism. income taxes are not capitalism.

jesus fucking christ this board is full of alphabet agency shills and retarded fucking spergs. fucking swine.

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Why are you sperging out dude?

Every type of government has hierarchy and feudalism. Even you precious little gobbunists.

Go cry about it.

>Or you can have a prosperous and harmonious society where every bodies needs are met.
Once again, you mean you want a society where your needs are met, rather than meeting your needs yourself.

>Is capitalism basically feudalism?
No, feudalism is actually humane.

Implying feudalism doesn't create a more equal distribution of wealth becasue the peasants themselves are wealth

That would be the tremendous failure known as marxism.

Imagine for a second, that i care for people other than myself.
And not only people but the society i live in as a whole.

Reminder that 1% of the world has yearly income of 38 000 dollars.

Bottom 50% is poor as fuck. So fucking poor its not even funny. Theyre multiplying like crazy too, just look at fucking africa and projections about population there. Of course the gap is becoming wider

Also 62 richest people have their wealth tied into their corporations, its not money in the bank.

I bet you are a virgin

>not an argument

kys jidf. you literally have ZERO arguments for central banking. give me ONE. unless we are in a time of extremely harsh war, i mean what else could their possibly be. can you give me any? any at all? waiting.

Then go ahead and care for them, nothing is stopping you. Your proposed solution though for some reason involves killing people and forcing the ones you don't kill to "care for other people" under pain of death. It makes me think you have different motivations.

Why do you think people have to be communists to criticize capitalism?

No, because the feudal lord had a sacred obligation to care about his subjects and provide for them, and they could just up and murder him in his sleep if they didn't like him.

Also, culture, free time/recreation, spiritual enlightenment and such were independent of him.

It also seems we're doing a pretty good job legitimately improving people's lives with privatization. Pic related, mid 70s Mao died and China began to privatize under Deng. Same shit in the USSR in the sixties.

I understand your position, but i think you misunderstood mine, because of the picture i posted.
I'm not for jailing and killing rich people. Maybe bigger taxes, that grow exponentially larger so that they prohibit 1000 super rich people from owning the fucking world, without working a day in their life, or being elected to a position of power.
How is that unreasonable?

socialism is feudalism, idiot.

still waiting. can you give ANY reason for a central bank? hello? or are you just going to throw projectory ad homs all day because mama and papa neva gave u enuf attention? wahh wahh.

still waiting. one reason. go ahead. one. waiting brah.

No that's communism
in capitalism you still are able to gain wealth

Because your taxes go into the welfare state, which every time it exists destroys the country that creates it. Read The Fate of Empires.

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So, what?

The poorest half the world is a bunch of starving niggers.

The average american has as much wealth as the poorest 10% of the world.

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You want to help the poor, then do it. Don't touch my money, though. You aren't Robin Hood, sorry.

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>Collective ownership of everything is the same as private ownership of everything
Made me think

Do you have any book recommendations about central banking?

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So... are you? I don't give a damn about the central banks I'm more interested in the mental leaps people will perform to project their inability to get laid and their unwillingness to admit that they are undesirable onto the rest of the world.

research these men, most of their publications on the fed are free.

charles lindberg sr
louis thomas mcfadden
wright patman
ron paul

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Capitalism is the universalization of monarchical principles. It is saying that we are all Kings and none can question this claim without engaging in some sort of forcible action towards a victim

That's debatable. The most prosperous societies in history are western, modern day, welfare states.

Go to a ghetto with money sticking out of your pocket, and when someone tries to take your money, you should show them that flow chart. I'm sure it will persuade them.

Half the world is niggers and shitskins

How about I shoot them instead. Also, the historic welfare states were very prosperous as well, the point is that it doesn't last. You really going to tell me that the western world seems stable right now? You really can't make the connections? The US is a welfare state too, in case you didn't know.

the OP was about feudalism and i went full retard mode trying to explain how centrally planned economies are feudalism in his indirect but unintentional mistaken manner that we currently live in a capitalist society, and that, feudalism would be better. i'm not interested in what you or i stick our wieners in, but in the moral health of my countrymen, so maybe yours and my children can actually wake up to a country worth living in.

alright back to the vane discussion of sex, back to /lgbt/ you go bucko.

>how about I shoot them
You do realize that people will just shoot you before you will even notice it if the situation is that bad?

Don't project your stupidity on me, please.

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Yes.

Feudalism is a state-owned society. So no, communism is more like feudalism.

Keynesian's should be dropped out of helicopters.
Refute this.

Pro tip: You can't.

TRUMP BTFO!

I don't get what people want who call the current system "slavery"

do you want to just hang around getting paid millions for basically nothing like a small, small slice of the population?

sure I'd like that too

the best, most sustainable system is one where people have to put in some effort for a reward

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Or instead of living in a wild west nightmare, get involved in politics and help create a:
-racially and ethnically homogeneous
-with a good education system
-welfare for orphans, pregnant women etc.
-strong workers rights
-low corruption
-with good publicly funded infrastructure

And voila you don't have to get involved in gun battles with the poor.
I realize what i suggest is kinda rare and unrealistic, but it is a better ideal than capitalism, whatever that is now days.

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wtf whys this comic forget to mention all the countries where labor won so much that they literally collapsed into oblivion and death by starvation

People who support capitalism are cucks (unless they are rich)

Pretty sure Trumps Chinese manufacturies contributed to lowering global poverty, so no.

The problem is corporatism and free trade, not capitalism. We need to start busting the big firms like we did in the early part of the last century. Competition is what makes capitalism great, and that's what we're currently lacking

imagine being able to loan infinite money and get paid interest on it
you make infinite money unless theres a run
and when there is a run (2008) you actually just print more to pretend there wasnt one LOL
you start with nothing and end with everything by just taking the small yield every year
its a pretty cool trick
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>racially and ethnically homogeneous
yes
>with a good education system
So a private one.
>welfare for orphans, pregnant women etc
Why can't their husbands support them? We already went over why the welfare state is a bad idea.
>strong workers rights
So stop them from being forced into unions, gotcha.
>low corruption
Make a government without power to be corrupt (hint, this means low government spending and low taxes)
>with good publicly funded infrastructure
Japanese monorails are private, and are much better than anything we have in Europe, so that'd be privatized too.

>But i don't think anyone really needs that kind of money to begin with

But that is subjective and it implies you know more about where resources should be.

How do you now that exactly?

>Humans need food, drink, friends, lovers, hobbies, work.

Human want wtv will make them happy but resources are limited regardless if desires are infinit.

>You don't need a million dollars to be happy.

Not true at all. You are happy when a hospital has a million to provide you with the machinery to save your life.

Furthermore, a million depending on the value of the unit can be worth shit.

>And people having too much money is bad for other people.

No it is not, but it is a symptom of something going awfully wrong.

In a Capitalist economy, your money is never idle. it is lended, traded or bonded. Meaning that the more people have money the cheaper large investment get. And the poor need this.

>Even ancient Greek philosophers like Plato and Aristotle emphasized the importance of relative wealth equality.

Plato though that humans were chickens with plumage...
Aristotle though men should not look at there children too much because it encourages degeneracy.

And Aristotle literally wrote that wealth accumulation is a necessity in the pursuit of happiness as it generates self-sufficiency.

Your argument is like the "Real Adam Smith" argument from Noam Chomski. aka cherry picking

>There was another one i was looking for, but i can't find it right now, so i will type it from memory. The gist of it was.

yes temperance is a virtue. but here Aristotle makes an observation. He is not prescribing and saying therefor wealth is bad and having less wealth is good. It goes with the model he proposes too(defficiency, mean, blahblah)

Furthermore, Aristotles critique is an observation on the deficiency of man(human) and not a claim that wealth accumulation is intrinsically bad

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Would be interested in how they defined "poverty" in the 1800s. Most people lived off the land on family farms back then. So they had little income but it's not like they were miserable either. Personally I'd rather be a yeoman farmer than a wage slave.

No. It is the system which defeated and replaced feudalism.

You see a lot of things under capitalism that look like feudalism. This is because both societies are ordered into social classes.

Why are only Americans this retarded?

>"States" were basically private property owned by royalty
Why is that so hard to understand?

youtube.com/watch?v=ZSqBNGxLiAs

Well, no shills are biting. It was fun. Cya lads.

We tried socialism.

We can try left-libertarianism -- they're doing that in Rojava right now, in Syria.

Anarchism has also legitimately worked for short periods of time until it was destroyed by predatory authoritarian states.

>State
>Hereditary power weilded by private individuals and not institutions
Pick one

this is a nice picture thanks