Can someone walk me through the science that says a "fetus" is not a living organism? Thanks

Can someone walk me through the science that says a "fetus" is not a living organism? Thanks.

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it's just the same living organism as the mother
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The debate isn't whether it is living. Sperm is living too. The debate is whether or not it is human when it hasn't developed organs.

It's categorically not. You're denying facts like some sort of marxist.

I am a Marxist, amusingly.

>has human DNA
>somehow it's not human
And sperm aren't living organisms

>The debate is whether or not it is human
Which is retarded. It's clearly a human.

The debate should be about whether its rights trump those of the mother. Which they don't.

Throw yourself out of the nearest helicopter.

doesn't matter if it's a living organism or not. if it's going to kill the mother or come out a potato then the son of a bitch should be gutted.

It is living: it gestates nutrients and replicates cells. Even plants are considered living organisms.

It is human, even if it is a fetus. A horse fetus is distinct from a human fetus. Being a fetus does not preclude humanity. A human fetus is human.

Debate surrounds whether abortion is murder. Abortion is always killing, as an act which ends life, but murder is a legal term for an unlawful killing. If abortion violates a law to which one is bound, then it is murder. If abortion is legal, then it is not murder.

For most, this leaves abortion within the realm of the state. Some consider themselves bound to the laws of God in addition to or superseding the laws of man, and these people may consider abortion murder independent of earthly legislature.

The same logic that allowed
>pornography -> sexual revolution -> interracial -> contraceptives -> abortion
Will then allow the killing of babies, the senile, the retarded, and eventually the kulaks and those who aren't with the communist party

>hating abortion and contraception
Worked so well in Romania.

Also, keeps the nigger population down. Not by much, but better than nothing.

>letting the moral fiber of your people waver so that you can kill just as many of your enemies as your own people
>a FUCKING leaf

its quite simple op

women cant into responsibilities
women would rather kill something to get out of work
or have the baby and get the man to pay for it via child support

real life women are leeches 2d is superior when artificial wombs hit they are going the way of the dinosaur

Leftists think that a cell is equivalent to a biological system

A sperm cell is just that a cell

A fetus is an living system which is comprised of numerous biological systems which are comprised of numerous organs which are comprised of numerous tissues which are comprised of billions of cells

This is like 8th grade biology, yet they outright deny it.

A living system that is incapable of sustaining itself without, and forgive me if you don't like wording here, leeching resources out of the mother.

Why should some underdeveloped fetus have it's rights trump the rights of the mother, a fully developed, self-sufficient being?

I finished Anatomy and Physiology class recently.

It's technically not called a fetus; that's a slang term. The actual name is "child in the fetal stage of development." And since the child's cells are replicating, then the child is biologically considered alive.

Any excuse by pro-infanticide abortion folks are just the excuses of serial killers. Can be discarded.

by that sort of logic a leech isn't an living organism

Or for that matter, no parasite is technically "alive" since it leeches nutrients from a host

Pro-choice, globalism, open borders, refugees, mass immigration, feminism, climate change being "imminent disaster" that "requires more government control" and "population control" and "world wide equity - RE: global welfare and child support for fucking niggers" it is all part of (((their))) plan for causing world wide social unrest. Small minded people would say it is code for white genocide, but the truth is white genocide is simply a side effect of their plan to mix that which should not be mixed in order to make everyone lose their love of land and their roots. (((They))) are uprooting everyone in order to make us easy to manipulate.

Can a fetus walk? No, therefor it is not a life form.

sperms are prokaryotes like bacteria; it is a living thing.

>whether its rights trump those of the mother. Which they don't.

ya they do

i care about the baby more than the mother

mothers who get abortions should get the death penalty

So, if we broke your legs first, then it's not considered murder?

Breaking someone's legs is only murder if they die.

>When Plato gave Socrates's definition of man as "featherless bipeds" and was much praised for the definition, Diogenes plucked a chicken and brought it into Plato's Academy, saying, "Behold! I've brought you a man." After this incident, "with broad flat nails" was added to Plato's definition.[26]

A never said a fetus wasn't alive, i said it's a parasite(well, i never directly said they were, but that was the implication)

A fetus is a parasite to the mother, a mother shouldn't be forced to carry a parasite in her if she doesn't want to.

Because any woman willing to kill a fetus when it isn't threatening to her life should no longer have human rights and no longer have choice in the matter. Once the baby is born, send the woman to the salt mines.

Human can live outside of the body. A fetus dies outside of the body because it isn't a person.

It's the old plastic bag defense. Some guy locally here suffocated his victim before shooting him. The defense was since the victim wasn't breathing on his own, then it's an after-birth abortion and not a murder. Lost the court case anyway.

a human baby is a parasite

kill yourself you anti human scum

you sound like youre not even of this species you sound like some kind of reptile

this thing in my womb is a foreign parasite must kill!

if u call a human baby a parasite then what does that make you

that makes you the scum of the earth

You're seriously retarded. Do you not understand what he was saying?

LOL

And I shouldn't have to work. Welfare cases, disabled people, and the elderly are parasites who feed off of me. I should be able to dispose of them if I don't want to expend effort to feed them and pay for their iphones.

Did you just define yourself as your mother's parasite?! Hahahah!

disabled people should be able to dispose of you too

with their rifles to ur head

thats evolution man thats survival of the fittest

sorry bro

Why do the same people that complain for me not caring about for poor and lazy unemployed hobos and minorities, say that a fetus is not human and desearves to die if the mother doent want him? Does that mean i can also kill people on welfare?

lads you should know better not to feed a troll

Yeah, you're right. But the jokes were just too easy!

What's it matter white women aren't having kids anymore.
Who cares about Jamal's kids.

haha i never said that killing all fetii is what we should do, i said that an alive woman should have more rights than an underdeveloped fetus incapable of sustaining itself without being parasitic.

If you want to argue that a fetus isn't a parasite, here is the definition of a parasite:
>an organism which lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense.

That's what a fetus does. It's not an attempt to dehumanise a fetus,it's correct classification. A fetus is a parasite, deal with it.

Its alive.
but if this is about abortion.....
The choice is before you get pregnant. There are way too many viable contraceptives for this to be a fucking issue. tl;dr irresponsible people

wouldn't you first have to make a legal distinction between parasites and non parasites as "having rights"or "not having right" before making that assertion

You can't just assume that (supposedly) universal human rights are limited to living humans.

That's assuming we count fetuses as alive, a point, which you just conceded.

But there is no such "parasitic" legislation

At least none that I am aware of

And if there is parasitic legislation can we extend it? Can we extend it to people on life support? What about the elderly in nursing homes? What about children in general? They die unless they are given food. In biology there are parasites that live "outside" the animals they sustain themselves on known as ectoparasites. Ever get bitten by mosquitoes? What about people on welfare?

What about anyone who annoys me? They are parasitizing on my enjoyment of life.

Taken to it's logical conclusion I would say that abortion rights activist are, ultimately, ancaps who think they should be able to kill whoever they want.

The president at the time banned both. People didn't have access to birth control because the communist leader wanted the country's population to grow. However, women didn't want to have unwanted children, and since there was no birth control, they had backstreet or self-induced abortions. Luckily today- at least in America and most of Europe- birth control is easily accessed. Condoms are found in many places. And...if a woman thinks she is pregnant and doesn't want to be, she can take the Plan B pill. There is no excuse for abortion nowadays, unless the mother's life is in danger or the child is severely deformed.

reminder, don't reply to slide threads

oh wow that women really needs those nutrients its taking from her

>i said that an alive woman should have more rights than an underdeveloped fetus incapable

actually i do believe the baby deserves more rights as it cant defend itself

mothers who get abortions should get the death penalty

abortionists dont deserve rights

I would be inclined to agree, yes. While i was a fetus i was parasitic of my mother. Luckily for me, she chose to let me leech off her until i was able to sustain myself in other methods, namely eating and drinking food, breathing air, etc.

She wouldn´t carry him if she had her legs closed or used a condom. No excuses..

You still haven't explained why universal human rights don't cover parasitic humans

Life support isn't the same as being parasitic, there is no other organism which is losing resources as a result of you being on life support, at least not directly.

This had to be troll

>one replicates by meiosis
>one replicates by mitosis

Kill yourself

it's a cell
and it's part of a human being
it is NOT a prokaryote because it isn't a single celled organism it's a part of the human organism
an organism cannot be a cell of another organism
sperm is not a species of organism it's a human cell
i hope for your sake you're still in jr high and never took a formal biology class
fetuses however are made of multiple cells and are in fact living human beings in an early stage of development

please change your flag before talking about science ever again

You do realize that each fetus is a unique human being. If your mother aborted you, you would never exist again. We need to accelerate space programs, and a huge population would be a great motivating factor.

I have a prof who openly promotes population control and choosing to have fewer children.

We should ban abortion and find methods to get the birth rate to 3.0 which would remove any arguments in favour of (((mass immigration)))

I totally agree

of course there are

People on life support are taking up resources that could have been used for something else

Just like a fetus (or a mosquito) is taking nutrients that "could" be used for something (or in this case someone) else.

One is an ectoparasite (mosquito, bot fly, black people) and the other is an endoparasite (tapeworms, fetuses)

If it's nigger, spic or oriental then it's not a human therefore should be killed.

a 3 month old child is incapable of sustaining itself without leeching resources from adults who are caring for it

Mostly because universal human rights don't exist.

other than that, i suppose it would be because their body and brains aren't fully developed yet?

And don't be that guy who responds every time with: "so you should be able to abort downies, too? their brains don't function properly" thats different. Their brain is fully formed, it just formed a different way than most.

No, an infant is able of eating(may vary with age), drinking and breathing all on it's own. It needs an adult to provide it with those things.

Can you walk me through the science that says random bugs on the sole of your shoe are not living organisms? They are, but it doesn't matter if you accidentally step on them because they aren't worth shit. Similarly, humans are shaped by their experiences growing up, a fetus is just a lump of meat that has about as much value morally speaking as the jizz you flush down the toilet everytime you jerk off.

accidentally replied to wrong post, see;

>universal human rights don't exist

No but we are pretending they do for the sake of argument

Also it's a woman's "universal human rights" that are supposedly being violated when she isn't allowed to kill the child inside her.


>brains aren't fully developed yet

There are lots of people walking around with undeveloped brains, as the internet constantly proves.

But you still don't get to kill them.
you just contradicted yourself

if it could eat on its own it wouldn't need parents

You do know what brood parasitism is right? It's the exact scenario where animals (most famously the cuckoo) make other animals raise their young

It's another form of parasitism. a baby is by your own definitions a parasite, and therefore if you were consistent you would support post birth abortion.

If you place a newborn child on the floor it will get hungry and it will get thirsty. It will eventually die if food and drink are not provided to it. That is not being capable of "eating and drinking all on its own."

>comparing members of your species to another species
>comparing a single cell to a living system

lol

No wonder Europe is doomed

>Picture implying that shitskins are from the same species as the Nordic master race

You see, the difference between a fetus leeching it's mothers resources, and an infant leeching it's mother's resources is that the mother willingly provides the infant with food, breast milk, and anything else the infant is unable to obtain on it's own, while she has no choice but to give the fetus inside her resources.

Again, it all comes down to the mothers choice: she can feed her infant if she wants to, otherwise she can put it up for adoption. She can allow the fetus to leech off her until it's born, or she can abort it. if there were some other method that would allow a fetus to be removed from a woman and continue development in a willing woman, or an artificial womb, with no increase in risk to either the mother or the infant, i almost guarantee abortion would be obsolete.

it is gender is a spectrum tier. It's literally science denial These people are the same faggots that say that niggers, fags, shitskins, mudslimes, and trannies are all "people"

Science says that bacteria discovered on Mars, counts as life. Take that as you will.

My surgical abortion is today. Could use some positivity. (self.abortion)

submitted 2 days ago by auriandtheunderthing

I found out I was, at a generous estimate, 9 weeks pregnant on Mother's Day. As a 21 year old I don't believe I'll make a fit mother, hell, I barely remember to walk the dog and to feed myself. The decision to abort was one that I had made many years prior, in case I'd find myself in my current shoes.

The problem is I know myself. I know I will use this choice to torture myself. I've spent the last few days having panic attacks, and staring at the wall wondering what our babies eyes would look like. My fiancé is native, his features are such, and I was born with hair as white as the afterimage of the sun on your eyelids. I know that I won't handle the pain of the procedure. I know that I won't handle the aftercare well. I know that there will be days I will be so debilitated that I won't be able to get up.

I'm just sad.

>YAAAASSSS SHE ABORTED A HALF BREED SHITSKIN.
>proof that abortion isn't always a bad thing

put a breast in front of a child it will start suckling milk, the same cannot be said for a fetus and it's equivalent

But isn't getting pregnant a de facto agreement to provide resources to the fetus?

i suppose you're right, willingly getting pregant is, accidental pregancies due to contraceptive failure isn't i would say.

You can breed with members of the same species, by definition. Although to be honest there are plenty of exceptions to the rule.

No one in biology can really give an adequate definition of species.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_problem

Still racemixing is proof that non whites are humans.

However they could very well be a different subspecies, and subspecies and race might as well be synonyms.

>infant leeching it's mother's resources
which makes it parasitic

>she can feed her infant if she wants to, otherwise she can put it up for adoption

or she can kill it since it's a parasite

As long as you admit that killing human infants, either pre birth OR post birth, is perfectly moral in your system, I'll let you win the argument.

a fetus isn't an infant, and an infant isn't parasitic.Killing infants is wrong, aborting a fetus(underdeveloped, uncapable of performing basic tasks necessary for life) is fine.

True, but now I have to ask what did you mean by saying an infant is capable of eating and drinking "all on its own?"

Well, assuming the infant is at an age where it can consume actual foods, not just breast milk, it will be able to get the food into it's face hole.

On a kind of related note, my post got aborted when i tried to submit it the first time.

>a fetus isn't an infant,

It's not genetically different. In many cases a fetus can in fact survive outside the womb (premature babies) assuming it's given enough medical attention.

>Killing infants is wrong,

Not if you believe killing parasites is right

>aborting a fetus(underdeveloped, uncapable of performing basic tasks necessary for life)

Human children can't perform any tasks at all to keep themselves alive.

They're an ectoparasite and therefore, according to you, should be killed if their hosts don't want to "feed" them.

You just seem to have an aversion to killing ectoparasite, but are fine

Basically you think it's not ok to kill a mosquito, but it's ok to kill a tapeworm. Very bizarre, and random set of morality based on absolutely nothing aside from your own personal opinions

But then the same could be said for all morality.

>actual foods not just breast milk

So you DO believe in killing newborns correct? If they can only drink breastmilk then they *must* be parasites by your own definition.

It's not a separate organism until it has independent function by definition; but the fetus however, is still considered living piece of biological material. As for the real question... Is it human? Yes, genetically, but it lacks consciousness and sentient nature that would otherwise allow it to fall categorically under 'human' when comparing it to such standards of 'conscious existence'.

>assuming the infant is at an age where it can consume actual foods, not just breast milk,
Infants can only start consuming solid foods at 4 to 6 months usually. You've already said you don't advocate the killing of infants, but surely you see what your last statement implies.

uuh no. I just used a different example than breast milk to elaborate, considering i had already given that example. please don't strawman me.

And i disagree that children can't perform tasks to keep themselves alive. A child is fully able to breathe, eat food, drink water, and expel waste from it's body. The same cannot be said for a fetus.

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So how do we determine when a fetus achieves "conscious exisence?"

>lacks consciousness and sentient nature

There are lots of adult humans that lack that

But not on it's own, a point you keep ignoring because you won't accept that ectoparasites (mosquitoes) exist.

when it scores a 1500 on the SAT

Then why is a drunk driver that hits a pregnant woman charged with two counts of Manslaughter?

Unironically kill yourself

Because women get to decide, at will, if a fetus is a human being or not.

Such is the flawless nature of our legal system.

The genetic evidence that a fetus is a separate organism from the mother is not "proof", however the mother's "feelings" on whether or not she feels like killing something are "proof"

How do you get the SAT exam in the womb?

It is, but it's also a parasite.

i fully accept that ectoparasites exist, i just disagree with the classification of a young child as one. Children can perform tasks necessary to live, they need assistance acquiring the resources necessary to do so. Parents willingly give their children good, a pregnant woman does not have a say in whether the fetus takes her resources.

Again, as i said earlier, if there were some way to remove an unwanted fetus such that it was able to continue growing outside of the mother, without significant increase risk to the mother, abortion would become obsolete.

Within 4 weeks of conception, the baby's heart is already pumping blood.

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>not realizing niggers have abortions at 3x the rate White women do

When it displays intuition, intellect, and complex behaviors that fulfill it's basic need to survive.

Abortion could become obsolete if we focused more on preventing unwanted pregnancies rather than them happening in the 1st place. Free clinics should have the morning after pill available. It will eliminate the zygote before it becomes a baby. Not only that but making abortion illegal will make it even more of a nigger/sub-human thing to do as it will become a business of organized crime and then be seen as degenerate by more people.

Abortion should be banned at 12 weeks, and it should not be funded publically AT ALL. Shortly after 12 weeks babies can survive outside the womb. I know twins who were born at 20 weeks, liberals would be okay with killing them yet there they were outside of their mother's womb weighing barely a pound.

Abortion is awesome because it's about killing babies

i agree, prevention is the best solution, but sometimes people will still get pregnant accidentally.

>Children can perform tasks necessary to live
>they ****need assistance acquiring the resources necessary to do so***

That's exactly what an ectoparasite does. It needs assistance acquiring resources necessary to survive.

A mosquito can't get blood on it's own. It needs to acquire blood from an animal with a blood stream.

And infant can't supply it's own milk, it needs lactating breasts.

Therefore infants are

>Parents willingly give their childr

Or they can choose to kill the disgusting parasite (human infant) leeching all their resources just as they have the right to kill the other diggings parasite (human infant in fetal stages)

those babies are always subject to vast developmental issues.

all men in this thread please leave, you have no say on this nonissue.

1. woman's body
2. woman's choice

Yes of course, but they all live off of feeding tubes while they lie comatose, constantly oozing shit and pissing into their bedpans.

so everybody has to leave?

While although only one can make the choice... if it takes two to make a kid, then it takes two to tackle the problem. This is a philosphical issue that extends beyond the rights of a woman, we're talking about what it means to exist; and that concerns EVERYONE. if you cant grasp that then perhaps you shouldn't even try, you might give yourself a hernia and I don't want you to hurt yourself.