Big Bang Theorists Are Fucking Retarded

> Big Bang theorists would rather believe that initially there was a subatomic particle, which had no original creation, and which suddenly exploded into everything in the known and unknown universe.

> They believe that science proves their claims, despite there being no real evidence other than theoretical physics for these claims.

> They believe that the original subatomic particle just existed before everything.

> They believe that theists, especially Christians, are retards because they accept intelligent design based on faith and evidence we have, rather than theoretical science which is all based on math and equations rather than observable data.

Conclusion: Big bang theorists are fucking retarded and are bringing society down to sub autism levels.

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> no original creation

its impossible to know how they were created I think any scientist will agree.

According to the laws of thermodynamics and matter which scientists even embrace, you can't have matter transform without having a previous form. Any matter in the universe would have to have some origin, but it's too complex/stupid according to big bang theorists to believe that God or a cosmic being created this original matter.

Science is the only truth and you know it bitch . does a starving kid get food by praying or save his family from murder does god intervine because you prayed? Fuck no not once. But science can grow food and provide security . are you even trying mate?

Though I agree with your general anti-scientism sentiment, you must be aware that you present a false dichotomy.

The solution you present is not viable, though the problem is legit. It's a problem of causality.

> cosmic background radiation doesn't exist

a.are you retarded

Agriculture grows food.

CNC farms grow food without labor

Big Bang, Black Holes and Dark Matter are all fantasy bullshit

Evolution is real but is Lamarkian in nature for complex organisms, due to the epigenome

They freely admit they don't know what created the big bang, only that it probably started with 1 particle. They make no verifiable claims about how it was created, only conjecture.

its called the laws of conservation lol, matter can transform with enough energy. ever heard of e=mc^2?

Argriculture is a science . transforming land to plant then harvest the repurpose into present day food sounds like a lot of science

>theoretical science which is all based on math and equations
>rather than observable data.
This has to be bait

It's from slightly electrified extrasolar plasma you dumbshit

> its all fantasy bullshit because I can't understand it

FTFY

> I'm only pretending to be retarded

fuck off dikhed

why did time have to exist before the big bang? our universe may be a bubble, a seed of expansion in a greater 'multiverse' that has existed forever and stretches infinitely, with infinite other bubble universes emerging from singularities.

science is observation of nature. that doesn't mean science is god, science exists to try and observe god in all facets. from the subatomic particles to super massive black holes.

Yeah, you pretty much summed it up.

And this is where multiple universe anecdote comes to explain the origin. The reckon that one, or two, or many universes are bleeding into this one, and that's how everything started. No lab results, no mathematics.

It's really stupid pseudoscience cult fairy tales written at the public's expense for their own private gains.

with all the shit that has ever happened here its rather hard to believe in a god.

problem with the bible and christianity is that there are 30-40 "ideas" that could "fit very well" with reality but if you combine them in a coherent picture it looks like the biggest pile of shit you've ever seen.

with science its that there is effectivly more work put into (tens of millions of researchers vs. few thousands who wrote and edited the bible), thats why its more trustworthy.

science points in my opinion to a universe that is strange as fuck, which is ok,but still a better explanation then the bible who fails even at the basics of explanations (proper structuring, argumentation chains, common logic)

Actually, that is where string theory gets involved and we have yet to get close to the origins. Get fucked you retadittor shariablue shitstain.

Science isn't truth you autistic cuck. It's just theoretical bullshit, an example of throwing a shitload of darts at a dartboard and calling whatever sticks the result of skill.

Also, starving kids who pray might or might not get food. God isn't required to save everyone that prays, especially after so many years of dipshit apelike humans throwing it all in his face and asking him to choke on a shit salad. The jews, his own "chosen people", even crucified his fucking son because they were too busy wanting to melt down golden idols and refuse to believe Christ was his son. Honestly I don't know why he hasn't fucking hit the reset button on us again and let us all die. It's only because he's merciful that "scientific" dipshits like you are even able to spew such ridiculous drivel and take pride in bullshit with no evidence.

Spacetime breh

There can't be a "before" because time didn't exist.

>slightly electrified extrasolar plasma you dumbshit
i love all the dumb amerishits in this thread with no education. wtf does that even mean? the cosmic microwave background radiation is radiation released round 380,000 years after the big bang when electrons and protons first formed

>I don't know what this is so it's dumb and false
epic

>THE BIG BBBRRRRRRAAAAAAAPPPPP
>can't prove the big meme
I know it's pretty silly.

Where did those other universes come from?

Everything must have a beginning an and end, with exception to God, because he is a cosmic being that existed before time and matter.

imagine you are inside a black hole now, you look back in time towards it's edges and see that at one point it was as small as an atom, before that there was nothing. we know that black holes are formed from death of stars in our universe but we can't look in, and from inside you can't see out. from inside the birth of the black hole is the birth of the entire universe. from outside it's just another object pulling at other objects. now think of dark-flow, we know something is tugging at parts of our universe with mass so large it moves whole spans of our universe in unison. put two and two together user; we are a black hole inside another layer. infinite layers up and down, we'll never stop finding smaller particles and we'll never see the outer-most layer because they go on forever.

I'll take:

>What is a theory?

for $600, Alex.

the big bang is creationism disguised as science
the universe is infinite in time and space
change is the only constant
electricity is the driving force that powers the universe, and our sun, it is not a nuclear furnace
nuclear reactions take place on the surface of the sun due to extreme heat and pressure created by intense electro-magnetic fields
>Big Bang, Black Holes and Dark Matter are all fantasy bullshit
correct

Time could not have existed, nor space (ie the 3D+time space your existing inside of), nor matter and energy. A formless void. So since the universe had a beginning, it surely had a cause - a cause some people call God. Those that choose to say this had no cause are just being obtuse to defend their atheist marxist ideology.

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>they can't explain everything, therefore God

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It works both ways retard

The Universe was still infinite in size at the moment of the big bang you dip shits. They give you the image of a pin point "exploding" because it is the easiest way to get it ( "it" being that the infinitely large universe we have today was just as infinitely large back then... it was just also infinitely dense).

So then, as the super dense Universe expanded, it became less dense, and therefore less hot, and therefore the four fundamental forces could exist, sub atomic particles could exist, and eventually Hydrogen and Helium could form.

If the Universe "explored" from a pin point size dot, or atom, or whatever... THERE WOULD BE A CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE FROM WHICH EVERYTHING IS MOVING AWAY. Do you get it now? Fucking government school double niggers. There is no center. At any point in the Universe, including my dick, every galaxy and body in the heavens is slowly expanding away from. Because it is space that is expanding, not a point that exploded.

Idiots.

Oh no, I understand quite well that itsshit tier science, trying to make observation for preformed theory

I hope you realize the big bang theory was developed by a Catholic bishop who was also a physicist.. he made it to reconcile his seemingly incompatible beliefs, not because the evidence pointed to it. The redshift exists but is not explained well by an expanding universe. That's why when they discovered Quasars in the 70s they didn't know what the fuck to do. They're incredibly redshifted, but evidence points to them being singular stars, not galaxies, due to the way they oscillate in brightness. However, since they're so redshifted, they're just assumed to be absurdly far away based only that redshift. Quasars, as well as sagittarius A, are just assumed to be related to black holes in spite of numerous anomalous issues, because we want them to fit. Science isn't about shoving a theory into reality until it fits, it's about uncovering the reality of the universe.

As for cosmic background radiation, perhaps you can explain why it was only observed at a hundredth of the predicted level? All that was done to fix this was to tweak the cosmological constant, arbitrarily. The fact that observation DID NOT meet reality was not met with an actual revision of theory, but with scientists basically shoving their fingers in their ears and humming loudly.

You are bluepilled as fuck on this issue, I can tell.

Wow creationists are so fucking insufferable. Instead of taking the time to understand science they would rather stick their inbred faces in their kike fairy tale book. You make me embarrassed to be an American but happy that I don't live in bumfuck Mississippi or some other shitty southern state where everyone has the IQ of a peanut

You are just redefining the meaning of God. If you are defining it as 'the initial conditions at the moment of the big bang', then sure, it was 'God'. The problem is that creation-cucks define God as a white haired sky daddy that judges them when they jerk off to blacked.com porn.

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Sorry man, but your reply here just proves how your explanation of the universe via Christianity is really you just telling us your personal opinion and emotional response to current events.

This post seems to be an emotional outburst and is sort of a window into your internal struggles with uncertainty, existence, and how it all gets fucked up from that Christian programming you were given as a child.

Try to let go and think freely my friend.

Also ITT
Cunts with no idea proposing ideas. Get an education fucktards, then ponder existence. Doing it the other way around is futile

You're an ignorant piece of shit. Go back to believing that nothing suddenly exploded into everything, I'll be laughing while you burn in hell.

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SO A MAGICAL SKY MAN PUT TWO PEOPLE IN A GARDEN KICKED EM OUT AND THEN THEY TOLD THEIR KIDS OR SOME SHIT AND THEY STARTED WRITING IT DOWN LATER BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE ETC PEOPLE COULDNT WRITE FOR A LONG FUCKIN TIME ETC ETC ETC GOD IS REAL SENPAI

Big bang theorists are humble enough to admit that they can't tell you how the universe started instead of saying that it was magic amd that magic is responsible for everything and that magic had no beginning.

Okay and how the fuck do you know that? Cause bill nye the science guy told you when you were a wee lad, and you never bothered to question it or think critically?
Or because you just want to believe that a species that has sent a single small object out of it's solar system is smart enough to trace the universe back to the first seconds of creation based off its pathetic observations made exclusively within the orbit of it's puny moon?

Cause we don't know shit, and you know even less.

The big bang theory came from a Catholic priest. It doesn't work without God. Everything can't come from nothing. The big bang needed a cause and the father of the theory believed that was God.

You'll be joining him for taking pleasure in anothers suffering.

Why waste your time explaining this to them? I thought we came here to troll?

Neither the biblical account of creation not the idea of the big bang is correct.

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Which is exactly why it's bullshit

You're a retard. It was hubble's observations

No laws of physics before big bang. Other than that nothing is assumed pre big bang.

Big bang happens, puts out hydrogen and perhaps some helium. The gas forms into celestial bodies due to the now present laws of physics. Fast forward a ridiculous amount of time and OP is typing about a theory he doesn't understand and I'm replying while taking a shit

>an explosion created everything

Explosions have never acted this way.

God is real

>the absolute state of science fantasy
You mad your Big Bang Theory is on par with creationism espoused by simpletons from Mississippi?

Calling people retarded when your ID literally says "gay"

If it's found everywhere, then why does it prove or disprove anything?

>water is everywhere we look on Earth
>t-therefore... the Egyptian theory of creation is correct!

All that did was confirm it. The universe is proven to be expanding. The majority of scientists are theists. It wasn't until recently that people started claiming Christianity is anti-science.

This is the most retarded perception of the Big Bang. It's not an explosion. Its expansion. The space between matter expands retard

Because of the cosmological background radiation and redshift. Take a freshman astronomy class.

Fun fact: they predicted the CMB before measuring it. The measurements verified the hypothesis.

The Big Bang and expanding universe are well understood and thoroughly proven. If you want to poke holes in physics start trying to explain dark matter or dark energy. There's no good explanation for either phenomenon.

ITT: Science cucks trying to refute my original argument without postulating any coherent argument of their own.

Face it you faggots. Science is based on human theories, and humans are by nature flawed and horrible pieces of shit. It's by sheer luck that the few observable realities of our universe have been able to be explained, such as natural selection. Again, throwing a handful of darts at a dart board and calling that which sticks the result of skill. Face it science faggots, you know nothing and only act pretentious because you think you know everything.

>cause we don't know shit and you know even less
Stop projecting and speak for yourself. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean that nobody else does

>They believe that the original subatomic particle just existed before everything

You do understand that the Big Bang and creationism are not mutually exclusive right? Who's to say that for an eternal being that 1 day is 24 of our hours?

>implying pic related explosions didn't contribute to the creation of the hell we live in today.
>implying there wasn't an architect for those explosions

op is actually a fucking retard or just baiting, "science has no evidence and muh bible does" is actually cringe

Why is the andromeda galaxy moving toward us then?

Hubble only observed a redshift. Light is strange and poorly understood, hence the counter intuitive nature of quantum mechanics, which deals mainly with light.

It's a total cop out to say that redshifts only come from the Doppler effect.. especially when there is as-yet unexplainable redshift effects coming from our very own sun. Read up on the evershed effect and then shove your own fist up your ass for being a faggot.

>implying all explosions are the same

we might not have a word for this particular kind of "explosion"

think pool balls clacking around on a table, they dont pulverize eachother into dust (though it could be assumed small particulate is produced) but they make sound, heat etc

Inflation cant be explained, yet they believe it

>the bible is not a human construct

>it was dictated by the big man in the sky

Kys

>This is the most retarded perception of the Big Bang
No, naming it"big bang" then expecting people not to assume its an explosion is the most retarded perspective here.

Science.
>Can't tell me if it's going to rain tomorrow.
>100% sure of happened billions of years ago.

>believe that initially there was a subatomic particle, which had no original creation,

but god had no original creation and thats ok?

>Okay and how the fuck do you know that?
Google Hubble. And if you don't believe what others claim to be seeing when they look through a telescope, go look for yourself.

We know a great a deal about physics through direct experiments that produce heat and pressures matching early densities in the Universe. If you think it is all based on guesses, maybe you should find out specifically what experiments were done - who has done them, etc., etc.

Many are reproducible by ordinary citizens.

Because it's approaching us faster than the space between us is expanding.

It has not been proven, it's an unproven assumption that people have masturbated mathematically over for the past seven or eight decades

The problem is that 99% of what we """know""" about space, the history of space and the history of the planet are based on theoretical physics and have zero observable evidence. If black science guy came up with an equation proving there's a colony of talking ducks on Jupiter, atheists and liberals would worship it as science.

>the expansion theory originated with a catholic priest

I said Hubble. Refute it faggot

The retardation is actually expecting normies to NOT be retarded about it.

>Georges Lemaître

Dumbasses

Have you seen god? Didn't think so. Is there proof of background radiation and universal expansion that is observable? Yes. Back to your trailer park you go Cletus

So it was already moving toward us before the big bang?

Reread my post.

The CMB was a factor of 10 less than expected so they had to pull the cosmological constant out of their ass to pretend like observation and theory matched when in fact they did not.

These things are complete fantasy and you take them on faith, you're no better than the most zealous and stubborn Bible thumpers, you just don't see it

>Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître Associate RAS[1] (French: [ʒɔʁʒə ləmɛtʁ]; 17 July 1894 – 20 June 1966) was a Belgian Catholic Priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the Catholic University of Leuven.[2] He proposed the theory of the expansion of the universe, widely misattributed to Edwin Hubble.[3][4] He was the first to derive what is now known as Hubble's law and made the first estimation of what is now called the Hubble constant, which he published in 1927, two years before Hubble's article.[5][6][7][8] Lemaître also proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the universe, which he called his "hypothesis of the primeval atom" or the "Cosmic Egg".[9]

Retards

>Big Bang theorists would rather believe that initially there was a subatomic particle

Couldn't even make it through the FIRST FUCKING SENTENCE without constructing a strawman. Amazing

>The problem is that 99% of what we """know""" about space, the history of space and the history of the planet are based on theoretical physics and have zero observable evidence. If black science guy came up with an equation proving there's a colony of talking ducks on Jupiter, atheists and liberals would worship it as science.

yo...your....you're a fucking idiot

Never heard a good refutation of ST Thomas Aquinas:

oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl201/modules/Philosophers/Aquinas/aquinas_five_ways02.html

There are in fact galaxies that are currently moving towards us which will actually 'slow down' and start moving away from us when the inter-galactic expansion overtakes the speed at which they are approaching us.

The retardation is implying normies are the problem in our society.
Prove me wrong

>Big bang theorists are fucking retarded.
>Now, if you have unlimited retarded theories, then it all makes sense.
KYS

Maybe the people who named it thought other people would actually educate themselves on the process rather than expecting to understand it merely through a title

>You are just redefining the meaning of God. If you are defining it as 'the initial conditions at the moment of the big bang', then sure, it was 'God'. The problem is that creation-cucks define God as a white haired sky daddy that judges them when they jerk off to blacked.com porn.

No i'm not redefining it, I admit we as humans will never know what occurred prior to the big bang, but it surely had a cause - one that exists outside of time/space/matter/energy. This first cause (existing outside of time and space) would be the alpha and omega and would have had no beginning or end as we understand it as humans, thus the first cause, the spark, or as some call it God.

The Universe is the product of intelligent design. No, it's not a white haired sky fairy, and no you won't go to a place of clouds and pearly gates when you die.
Enjoy your time on this plane of existence and quit worrying over things you were never meant to understand in the first place.

Well it's certain that you don't understand it, you let others tell you what to think and then viciously defend what you've been fed.. but I see no understanding

You science faggots had better repent before the night's over. You never know when Jesus is coming back. And when he does, if you haven't accept him, you will perish in the lake of fire. Knowing you science pieces of shit though you'll still doubt it's real because there's no human based mathematics to back it up. Congrats retards you're on level with the kikes.

>scientist believe =! scientist theorize

dumb op doesn't know what conjecture is

>their are religions older than Christianity that explain and accept big bang and evolution

Sorry man, but your reply here just proves how your explanation of the universe via Atheism is really you just telling us your personal opinion and emotional response to current events.

This post seems to be an emotional outburst and is sort of a window into your internal struggles with uncertainty, existence, and how it all gets fucked up from that Atheist programming you were given as a child.

Try to let go and think freely my friend.

Subatomic particles do and have been observed to spontaneously spring in and out of existence for miniscule amounts of time, it's not definitive proof in and of itself but it strikes a significant blow against the causality argument that assets the universe couldn't have simply come into being. Based on current data there is grounds to assume there very well may have been no initial cause.

>Christcuck whining because he has nothing to prove what he purport and everything he says lacks scientific basis yet he tried to use science to prove his points
Let me know when you've gone hoarse so I can come back and laugh at you while you have no way to respond except with soundless mouth movements you fucking cuck