I am in a debate about how easy it should be to identify someone carrying a decent amount of improvised explosives.
Can anyone provide some info about the weight in kilos of improvised explosive that would be required to cause the damage made in Manchester?
backpack
I don't know Ahmed, why don't you call the police and ask them. Don't forget to give them your name
My opinion too, not sure why we would need "airport style security" to avoid this..
you don't need much weight for a TATP + nails bomb for it to kill many people, specially in such a place as a concert where people wont receive medical attention for 15 minutes or more and bleed to death
say 5 to 10 kilos
> not respecting someone's opinion
You sick fuck.
Depends what kind of explosives. Did you not do GCSE Chemistry?
Also SAGE because as we're at critical threat level right now, the intelligence services are working overtime.
Go find another fucking board to harvest data www.goatfucker.com or sth
Considering it was a nail bomb that only killed 22 people, it was probably the size of pic related.
Considering he was in a crowded stadium this was a very low energy attempt.
I'm not interested in how to make them lol, just how easy they should be to spot and how far i should be away if i spot one
Chest rig and belt.
Looks like a shoplifter.
You really dont know shit if you think just carrying a bigger payload is going to result in more casualties.
>TATP
hahahahah, no. the suicide bomber is trying to bring people down with him - not just off himself in his garage
This
Not to mention the precursors to TATP are fairly easy to acquire and the explosive is harder to detect than others as it's not nitrogen based
Means any arab shitskin that knows how to mix things on ice can make it
Thanks, sort of thing i was looking for. Any rough dimensions with that? I am wondering how to spot this if necessary. Close friend left the foyer 10 mins before this, not good.
The Brussels bombings were done with TATP you nigger
We don't even know what explosive he used. No one is telling.
Take a guess and say it's Ammonium Nitrate. It's a common fertiliser although it's sale is monitored. 1kg would be the size of a packet of sugar. Nails are flat and so would be easily distributed around the package, maybe an extra layer of 1cm max. The detonator need only be small and could be unsophisticated if he intended to die in the explosion, so it's size relatively could be negligible.
All this is mere speculation.
I don't think they disclose what explosive are used, probably we wont know till many years from now
Are you trying to get vanned?
Well you are clearly a bad terrorist if you think it doesn't. Nails cause injuries and possibly casualties, explosives cause casualties within a given range.
>Ammonium nitrate
Still would need some other high explosive to set that off
No kidding.
>Inside the home, they discovered a nail bomb, 15 kilograms (33 lb) of acetone peroxide, 151 litres (33 imp gal; 40 US gal) of acetone, nearly 30 litres (7 imp gal; 8 US gal) of hydrogen peroxide, other ingredients for explosives, and an ISIL flag.
That was really stupid of them.
Just a tiny amount. Easily obtainable.
A lot less than the weight of the "white guilt" that these SJW's who make excuses for sandniggers carry..
Can we use TNT as a basis? I was assuming most improvised explosives would be worse than TNT as it's the usual base measurement for explosive power per kg.
>How to spot a pipe bomb
You can't. They can be concealed very easily. As far as the dimensions it depends on a lot of factors such as the kind of explosive used.
Just Google "how to make a bomb" over and over. Should end well.
How the fuck am I supposed to know?
Besides, I read that he didn't really walk into the concert crowd, but was mainly just near an entrance.
He obviously had it in a backpack or something.
Thanks, vague enough not to give any pointers to how to make but good info in order to gauge IED possibility.
bout tree fiddy
Yeah I believe there was also a church or synagogue attack a while back that used TATP as well
Ammonium nitrate is more so a car bomb thing as it only has a relative effectiveness of .42 but is easy to get large quantities of
ANFO is .74 but if you are limited by size you'd go for a more powerful high explosive
I didn't ask you in person, welcome to the internet. Yes i realise that, I am asking how one could spot such a device. Again, welcome to the internet, fucktard.
You won't spot the device. Keep an eye out for a Muslim guy who keeps glancing at his watch if you're concerned.
This is what I mean, I was assuming 10kg ish. I mean, someone is going to take their life for this bomb, surely the amount they think they can get away with comes into their plan at some point.. who would commit suicide for a 0.1 kg bomb?
>ballon pops up
>brits btfo
>terrorist attack
Nice blunt advice lol, I already look out for that one one the quiet ;-)
Yeah. The thing about it is that people completely underestimate the power of explosives. Less than one gram of a high-explosive will create an ear-shattering bang and dent thin metal sheets.
When we're talking kilograms, when even less effective variants like ANFO is completely "viable" for terrorist attacks like most of the ones we have seen - even if it's just carried in a backpack.
Terrorists will always be able to kill people, using explosives/smuggled weapons/knives - or even trucks and cars. All the soft targets we have in society can't be protected from the threat that exists within the nations with Islamic extremists.
put on a special effects fat suit, no one is going to notice if you've 10 or even 20 kilos of explosives strapped to you.
in a world of diabetes and the obese it's just hiding in plain sight.
The scary thing is how they have started using other methods to target soft targets. The French truck attack killed far more than most explosives do and was far less risky to do
Speaking of bombs a neo-nazi was arrested today after cops found HMTD in his room.
One of his roommates had converted to islam and murdered two of his other roommates
dailystormer.com
>he was shitskin
>had a backpack
>in a stadium with thousand with teens and preteen girls
>doesnt raise any suspicion
Yep, and the government thinks they'll be able to prevent these things from happening by installing more kinds of safeguards in trucks and public spaces... It's folly.
>HMTD
It's like they are actively trying to blow themselves up
fill the fat suit with ball bearings, more bang for your buck
Sort of advice they don't need, I asked this cos from what I have heard, he looked suspicious and wasn't wearing a fatsuit :p
Yeah why they would mass produce a primer is beyond me. At least it isn't the most unstable compound but still it'd be more likely that would've killed them instead of their white shariah roommate
that is not what OP asked,
he asked how easy it would be to identify someone carrying explosives.
with a fat suit no one would be able to identify the culprit before it was too late
he did not specify last nights attacker.
now fuck off and find Maddie for us, theres a good chap
This is why I ask though, people with good reflexes and awareness assume they will be able to dodge random truck into a crowd by seeing it coming. How do you spot a terrorist with 1kg of explosives if that's enough for a 100m radius ?
you can't , thats why that brazillian electrician was murdered by the london met a few years back
Mate this is Manchester. We have far too many Muslims of all different types, from based Iranians, Westernised types that are just into fast cars and making money and flat out OBL style jihadists. Shave and dress them in normal clothes and no one would even blink an eye.
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The terrorist didn't make it passed security he just targeted where they gather beforehand which of course is a obvious soft target
For mass gatherings you shouldn't let people corral together before any kind of security check
Just to be clear; I believe we are dealing with amateurs here, I am only asking how visible a bomb could be from a given range when an amateur attempted to conceal it. I do not want tips on how to conceal it, or how to make more potent explosives. I just want to know how to spot these fucking noobs.
I think there's simply too much practical information about these things online that is very to-the-pont without telling anyone anything else about how it works in broader terms. Then you get people making kilograms of HMTD/TATP or fulminates, without really understanding what the fuck they're doing.
Same thing goes for the amateurs who synth drugs for sale. One-trick ponies. No real knowledge or depth in their skills
security was stric on the way into the concert, no need to be strict upon exit.
besides its a cut through to the metro station, public space.
you legit cant stop homemade bombs or car attacks
they are gonna have to round up all muslims and remove them like palestine
"Drink deep from the well, or leave it be."
There's only one thing all these suicide bombers have in common and that's being Arabic. The only way to be 100% safe from suicide bombers is to stay a safe distance away from sand niggers at all times.
and thats the point, you simply can't.
it's like going to Belfast and trying to spot who's a prod and who's a tim
fuck off muppet, the guy was British born , ok his parents were Lybian refugges, but refigees from Gadaffi's regime
I have drunk plenty, but I sit on the fence as a rule. I believe in stats only, and stats only believe in probability. Give me 0.01% and I will give you my attention ;-)
If it's in a backpack or a small bag how the hell are you going to spot it? Sniffer dogs might work for security but for the average place that's out of the question. Suspicious behaviour of the perp is about your best guide. Too much fiddling with his backpack and looking around like he's something to hide. Body language essentially, as nebulous a quality as that is.
Just be glad you don't have muslims spending great deals of time planning out and acquiring materials for a large bomb like Oklahoma city
That's the thing I suppose, there are just too many soft targets for them
Only correct answer
>how much did the bomb weigh?
Don't know, but I heard it was pretty Grande
Where he was born is irrelevant. 99.9% of suicide bombers are brown.
I have 4 kids and would prefer not to take this stance, as I believe it to be divisive and statistically insignificant. But I see your point.
I'm sure they're planning all kinds of things...
so lets say you see a young guy off 20ish, he's got a back pack and it seems heavy, he's acting nervous and his skin is slightly darker than normal
maybe he's got a dozen beers in that bag, meeting a girl on a first date and just back from 2 weeks in Ibiza
maybe he's a terrorist
WHO THE FUCK KNOWS?
The Arena cuts right into Victoria Station and the main tram stop. It's ram packed at the best of times, so much so that I know people who have taken their kids to concerts (inb4 degenerates) and have feared for their lives at let out time due to the possibility of crushing or falling on tram tracks.
not all mussies are bombers, all bombers seem to be mussie, go figure
But the number of people who choose to carry out suicide bombing is a small representation of the demographic, you need a bigger population to make a decent assumption. Perhaps the level of exposure to radical I0slam is more important than colour?
dickhead. You must think that a rat born in a stable is a horse.
5 allahu akbars
Explosives can only go so far though. What I fear is some kind of chemical or biological attack. Imagine if muslims released a ton of sarin gas in some confined space like a subway or even got a hold of some dangerous disease and went about incubating it and spreading it en masse
1 Kilo of AN wouldn't make that size of a blast. I've played around with tannerite which is primarily ammonium nitrate, and would say 10kg would be more appropriate.
not at all but i do know theres a Wee Scottish Lassie you cunts have hidden , can we haz her back plox? ta
The package could be as small as a 4 pack of 500 ml, depending on the container. The alleged Boston bombing used pressure cookers, although that's a fair size, but readily available pressure container.
well you guys got shit loads of C4 into this country for the IRA, i;m sure if you tards can smuggle that in so can the sand niggers
>statistically insignificant
What's your cutoff point for the statistical safety of your children vs seeming intolerant?
>a rat born in a stable is a horse
That's a good one, I'm going to steal it.
I read that the bomb used was designed to tear bodies apart. Are there any photos/videos of the deceased?
it wasn't in the arena, learn2read the thread
the building the blast happened in is around 95% glass, any bomb in there would shred
Quite dodgy i'm not sure about this event but i had went to a similar arena in May every entrance had security searching everyone who entered in and again if you went in and out.
So it's been either pre-planted /combined made inside /or huge lapse in security.
As has been stated, he waited near the exit as people were leaving early, he wasn't inside the main venue.
He didn't get into the event or checked by any security, he targeted people on the way OUT. This is why I am interested in how to spot these cunts.
Or a hamster born in an aquarium is a fish.
Yeah. In the 90's experts feared more high-tech global terrorism, utilizing radioactive substances (area denial weapons), engineered viruses, various chemical weapons - but it never really happened. They're sticking to the things that works and are somewhat easily accessible.
Luckily most chemical weapons (like nerve gas, for example) are hard to produce without killing yourself - and hard to aerosolize/spread properly. Look at Aum Shinrikyo 1995 sarin subway attack. It's generally not cost-effective.
As for the dangerous diseases, most BSL +3 bioagents are really hard to get hold of and a lot of the dangers of bioagents has been countered by simple antibiotics. And even if they did get hold of something, the possible collateral damage being Muslims might scare them off.
I think it had nails and shit in it being homemade, pretty common since the explosion wouldn't be able to pulp many before dissapating.
If it was a lone wolf then I'd doubt it. If he had actual isis connections then I'd believe it. But it'd just be too hard for some radicalized fuck to find a smuggling route by himself compared to making some shit in his kitchen from unregulated chemicals.
if London Met's highly trained anti-terrorist squad can get confused by a Brazillian electrician running to catch the underground and empty two pistols into his skull, wtf chance do you or i have?
I'd need to see a picture of the damage done by the explosion, pre-cleanup.
Well, fair point but the number of people doing this compared to the number of Arabic people in total doesn't lead me to this conclusion. I would consider radical Islamic people to be more significant, and I will admit that they are mostly brown but that's far too broad a statistic for me to hone in on in terms of a real analysis of the problem. Not much different to basic feminists saying all men are the problem cos men have a little more potential to be cunts cos they are on average 10% more physically powerful.
A small improvised bomb is not going to kill primarily by pulping people, but by blood loss and internal bleeding from shrapnel. An archery broadhead that kills a deer is only small and travels at ~300fps.
one can of camping gas did this in Manchester a little while ago, no chemicals or explosive devices involved.
Glass shattering wouldn't cause fatal injuries
I heard it used ball bearings which unlike nails are more aerodynamic and would tear up people far more effectively
The subway attack was delivered in a fairly primitive way. They tore open plastic bags containing the stuff. If you actually managed to make a delivery system which quickly outputs it and used greater amounts then it could have been far more catastrophic. Half the battle is choosing an effective target. I believe there was a far more fatal subway attack in Korea by a man who immolated himself because they had shitty procedures for dealing with that kind of thing.
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Mate don't give advice like this to anyone, I don't think you want a bigger explosion in your country.
Or maybe you are one of them.
It's absurdly easy to conceal explosives.
See, I think that's normal security, airport security is pretty heavy - someone on BBC was asking for it earlier.
Agreed... But who are you and why do you also know about these things? haha
HMTD is still a lot less sensitive than TATP though, isn't it?
N-no one
t. not fbi