An honest argument against the 2nd amendment

I hate seeing very poor arguments posted by other leafs about why the 2nd amendment must be voided, so I would like to present a very strong argument.

As most people know, the 2nd amendment was written in 1791. 226 years ago. It had two intended purposes. #1 With an armed populace, people would be ready to fight should America be threatened by a foreign power. #2 Should the American government ever step out of line, the people would be able to take it down. Okay so now that we understand why the 2nd amendment was written, I am going to explain why it is no longer relevant in 2017.

America has the most powerful military in the world. There is no reason to have an armed populace when you have millions of trained soldiers ready to fight with the best equipment. Also, if the American government ever did step out of line, the general populace would never be able to overthrow it. The most powerful weapon an ordinary citizen has access to is what, an AR-15? Well that is not good enough to defeat a government with tanks, fighter jets, attack helicopters, battleships, aircraft carriers, elite soldiers and a nuclear arsenal with enough firepower to destroy our planet several times.

So basically, the populace does not need to be armed because there are trained specialists to fight for America should she be threatened. Also, the populace could never come close to overthrowing the government because of the resources that the US gov't has access to.

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Fuck you, I'm keeping muh guns.

you'll take my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands you damn leaf

>I hate seeing very poor arguments
>posts the same poor argument a 14 year old woman posts to facebook

oh canada

Do you understand we can see where you are from? Absolutely nobody gives a shit what you think. In fact I didn't even read your drivel just the title.

>a tyrannical government that MOABs entire trailer parks will remain legitimate.

Fucking Ontariofags

RAKE THE LEAF!!!!

>Turkey has military coup
>Put down by unarmed civilians
KYS leaf

right to bear arms is essential to autonomous property ownership. Gun grabbing is a building block of communism.

Baiting leaf.

>the general populace would not be able to overthrow it

ekshully, American citizens were allowed Warships and given letters of marque to wage war, officially, for the government. Technically we're still able to.

No one will fight for America in the event of societal or economic collapse. Nor will service members go along with the government should it become tyrannical.

Would you like to have an intelligent conversation, or would you like to be a typical burger and spew hateful rhetoric?

We're the only province that actually matters in this country

Not an argument

Fuck off

dumbo, we got more fertilizer ie bomb material, than you would ever need to overthrow a government. This is farm country.

Please stop using canadian proxies for your slide threads.

You're argument basically says that we have very little chance against a Rouge government, so we should completely give up and turn in our guns, turning that, let's say, 5% chance in winning a fight against the government, into a 0% chance. Great fucking thinking. Fuck off.

>argument against the 2nd amendment
here's my argument for the 2nd amendment.

This
Leafs will never learn

>implying that Canada matters.

Nah fuck off OP.

>/ourguy/

Fuck off leaf

What worries you, and the left people about guns so much?

Come and get em faggot

1776 WILL COMMENCE AGAIN

They're pussies who can't handle shit.

The US military is only like 3 million. The armed population of America is almost 300 million. I don't care how much "technology" the military has, they would get utterly destroyed in a massive armed uprising.

>government gets out of line
>Americans say fuck you we're not going to stand for this
>government try's to mobilize military
>half of military fights on the other side
>citizen militia numbers grow to over 100 million
>government gets fucked
Yeah don't tell me it's useless to have guns in America

Guns are used for one thing and one thing only: killing. Killing is wrong, it does not matter what the circumstances are. Both Human and animal life should be respected. Tens of Thousands of people in America are needlessly slaughtered at the barrel of a gun every year. This could easily be prevented if the gov't took all guns away.

SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED

Was about to post this.

>Implying that women and children would participate.

Should the American people ever foolishly attempt to overthrow the government, I cannot see more than 3% of the population fighting.

Melon labia.

I think you're wrong there. It'll be probably 30-60% that stay loyal. The rest will mostly desert, not fight against.

>tfw lack of free market access to tanks, attack helicopters and fighter jets is an infringement on the second amendment

Why would I have a conversation with someone who doesn't live here? You want to be an American so bad you want to argue about things that don't even effect you. Sad!

>An honest argument against the 2nd amendment
Alright I'll be honest. There is no argument. I am not even reading the rest of your post. If anyone tries to knock down my door, warrant or not, to take my guns. I am going to shoot them. If you want my guns you are welcome to try and take them.

Shall not be infringed. Full stop.

Yeah, they can take lives, or save them.

Take your pro-life bullshit off Sup Forums, I feel safer giving guns to niggers than to a corrupted government.

It does affect me though. Guns in your country are so many, and so unregulated that they get smuggled across the bored into my country and are used in violent crimes here. It's in the interest of all Canadians that the 2nd amendment is Vetoed.

SHALL

>F-35_Raptor_knocking_on_suspected_gun_owner_door.jpg

PEEL MAH FINGERS OFF THE GRIP
Seriously dog bless neighbor, moving back as soon as I finish my studies

>That webm
I now have a freedom boner

SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED
Go back to the cuckshed you fucking mong, you aren't even American and you're trying tot take rights away. You're not better than a piece of shit liberal taking away things that don't even fucking affect them.

kill your self, to be honest

>The most powerful weapon an ordinary citizen has access to is what, an AR-15? Well that is not good enough to defeat a government with tanks, fighter jets, attack helicopters, battleships, aircraft carriers, elite soldiers and a nuclear arsenal with enough firepower to destroy our planet several times.

1: This is incorrect. You can buy much more powerful weaponry, such as RPGs and .50 cal sniper rifles in many states, and tanks are legal to own so long as you can pay the tax stamps.

2: Armor and drones cannot enforce a police state, police are necessary to do so, and it becomes exponentially harder to do so when your oppressees are all armed.

3: Even if only a tenth of all gun owners joined the revolution (it would be far higher) and the Feds deployed every single last soldier (not possible; something like half permanently deployed overseas), we'd still outnumber them by something like 12:1 (before half of the military defected).

4: A new revolution would be backed by Russia and China, and the moment the Feds even threatened to nuke their own people they lose as the entire world turns on them. Conversely, the moment a nuclear sub defects, they lose as it points a gun at the head of DC.

this

>100+ million civilian gun owners in the US
>over 400 million guns owned (only counting legal ones)
>40 billion rounds of ammo
>compare to our military = 1 million members

the American people ARE the largest military in the entire world. fuck u shill

>the populace does not need to be armed because there are trained specialists
when seconds count and help is minutes away...
>pic related

Can Canada even form a well regulated militia?

The second amendment has and always been about resistance to government tyranny, not about defense from a foreign threat. If the government does go tyrannical, that "greatest military in the world" can turn on you in a hurry. if all 300 million Americans had an AR-15, the government would have one hell of a time trying to force compliance. That risk of a bloodbath is why we need the 2nd amendment.

Nigger they are used so rarely in a way that affects you you're fucking retarded

The Revolutionary war and Vietnam can attest that even technologically outmatched, an armed populace is a bitch to get rid of to establish contumacious commie canacuck idiocy

Wrong.

Government wouldn't use tanks on their people, because then the government would be useless without infrastructure/people to lead

COLD
DEAD
HANDS

Fuck off leaf. Saged.

My cousin was killed by an illegal gun smuggled into Ontario from the US

You know what bothers me is that liberals want to ban guns but don't want to ban Islam.

>America has the most powerful military in the world.
Made up of citizens. In the event of a civil war or major fall out of governance there would be major defects.
>the general populace would never be able to overthrow it
Brittan was the major power at the time and we fucked 'em good.
>with tanks, fighter jets, attack helicopters, battleships, aircraft carriers, elite soldiers and a nuclear arsenal
In the event of a civil war our logistics to maintain and deploy these would crumble. There's no argument here, you're just a mapled leaf.

>Ontario
found your problem

No serious person has ever argued against the 2nd amendment. Their are people who love it, who think it is one of the most important ones. And there are other people who dislikes laws and borders and shit, but who who have never suggested we repeal the 2nd amendment. This second group tend to also concoct crazy interpretations of the 2nd amendment; But since the meaning of the second amendment is well recorded in legal precedent they are meaningless interpretations.

ah i see, you are one of those "Canadian cucks"

Is that a goddamn alien fleshlight

Also
SHALL

>leaf
kys

>that they get smuggled across the bored into my country
It's not like anyone can fill out a "Non-Resident Firearm Declaration/Declaratiion D'Armes A Feu Pour Non-Resident" form retard. Holy fuck I bet my life you're an asian.

>Killing is wrong
No it is not. It is a chore like any other, to be done as quickly and efficiently as possible when the need arises.

>Don't worry you don't have to fight someone else would......
>When they feel like.....

Do I have that right?

if an insurgency can't defeat the US military, what happened in vietnam and all those middle eastern shitholes? really gets the noggin joggin

You literally reiterated what every other retard has said except it took you 7 paragraphs to do so

How about we mind our buisness and you mind yours, you faggot canadian

>Should the American people ever foolishly attempt to overthrow the government, I cannot see more than 3% of the population fighting.
3% of 300 million is 9 million. Way too many armed citizens for a government to attempt a civil war. The deterrent effect of the 2nd amendment is the key thing here.

Simple. The US is at an immediate disadvantage when they fight a conflict over seas in foreign land. When you have lived in an area for several years, even decades, and are extremely familiar with the geography, you can defeat any force no matter how formidable it is.

This is exactly why the US military would be able to stomp the shit out of civilians who stage in uprising in the US.

This has to be bait and you have to be using a proxy....

This same shit gets repeated here daily.

It is a muzzle device user.

>America has the most powerful military in the world. There is no reason to have an armed populace

That's more reason to arm the populace you idiot

>the general populace would never be able to overthrow it.
Vietnam
You need people for a police state with unarmed civilians, this has been discussed over and over


Seriously it's amazing how every anti gun fag says things that can be so easilly proven wrong. Like they have no idea about guns.

Listen you faggot leaf. First, okay I fell for your good damn bait. Secondly, your opinion doesn't matter, because you're a leaf and not a burger. Third, do you think the people that break the law are going to give up their guns? They acquire their weapons by illegal means, to protect themselves if they should ever murder someone. There is no way ballistics could be traced back to them. So, if you take the guns out of good citizens, then the only ones left with guns are the criminals. You're a jealous fucking idiot.

>America has the most powerful military in the world. There is no reason to have an armed populace when you have millions of trained soldiers ready to fight with the best equipment. Also, if the American government ever did step out of line, the general populace would never be able to overthrow it. The most powerful weapon an ordinary citizen has access to is what, an AR-15? Well that is not good enough to defeat a government with tanks, fighter jets, attack helicopters, battleships, aircraft carriers, elite soldiers and a nuclear arsenal with enough firepower to destroy our planet several times.


Every thread until you stop being stupid

Even with a military, there is a possibility of civil war where there is infighting amongst US soldiers themselves. Plus, with outside forces such as Interpol who would back up the globalist faction in our armed forces and invade our soil...we as armed civilians even up the numbers to the foreign invaders.We have a birth given right to defend ourselves under any condition, and our own local law enforcement tells civilians to arm themselves in the event they cant make it, to aid citizens in time. THIS scenario is reason why your arguments are unacceptable...

Checkmate.

>ignores my post
wew lad

Also, even our own fucking Department of Defense has admitted that an uprising would have better than even odds of ousting the government.

First of all: Fuck you. You're a fucking moron.

The armed American populace is the ONLY REASON there is any freedom left on earth. Period.

What if I live in the middle of nowhere and it takes the cops 15 minutes to show up. Am I supposed to sit back and die?
How do you like the px4?

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There are police to protect law abiding citizens from the criminals. Did you know this?

Just like how the Turkish military was willing to open fire on and the slaughter all the roach civilians laying under their tank treads. Oh wait...

I carry with me everywhere in California.

The only problem with that is that the military is the civilians. I think the last figures were around a 77% defect rate? With whole military bases being controlled by what's now the citizenry. It would be over before it started. That's why it'll never happen.

Why are FALs so sexy?

>The most powerful weapon an ordinary citizen has access to is what, an AR-15?

Another oddity
It's legal in the US and some other nations to raise and train a fully armed military unit, even an army, provided it is intended to operate outside of the US and its possessions. The basis for various mercenary units.

It's called the Bill of Rights not the Bill of Needs.

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You're canadian, you don't have a "second ammendment" what could you possibly have to discuss? Say gun control next time and you might have better results.

You have to be the stupidest piece of shit I've ever heard. Two men broke into my home one night. Immediately call the cops and exchange gun fire with the criminals while on the phone with the 911 operator. End up killing one and wounding the other who runs off. Even with the operator hearing the gunshots and me telling her I needed police and an ambulance, it took the ambulance 11 minutes to reach my house and the cops 13 minutes to reach my house. I live within the city limits of one of the top10 largest cities in America. I, my wife, and my two children would be dead if I didn't have a gun. So I hope you go fucking kill yourself you sorry piece of shit.

>Simple. The US is at an immediate disadvantage when they fight a conflict over seas in foreign land. When you have lived in an area for several years, even decades, and are extremely familiar with the geography, you can defeat any force no matter how formidable it is.
>This is exactly why the US military would be able to stomp the shit out of civilians who stage in uprising in the US.
>>Be Civilian living on your land for decades, and join the rebellion.
>>Suddenly, military attacks.
>>Jack and Steve who used to live in Oregon surely know the geography of Kansas better than I do!
>>Hey, is that my brother Arnold? Surely, I'm dead! He knows the geography better than I do!
>>Mfw Arnold refuses to kill his own friends and family for an uncaring government
Sage in the options field.

I've got news for ya, if you can't handle our opinions, or our will to have you fuck off and saged, then I'm afraid you're an idiot who can't accept the fact that some people will not agree with you. You're a leaf anyways, so please, do us all a favor, and delete it.

it wasnt until 1934 that fully automatic weapons and "destructive devices" where restricted byt the national firearms act, by the use of a $200 tax stamp. Here in america we can own a fucking 90 mm howitzer. youtube.com/watch?v=XkVn1lzcK70&t=169s this guy could raise an army and invade your country and win. Guns are here to stay, your country did away with them before there where more guns then people. according to pew research, "Search Results
A minority of Americans own guns, but just how many is unclear. More than a third of Americans say they or someone in their household owns a gun. There are by various estimates anywhere from 270 million to 310 million guns in the United States — close to one firearm for every man, woman and child". Plus the majority of law enforcment and military would never enforce such a ban, and provisions exist in the U.S. constitution where towns, counties, and states can raise militias and institute a draft. The state of arizona could probably conquer most of europe and many third world countries. See why its so difficult to take away guns? plus we can have gun parts mailed to our house and we can make our own guns easily with an 80% ar15 lower

>No reason to have an armed populace because we have the army and national guard
Yeah no fuck off cunt. Just as stupid as your "But we have police" argument except you stepped it up a notch. Switching to a different government controlled force does not change the fact it is a stupid line of reasoning. Also if stopping an insurgency with tanks, jets and ships was that easy Vietnam would have lasted all of one week.

The second amendment stands. Get fucked commie.

Stale.