Capitalism in theory:
>Free trade and democracy initiates progress and wealth will naturally distribute itself among the working population.
Late stage capitalism:
>The country is run by monopolistic, aristocratic corporations vying to control the population through a sham of a democratic process.
Socialism in theory:
>The workers seize the means of production and resources are distributed according the needs of the population. The state dissolves.
Late stage socialism:
>The government fails to adequately distribute resources, leading to famines and industrial shortages. Life is dreary and depressing, and the state encompasses all parts of your life.
National socialism in theory:
>The state exists for the betterment of a particular ethnic group. Your class is no longer your economic disposition, but your ethnic roots. Undesirables, degenerates, and class manipulators are removed from society.
Late stage national socialism:
>Thoughts?
Capitalism in theory:
Government officials vying for power begin accusing political opponents of degeneracy and such, usually "removing" competent people that keep the country going and replacing them with useless yes men. Eventually the state fractures from infighting.
socialism is evil
>National socialism in theory:
>>The state exists for the betterment of a particular ethnic group. Your class is no longer your economic disposition, but your ethnic roots. Undesirables, degenerates, and class manipulators are removed from society.
There is literally nothing I could post to make this worse. That's so anti-meritocratic that I doubt any such society could have professionals.
Right on. Himmler was already there before Stalingrad.
National Socialism is an ideology that favors the aryans. It seeks to clean away undesirable genes from society until it attains racial purity. If you're not a tall blonde, blue eyed person of Germanic or Nordic origin then you are viewed as either impure, honorary or subhuman.
Okay, just read this. I agree with this sentiment.
If you don't do the capitalism the good people are unused. If you don't use the good people they won't get better and will stop being good people. Anything socialism helps absolutely no one. It's always zero sum.
T. kike brainwashed burger
>The country is run by monopolistic, aristocratic corporations vying to control the population through a sham of a democratic process.
Literally something that never happened. Perhaps you should stop listening to the theories of skinny-jeans wearing nu-males and take a look at history.
What is this thread, political science for toddlers?
He's much better off worshiping a tiny little Euromutt/half kike with mommy issues... Just like everyone would be better off being led by a small group or a Supreme Alpha, eh, cuck? Fuckin Nat Socs betas and communist twinks are the flip sides of the Jew World Order Shekel...
They should clean that statue, it's in terrible condition and is disrespectful to the man it is of.
Terran Federalist Theory:
>To vote is to wield authority; it is the supreme authority from which all other authority derives...Force, if you will! -- the franchise is force, naked and raw, the Power of the Rods and the Ax. Whether it is exerted by ten men or by ten billion, political authority is force.
>The universe consists of paired dualities. The converse of authority is responsibility.
>Authority and responsibility must be equal... To permit irresponsible authority is to sow disaster; to hold a man responsible for anything he does not control is to behave with blind idiocy. The unlimited democracies were unstable because their citizens were not responsible for the fashion in which they exerted their sovereign authority . . . other than through the tragic logic of history.
>Since sovereign franchise is the ultimate in human authority, we insure that all who wield it accept the ultimate in social responsibility -- we require each person who wishes to exert control over the state to wager his own life -- and lose it, if need be -- to save the life of the state. The maximum responsibility a human can accept is thus equated to the ultimate authority a human can exert. Yin and yang, perfect and equal.
Idk but rolling.
>Nazi German economy booming while the rest of the world is suffering worst economic depression in history
>Nazi Germany leading world in STEM
kys you fucking libshit faggot
>muh mudshits can be smart too!!
I believe the oxidation actually protects the copper. Other than hosing off bird shit, and dirt, it should be left alone.
It looks terrible.
Who cares if it protects the copper, if the statue deteriorates then just build another or just maintain it.
Are you suggesting the Statue of Liberty should be polished back to a ruddy brown color? The pleasant green patina is the fucking point. It's why copper and bronze are more attractive than brass long term.
What else did they lead the world in? How was their international trade?
You really think current socialism isn't the same? Instead of executed by the state, it's executed privately by HR workers with sociology degrees. Those undesirables become white men and other privileged classes, and they too think they're improving STEM and leading in STEM by making it more womyn friendly and giving it a feminine touch.
No, you tiny green blood feathered cuck, all socialism is cancer. All if it. If you don't do the capitalism, if you don't accept there are people better than you who deserve more than you, then you can't expect these people to either help you or be on your side. Any socialist system will necessarily alienate anyone who could actually make it work.
This 1000X Nat Socs ARE NuMales... They are just the controlled opposition of the antifags... Net result is concentration of power in hands of the state, subjugating it's citizens...And who controls the state? The ((financial interests)) who print the money...
Pssst... monarchy outlasts all these forms of government. It has proven stability for centuries.
The statue of liberty doesn't look terrible with the green though.
That statue does. I am just saying they should clean it to make it look more aesthetic, you can't tell me that statue doesn't look shit now.
retarded OP, are you stu-
>check flag
>it's USA
oh... here we go son:
Capitalism:
>individualism
>The most powerful dominates the weaker ones, the ones with less capital
>You learn to hate your own people, your own neighbors. distrust everyone
Capitalism v2
>Extreme Individualism
>The powerful ones destroy the weaker ones and generates poverty, it always end up in dictatorship.
>A lot of people dies, stupid people blames the dictatorship instead the previous goverment for fucking up everything.
Socialism
>Expend all the money we have and more so the people could love me!. Free everything, i will give you what you want no mmater the cost.
>It ends up with a bomb for the next goverment, people hates the new goverment. Stupid people will vote for the socialist goverment again.
>divide and conquer, extreme hateful groups/ racist groups everyone.
>Late Stage Socialism
>Collectivism, Communism
>it doesn't want to leave the power and the people pays for it. Everybody hates you
>Eventually war, you are defeated becouse you suck at economy.
>the country it's in ruins
National Socialism
>It works only if it has the peoples support, many other people will dislike it. The people must be united for a common goal.
>The learder and it's supporter are the ones who will make the country grow up or make it fall
>jews are enemies naturally.
>jews hates it, every other country that it's controlled by jews will attack you
>civl war / war
Late stage Natsoc:
>the new generation grow up not knowing what was the struggle
>it fades up when the leader dies and another weak leader takes his place
>The country becomes anything but NatSoc.
>The new generations learn to hate the previous goverment and everything they are archieved.
>Bad end becouse muh criminals ancestors dindu nuffin
>anti-meritocratic
How so? The most anti-meritocratic system is liberal-capitalism.
Yes... Being a fuckin subject is definitely the longest running form of government... You UK fags know all about being permanent subjects... BTW, how does it feel to be ruled by inbreds for centuries?
Lol. Maybe if you don't count the unrest and wars of succession every time one died, sure.
authoritarian capitalism is the only solution
when you have a population that wants to put as much socialist policies as they can, capitalism can't work the way it's intended to
Oh and democracy is not our God... That's a lie by the ((Owners)) The united states is a republic with a rule of law based on individual sovereignty... at least it was until the Bolshevik Kikes took over our financial systems...
>authoritarian capitalism
No such thing... You are either free or you're not...
If you look closely, you'll notice that it looks like shit because about 30% is only partially oxidized--possibly due to someone cleaning it, and rubbing off some of the oxidation. The brown underneath is showing through the green.
If you just let the statue sit, it will eventually develop a nice even green hue, instead of the splotchy pattern it has in the picture.
Hence inevitable Chinese, and Asian micro-state hegemony. The West still believes the lie that economic freedom and political freedom vary DEpendently. Singapore disproved that first. Now China is disproving it again. Research the difference between starting a business in Europe, and starting a business in Singapore or China.
Proving my point.
It rewards people based on ethnicity rather than proven merit, what are you trying to argue?
Small business capitalism, aka libertarian capitalism, aka classical liberal capitalism, provides the most opportunities for jobs and the most competition for workers rather than competition for jobs. Big business don't like this because they use unemployment to keep wages down. The most meritocratic system has the smallest authoritative units, socialism has large authoritative units and will inevitably provide fewer opportunities and basically make people compete for government jobs.
Nothing about this is good for workers. You want to help workers? Small business. You think white men too white and manly to get past a HR Marxist is going to give a fuck when he can just apply at another place without the Marxist HR?
>Oh and democracy is not our God...
Its a shibboleth for most modern people. An unassailable and unquestionable good in the world. Yet the question remains... would you rather have a vote in how you are ruled, or be ruled well?
>The united states is a republic with a rule of law based on individual sovereignty
I agree, the USA was setup pretty well originally. Pretty decent plan from the beginning. The problem is it began to be fucked with only a few decades later. Expansion of voting rights, etc. Ending slavery was a good idea, but the slaves should have been freed and sent back. As was originally the plan by Lincoln and pretty much everyone else at the time.
What point is that? The one on top of your head for thinking that China is a model to aspire to?
>Late stage national socialism:
Increasing ethnic and social "purity" standards are abused by the state to remove even superficial "impurities" from the population. This can be abused to suppress any form of dissent to the state whether that dissent is rational or not. State functions serve only the interest of inner-party oligarchs.
>would you rather have a vote in how you are ruled, or be ruled well?
It's a false choice when the options are chosen for you... Democracy is a smoke screen... The only way we win is by shrinking the size of govt and taking the money creation powers out of the hands of men.
A lot of capitalism ends up that way because of corruption.
Famines happened in early Soviet times, not later Soviet times.
>It's a false choice when the options are chosen for you... Democracy is a smoke screen...
Exactly, and Hoppe makes the point pretty well that democracy, by its very design, increases time preference of both the ruler and the ruled. Thus government will always grow under democracy. his is a de-civilizational force that cannot be stopped.
>It rewards people based on ethnicity rather than proven merit,
False.
>The most meritocratic system has the smallest authoritative units
Not necessarily true.
>You want to help workers? Small business.
Then you want natsoc. Liberalism degenerates into monopoly and cronyism every time because capital gains controls of the government.
>Expansion of the voting franchise was a good idea.
Why?
As I stated before: the governmental framework, is a separate question from the economic system. Economic freedom and political freedom vary independently, contrary to Western economic and political dogma. Lee Kwan Yew proved so in Singapore, and Deng Xiao Ping took his model and applied it to China. Interestly, both countries were and are one-party states, though they differ beyond that one similarity.
Incidentally, I am open to the possibility of improving the GOVERNMENTAL framework of China, or any country for that matter, but mere greater democracy is not something I would consider an inherent improvement. As for the economic model, yes I believe the Singaporean economic model IS something to aspire to, and China's aspiration to it is what has brought half a billion people out of poverty in a fraction of the time it took for the US to become the wealthiest country on Earth.
>authoritarian capitalism is the only solution
How is this the solution when it is the problem we have now?
Late stage national socialism:
>because of corruption.
Pro tip. It ALL get's fucked up because of corruption.
>>Expansion of the voting franchise was a good idea.
>Why?
You misunderstood me. Expanding voting rights in the USA was a terrible idea. The founders never wanted democracy, in fact several of them openly wrote about how they thought democracy was an unstable shit-tier form of government.
Capitalism never promised to redistribute wealth to poor people
Capitalism promises to protect property rights, to allow individuals to voluntarily contract with each other to exchange scarce resources
Capitalism has nothing to do with democracy
Not only is this a great post but that fucking pic is hilarious and amazing
>"Socialism"
>trying to define socialism in a single statement
Not even the wacky people can agree to a consensus what "socialism" is, user
>I believe the Singaporean economic model IS something to aspire to
Singapore doesn't have a sustainable economic model you dunce. They are a tax haven and would be broke without other countries that actually produce anything sending money there.
>Late stage national socialism:
Your leaders become paranoid and misfocused. The rest of the world kicks your ass.
>Late stage national socialism
Government is controlled by a despot. The population suffers. War.
The 'authority' in authoritarian capitalism is the state, not capital, and not capital holders. That's how it is done in practice in actual authoritarian capitalist states, or "state capitalism" like in East Asia. And without democracy, capital holders have no smokescreen behind which to purchase influence in the government. The party is sovereign, and to exercise sovereignty, one must be a part of the party. The state maintains the monopoly on force FROM capital, else it is not the sovereign authority, and it's no longer authoritarian state capitalism.
You are lamenting a system in which the state is powerless in the face of capital interests. The state is weak, rather than strong. A strong state can control capital interests insofar as they seek to influence government. The trick is allowing them total freedom to accumulate more capital. Singapore cracked that code.
It's model is perfectly sustainable for a micro-state. China has chosen other industries to underpin its economy, but the principal is the same. You are talking about the chosen industries, not the system itself.
>It's model is perfectly sustainable for a micro-state
False. Singapore is essentially a banana republic and completely reliant upon larger states using it as a tax haven to sustain it.
Yes, it's sustainable because it serves a need that is not likely to go away. And if it DOES go away, being of the freest economies in the world means it will be easy to entrepreneurs to establish new businesses to respond to changing market demands. Or do you not believe in the creative power of free enterprise capitalism?
The way I see it, westerners can't have it both ways. Capitalism can't be the magical engine of wealth that they say it is, and then turn around and say that Singapore isn't sustainable. How is a state that is LESS economically free than Singapore suddenly considered MORE sustainable? You don't believe in the power of capitalism now?
You're incoherent.
not him but whats to stop people later on in government from taking bribes directly from corporations in exchange for say a promised retirement plan at a CEO level salary or something?
I mean there's no such thing as an incorruptible person y'know
>Yes, it's sustainable
No. You're an idiot. That's like saying UAE has a sustainable economic model or something. Fucking retarded. Singapore is a very fragile economy that could not withstand any sort of upset.
>Or do you not believe in the creative power of free enterprise capitalism?
Of course I don't. Why would I believe something that is obviously false? Free enterprise capitalism has not created shit. All significant advances in technology come from government grants and research. All free Enterprise does is find a way to mass market it to idiots, which I wouldn't consider creative or beneficial.
Well for one, China likes to use the death penalty for state/capital corruption cases. Also, the less the state does, the fewer favors it can offer. The ideal model is an all-powerful state that does very little. The US actually has a rather weak state that does way too much. It is able to be easily corrupted because it is weak, and has its fingers in everything. When a state has no complicated tax system to exploit, and lacks billions of dollars in state project contracts to doll out, there's not much for capital to corrupt--it's a better use of time to focus on dominating in the free market.
>A 108 IQ population with virtually zero administrative barriers to opening new business is incapable of responding to changing market realities.
>Free enterprise capitalism has not created shit. All significant advances in technology come from government grants and research.
Hence the superiority of the Chinese model. There's reason China is building new prototype thorium reactors and the US can't scrape enough money together to replace a highway overpass.
I bet the next thing you'll tell me is that China is less sustainable than the western economies too, because reasons. Sounds like you're just an incoherent cheerleader for your own bullshit.
>everyone is unsustainable except for the imaginary white ethno-socialist state that exists in my head
Cool.
so basically the state has control of the people but not business I guess that could work but as meme-ish as this sounds who builds the roads? the government or the corporations?
and if the government does in fact build public infrastructure then in theory they would maintain it as well necessitating the formation of a division of said government in order to carry out this and that would then be repeated over and over until the government is involved in regulation of everything else right?
unless of course the government gets the corporations to maintain it but then your left with the problem of corruptibility again
sorry if that doesn't make sense I'm kinda tired
China treats public infrastructure as sovereign state property, no different from a river or a mountain range. Not "public" property, which implies some democratic common ownership. No. It is the property is the state, regardless of lingering communist "peoples" rhetorics. People are no sovereign in China. The party as state is sovereign, with no equal, no metaphysical god of human equality, or individual sovereign souls.
Also, when ruling members are selected BY the party, not by popular referendum, the only way to influence government decisions is to outright pay government officials. There are no campaign funds. There is no media establishment to boost certain candidates. There is only outright bribery. It is much easier to police bribery than to police softer forms of corruption and influence. And again, the death penalty actually influences white collar criminals unlike low IQ crime-of-passion murderers that it only targets in the west.
huh thanks for the info poland
1: Define late stage capitalism, because last time I checked capitalism doesn't work in stages. It just is.
Late Stage National Socialism
>The state gets over turned by foreign rivals because the jews do not like a pure ethno state that exists outside of Israel.
National Socialism eventually fails because no population is actually pure. Eventually, what was an ethnically group just becomes an ideology used by those in power to stay in power, regardless of the status of their people.
>>A lot of people dies, stupid people blames the dictatorship instead the previous goverment for fucking up everything.
Yeah let's not blame the guy shooting at us, it's probably society fault.
That's not dumb at all.