Can I get a quick rundown on "Healthcare"?

Can I get a quick rundown on "Healthcare"?

Why is universal Healthcare bad? Cant the fed simply subsidize the industry so that companies arent highly taxed?

fuck commies i will crash their economy and did

It's bad because it's bring less money to (((them)))

well I agree but everyone eventually gets a health problem, they cant be expected to pay because even basic treatment is so expensive, so what do?

The social answer: because I'm not responsible for paying for you; I pay for me, and you pay for you.
The economic answer: in the short run its just expensive, in the long run quality plummets and the price rises even more due to dwindling supply. And don't listen to people who say it would just be like Europe, only states like Vermont would be like Europe. The rest of America is so fat and we have so many illegals that the cost would be out of control.
What America has now isn't good either but the last thing we need to do is to continue going in the same direction that made it so expensive in the first place.

Why must it be Federal?

In Canada the only thing the Feds run is Mental institutions & Prisons.

The Provinces have control over medical care (but not the looney bin kind) and education.

The Feds just fund "Health Canada" as a standardization (x number of beds per capita = here's a grant) & information sharing (in case I break my leg in Quebec when I'm from BC) agency.

Feds don't run hospitals here.

This is largely how I feel about it.

We all have to pay for our healthcare eventually. Tax money has been used to pay for poor people's healthcare for decades (emergency care, but there's also medicaid for some) and there has never been widespread opposition to it.

Lots of people say "Oh I'll just die young" or "I'll tough it out without doctors" but eventually almost everyone ends up choosing to go to the doctor.

We should be adults about health care and get biggest bang for our buck, which is universal single payer.

No more people waiting until they have to go the ER and needing thousands or tens of thousands of dollars in health care, because they couldn't afford to see a PCP months or years earlier.

No more inflated "insurance" prices squeezing more people away from their PCP and into the ER.

No more copays keeping people from making appointments with their PCP.

And, oh yeah, no more 15 minute appointments (to save money for insurance companies) with your PCP, so patients can actually get their problems diagnosed and treatment started as early as possible.

Ceterum censeo, medicaid is actually shit-tier coverage that ends up costing us a lot more.

In a homogeneous mono-cultural society, the idea that the group helps all of its members is correct and morally right.

also this

States are much more autonomous than provinces. Good luck convincing all those Republican controlled legislatures to pass universal healthcare.

The only thing states have consistently supported or done their own thing with Federal subsidies are medicaid programs. They're pretty shit and even in blue states it's almost always used primarily for uninsured children.

Most practical solution: let the states that want single payer go single payer. And let the states that want free market to go free market. Would require full repeal of obamacare,medicare, and medicaid on federal level.
May the best system win

I think the fathers of Confederation made the right call in making the Provinces in charge of Healthcare & Education.

Think of it this way Americans.
A Texan would gladly help a fellow Texan.
A Texan would gladly give a Californian the middle finger.
If your "single payer / universal healthcare" was State only, the Texan would gladly pay an extra %'age (however in depth they'd wish to take their Healthcare, it varies here too) in taxes to make sure his neighbor didn't go bankrupt because of a broken leg.
A Texan would rather light that money on fire than have it heal a Californian.

>replace Texas & California with Quebec & Alberta for you Canucks.

In what way is 50 incompatible systems, some total opposites of each other, the most practical?

Unless you mean politically expedient and useful to your own personal ideological interests.

Single payer wins by default because even some states going kills the insurance companies. We also pay our doctors a LOT less than American doctors.

It's that X would pay for Y and not Z but its for sure the right call either way. I think the main reason is that at the time all parts of Canada were a lot different culturally and had differing ideas relating to medical care overall and how they should be handled.

Didn't Romney (R) in a Republican state pass a State wide healthcare system that was then copied by the Democrats (with extra red tape added) to create Obama Care federally?

Exactly.
Every Province does its Healthcare system differently here. They're all variations of Saskatchewans "Universal Healthcare", Alberta has a (definitely not, wink wink) Two Tier system while others have a full blown government run everything system.
Let the locals choose.

BC has a "let everyones medical records get hacked and sold to China" system. Can't forget that.

...and? Obamacare isn't 50 different state health care systems any way you spin it, except for the exchanges, which have largely been a massive failure and every single insurance company says they can't stay in it without illegal subsidies from the tax refund fund.

Universal HC only works in smaller countries like Finland or Israel.

in USA you can't sustain so many people, also IIRC most muricans are obese lmao

>Cant the fed simply subsidize the industry so that companies arent highly taxed?
>let's increase tax spending but this will somehow reduce taxation

nigga wat

That's Federally even, thanks to Huawei being the tech contractor for Canada's servers n shit now.. even after the five eyes agencies all protested it.

Nothing about the systems would be incompatible. It just insures that people in states that want single payer could get that within their state and possibly even other states if those states worked things out with the individual hospitals. People in states that go free market however could still pay for their healthcare in any state they want, they just won't get it for free.

Plus it keeps the country from tearing itself apart.No need to fight over something as stupid as this if everyone could get their way.

>good luck having Republican legislatures pass healthcare
>give example of Republicans passing such a thing
>...and? ~attacks other things~

Get out.

Or by regions of a large nation.

Yeah, that guy doesn't know how Single Payer works.. it's used to bargain down prices by strong arming & bulk purchases, not subsidize.

What did he mean by this?

You live on the border of Idaho and Oregon.

Idaho uses the insurance based private healthcare like everyone used to.

Oregon uses universal health care.

You become sick and can't afford private insurance. Do you move 10 miles to Oregon or do you just die quietly in Idaho?

Different systems work in Canada because they're all socialized health care. In the US, we're not going to get 50 states to pass socialized health care, which means people will start migrating to universal states, overburdening the systems and potentially collapsing them entirely.

You can have 50 different systems, but they'll have to be basically the same, like in Canada. And that won't happen in the US without Federal legislation.

I wouldn't mind having each state have their own state-funded universal healthcare. Seeing California go bankrupt pretty quickly while their hospitals are stuffed to the brim with long lines, year-long appointments, and doctors leaving because they don't want to be enslaved by the state sounds pretty fucking funny when they collapse under the weight of their own socialism

sorry califags, this is the future you wanted