EUROPEAN LEGAL GUNS

Post the most efective legal gun you can buy in your country
Spain: caliber 12 pump action shotgun with 8 Cartridges
Rifles in spain can not use proper rifle ammo like 5,56 x 45 NATO and its max magazine is 2+1

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this badboy here

That's actually pretty nice. Slugs? No handys?

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Effective in what? Hunting? Target shooting? Going on a killing spree?

Try using the other side

link related
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blunderbuss

militar spoon?

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>any rifle up to .50bmg
>any approved semi auto (needs to be not compatible with military version)
>every shotgun, except pump gun

soon EU will cuck us with 10 round magazines, buying spares right now that i will "lose" when they are illegal.

let me know where you got that shit id get it in a heartbeat

Impossible to narrow down in such vague terms. Effective for what?

Owning the magazine wont be illegal, inserting them into the firearm will.
Stupid as fuck but thats how it is

We can buy everything that burgers can buy.

It's just a lot of more paperwork and they need a reason.

.338 rifle for hunting? No problem.
7.62 semi auto for practical shooting? No problem.

'murca!!!!

let's say self-defence, tho' its ilegal in spain to use a shotgun for self-defence, even if somebody armed enter in your house.

>(needs to be not compatible with military version)

What do you mean by compatible?

I think it might be for making tea.

You would scoop your tea leaves, then place the perforated cover on top. Drop it in the cup for a while and brew, then take the cover off and dump out the dregs.

Also in Canada we can own a .55 BOYS Anti-tank rifle with an unrestricted license. Basically a weekend course, and a written/practical exam the same day. It's all about safety and some theory, but you never fire a round the entire time.

Then you get to go buy anti-tank rifles :^)

any machinegun not currently in use by MIL/LEO

dangerous

I cant get over how much the stick 57 looks like the Assault Rifle from the original Fallout 1 & 2 games. Except metal instead of wood grips.

and for personal defense I use pic related.
this bad boy is my problem solver.

exchangeable parts, like the bol etc.

>target shooting
>Read as target spooning

Does that rule only apply to guns used by the Austrian military?

For some reason alot of countries dont like their citizens using the same weapons that their military uses.

Im guessing its for supply chain logistics, so that way civilians arent chewing into the same ammo supply that the military does.

I believe 9x19mm is illegal to use in Brazil for example, and over in Pakistan you cant use 7.62x39 (thats why there's actually a market in Paki for 7.92mm Kurz)

> illegal for self-defense
Fuck this country

That is beautiful holy shit.

That knife too...any sauce on it?

so it is only inserting? Last time they talked about banning "hi-caps" all together and owning them should illegal.

Our socialist government uses them on us all the time.

no only civilian

I mean the rule for civilians. When you say the parts can't be compatible with military version does that rule only apply to guns currently being used by your military or all militaries?

My students ask me this all the time. "What's the best gun for defense?" My answer is always the same: "If your ass is on the line, the one in your hand will do." Get the most (proven) reliable and accurate gun you can afford and safely handle. Everything else is just porn. There's nothing fancy about shooting back.

In France you can own pretty much anything aside from full autos. The classification is fucked though. For example a remington 1858 is D category (free for sale, no hunting permit, no prefectural permit required), while a Ruger old army is classed as B category (need both hunting permit + prefectural permit).
They are basically the same gun in terms of how they work and what they shoot, but they are subject to drastically different legislation

Lol I have one almost exactly like that, it's even kinda rusty. I recently stopped carrying it in my car though, because I figured if I ever swing it the bottom slotted end is likely to cut me.

Now I just keep a huge box wrench beside my seat. If a cop ever questions me I can legitimize it, whereas a baseball bat/tire thumper...might be harder.

Wrong, if this is anything to go off of class 3 allows 40mm Bofors

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I guees handy means a shorter version, its ilegal even a removable butt, cuz then its easier to hide it

No you can still buy functioning hi cap mags since they are considered collector items.
But you can't use them, as if Ahmed gave a fuck and actually had range inspectors checking on him

That is one sexy as fuck weapon.

Laws like this are usually designed to provide more legal charges to stick to someone in court to make sure they get put away.

But it has the overall effect that you wont be able to Find any high-cap mags either, so on a larger scale it will pretty much nerf mag capacity since most of the ones after that wont be high capacity.

> mfw a sheriff did a documentary about how magazine capacity doesnt mean shit
> a woman using 5 round mags in a Glock wasnt slowed down much by having to reload compared to a 33 rounder... maybe 2/3rds the speed thats all

Mag Capacity doesn't mean much when you can just carry More Mags.

It means alot when you're using fully automatic weapons, but unless its belt fed you run out pretty quick no matter what.

Hmm, probably a 9mm Handgun would be appropriate for Self-Defence in most cases. In Germany there is the possibilty to bear arms with a carry permit ("Wafffenschein"), even though it is very difficuilt to nearly impossible to get one as a average citizen, since "Self Defence" is not a reason to apply for these permits. The most effective long rifles for these legally obtainable by civilians are semi-automatic versions of the G36 (HK 243/ HK 293) and i believe it is also legal to buy the civilian version of the g3 (HK 41) chambered in 7.62x51mm, though im not sure a Waffenschein permits you to carry long rifles.

Troy pump action ar15 rifle was specifically designed for states with restrictive gun laws and Europe.

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>he can't own his own tank
Haha you cuck.

>tfw you have to ask the government to be able to use it
Fucking fascists, if i own the proper range, i should be able to fire a missile at it whenever i want

I ment hand guns

But really you mean a full-auto SAIGA 12 with dragon's breath and rock-salt rounds.

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>that one time a guy stole a national guard tank and declared war on commiefornias shitty parking

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In the UK you require either a Shotgun certificate (section 1 & 2) which permits you to own shotguns with a barrel under a certain length, and semi-automatic shotguns. Mossberg 500 is a popular purchase. FAC's (firearm certificates) allow you to own better firearms. These come with ridiculous restrictions, like being stuck in .22 calibre which isn't even a combat round.

For weapons such as the .50 cal Steyr HS, you require either access to a plot of land, or access to a special range to legally fire it. You can own it and "not use it" if you know what I mean.

shotguns use shells, not carts

Also start buying guns.

no wonder you are overrun, Ahmed...

Use a Derringer or .22 Revolver
Shoot them in the neck
Twice.

> over a card table
> for cheatin' cards

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Most effective for what?
Self defense - pistol, revolver according to your wallet and taste.
Home defense - pump action shotgun.
Hunting - hunting rifle, shotgun.

I think there's some legitimacy to that argument, but if you reduce the mag size drastically it will certainly have an impact.

Here in Canada, if you own an AR, you're limited to a 5 round mag. People bypass this by using AR-pistol mags, because our semi-auto pistol mag regulations are pinned at 10 rounds. Technically the mag is legal, and it still works in AR rifles...

Overall, if someone is limited to 5 or 10 rounds, vs. a 60 round drum mag, I think their killing power will be noticeably reduced. In addition to the reloading, they have to actually carry that many more mags and stow them somewhere. Unless they're professionally trained, they're going to be fumbling a lot.

Unless it's someone like Lee Harvey Oswald, in which case you're fucked regardless of the gun they use.

technically you can own a tank.

Not sure if you can load it legally... but you don't need to.

I said this in the western European gun rights thread yesterday.

"Better to be armed with a pigeon killer in the UK than unarmed anywhere else"

But it's not ideal advice. For example, the .22 calibre shot is not ideal for a self defence situation. Polish user did a good job of explaining this last night.

You can own a tank anywhere as far as I'm aware.

>self-defence
LOL what are you crazy just call the police

ughh friggen nazis just want to kill people

If you have a class 3 you could load it and even fire it but most people just buy them and get the weapons deactivated on board by getting the firing pins and shit removed.

nope, hand guns are baned for the same reason (they are easy to hide), also in the rest of europe i think they are baned, even by EU laws.

Joining Defence League (militia organization) allows you to held home full-auto military assault weapons and handguns.

>.22 revolver
Oh baby

THIS

i cant believe this thing isnt more popular.

Also if you cant legally use a modern mil caliber there are other calibers they dont use which are pretty effective, like 6.5 Grendel or 5.45x39mm.

no all millitary.

Basically before you can sell a gun here it has to go to the Ministry of National Defence which decides if the gun is "legal" to sell or not.

And there you have retards who decide on a whim. Eg. normal AR-15 is illigal, with some modifications its legal. But a run of the mill saiga-12 is legal.

When it comes to gun laws forget common sense.

Just recently they allowed again that police officers can get carry licences with minimal effort again, but only for up to and including 9mm.

shotguns are nice for self defence but I wouldn't want to use one in an offensive action and I live in dense eastern american woodlands where the shotgun excels. number 4 buckshot is ruthless out of a improved choke and you can fill the brush with lead quite quickly. its a pain in the ass to reload and I find it is best to just get a big ass Molle vest and attach some of those BW fleck pouches to it and then fill them with shells and boxes of shells instead of getting the super expensive shell carriers

non automatic AK.

Handguns are legal in France and Northern Ireland. What about black powder weapons? Can you own those?

Gunfights are never ideal. The single goal of a gunfight is to be the one left breathing. It makes no difference what you use to get the job done.

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here its actually sold out constantly and have to wait 4-6 months, because you can own it without a gun licence.

Because there are a thousand other AR-15 variants that are legal, and arguably more efficient in the UK. The HK416 to start with. Very popular in the UK atm.

Sugoi

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Not just UK rather. Western Europe.

>no minimum lenght for B category firearms
Are you sure? IIRC there was something about barrell lenght. There was for certain on C cat weapons

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Good thing bombs are banned for the same reason (easy to hide) and they never get used in murders.

I just want a second American Revolution :(

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good luck getting decent drums for that for less than $100 each

deserves some (you)s

In UK can shotguns be semi auto or you have to pull the bolt back manually?

>Overall, if someone is limited to 5 or 10 rounds, vs. a 60 round drum mag, I think their killing power will be noticeably reduced. In addition to the reloading, they have to actually carry that many more mags and stow them somewhere. Unless they're professionally trained, they're going to be fumbling a lot.

Criminals don't give a shit about laws, they just own "high cap maps" illegally.

No minimal length for barrels. As of TODAY, you can legally own a 7.5" AR no problem.

>In the UK you require either a Shotgun certificate (section 1 & 2)

Does this cost money? How hard is it to obtain?

Pic related, as long as the flash hider is taken off and the screwthing is ground/sawn off.

Could go even higher, there is no actual limit in caliber in Romanian law as long as the above operation is done (law just states "no guns over 10 kJ muzzle kinetic energy that have devices at the end to reduce recoil"), so TECHNICALLY a solid shot shooting 120mm gun is completely legal, as long as it's not mounted.

The only issue is that police would probably call BS. Not going to stop me from trying one day, though.

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No, they can be bolt action or semi auto with a Shotgun certificate. I was shooting a Beneli m4 at the range this morning lel.

Can you own suppressors in France?

Quite a glorious collection you have there, mon amie

All you need on one shelf.

Did they change it recently? Or is it just for B category? Because I'm pretty sure there are limitations on C category guns

There is a technique called the New York City Reload.

You pull out a second gun and keep firing, if you get caught off guard while reloading the first one.

Depends on the kind of ammunition. If its a custom load then you're fine since if it was explosive that would be another tax stamp for each round (thats what sucks about 40mm grenades)

Also in order to not be classified as an armor piercing round it'd have to be made out of Zinc pretty much, but thats pretty easy to CNC or Lathe... thats how they make projectiles for rifled black powder cannons.

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Head

> come on matey
> its like you're not even james bond

but it's still manual action right?

Handguns are legal in Estonia, Czhech Republic for self defense, concealed carry allowed. You need license (clean papers, not mentally ill, test for shooting and laws)

YES. Very easy to obtain no questions asked for cat C, small form for cat B.

Here's more.

Just "B" but no one knows about upcoming EU GUN BAN. Stay vigilant.

an american in saying this, must be a joke