I'm looking for someone to give me one argument against UBI in a world where even programming jobs are on the verge of...

I'm looking for someone to give me one argument against UBI in a world where even programming jobs are on the verge of being replaced by machines.
Just One.

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try it in israel and let us know how it went

It already works in Israel dummy.
All the ultraorthodox receive UBI

Because niggers will get UBI + foodstamps.

>inb4 people will be lazy when they can do whatever they want meme

So where does the money come from? USA?

Correct!

Can Israel supply me with UBI so I can buy more ammo?

Governments will begin to enforce particular obligations on their citizens because they have us by the balls. Essentially, it will become slavery. We won't be able to say no to anything because the government could cut our life support at any time.

If you don't think this is a good argument then you're already a cuck.

First, so? There are 12 million jews in usa, literally double than that of Israel.

Secondly- its 2.5% of our GDP you think it matters at all?

>Governments will begin to enforce particular obligations on their citizens
Wow what a nightmare

As long as the US keeps subsidising you.

fucking parasite kike

You have effectively used people as slaves and it doesn't matter? LMAO WTF world are you from?

Hyperinflation like the Weimar Republic.

You remember what happened after that, right Chaim?

His books all tell him that the goyim are created as slaves. Are you actually surprised that he's acting like he believes it?

>Off by one

No, I just needed some sort of confirmation. I've finally got it btw.

That's the x leads to y logical casuality fallacy.

Simply put, you will break away from any such dependency by simply getting a white collar job from the plethora of such jobs available.

Educate yourself Sup Forums

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What is Property? An Inquiry into the Principle of Right and of Government - P.J. Proudhon

It's literally a 1 in 10 chance. Not really amazing desu

Yeah, but I was aiming for 88.

Oh. My apologies then

>example of a pre- infornmation age

Discarded

I've never seen autism levels this high.

To save money they will make claiming UBI as painful as possible. When there really aren't enough jobs around, then what? Many people are going to have to be slaves to the government and will be forced to do whatever they are told.

One thing really does lead to the other. Stop being a myopic fucking retard.

The whole point of UBI is that you don't have to "claim" anything, it's given UNIVERSALLY to everyone at a certain age like 18.

>Wow what a nightmare
Yes, I must be exaggerating how hellish it would be to break rocks in the freezing cold for 12 hours a day until dying of exhaustion. Surely a government would never do something like that to its people.

That's how it starts but it'll never stay that way for long. It's too profitable for politicians to abandon principles and whore themselves out.

Have you ever tried to claim benefits in the UK? It's pretty fucking tough and you barely get anything in return.

ok so if everyone get UBI, wont just shops put the price on everything up the same amount . aka inflation

an apple is 5$+ UBI

>foodstamps
this isn't how UBI works. maybe you should read up on it before being exposed as an illiterate nigger

So they get UBI only? Won't need a supplemental income? Keep dreaming retard.

Supplemental income would be a job.

Then you abandon politicians. You speak as if they were gods who must be obeyed or something, as if your cuckery were obligatory for everyone.
>flag
Checks out

the problem is that they will heavily tax your labor by 50% plus to finance UBI, with UBI being the guideline for all price making, the outcome wil be slavery

What is SNAP?

Consider how that changes the dynamics of the labor market. Bosses can't act like entitled assholes anymore because the employee has more financial space to use the take-this-job-and-shove-it option without risking ruin.
>thinks playing the Wall Street ponies is labor

Studies conducted showed that financing UBI in the US would require no more than 39% income tax. UBI is also payed for by the scrapping of all other forms of welfare plus all tax made from purchases made using UBI money.

How is the current system any diffent from what you just described?

UBI is completely affordable and makes no sense and is retarded because youre sending welfare to rich people and billionaires and people who dont need it and wasting money

we need negative income tax (NIT) which gives money to the poor only who actually need it

theres no added bureaucracy because its based on your income which you have to file in taxes anyways and if you make more than a certain amount of money you just dont receive a negative income tax back

if you send money to everyone the rich will stay rich and it will never trickle down because even the rich get their welfare checks in equal amounts therefore you never really improve society

Not if you kill all the liberals. They are the ones who fetishize gatekeeping and curve grading of morality.

It doesn't matter if it's being sent to the rich anyway, they still pay the tax on it so it gets funded mate.

M'murican preaching on slavery.

Good read.

>a world where even programming jobs are on the verge of being replaced by machines

Not such thing, even if we reach that point for digital programming, there's still a whole new frontier to be discovered with Quantum Computing, it will probably be too late for humans to embrace the commie utopia by the time that we reach the S I N G U L A R I T Y.

There will be plenty new jobs for smart people, on the bright side, dumb people may have access to bionic enhancements or some kind of smart pill, at a relatively affordable price. Things may improve in general, but some will have it way better than the commoners whose jobs have been replaced by dumb machines.

because that's unironically serfdom

Join the rest of the civilized world and denounce it. Otherwise you're literally a nigger.

you didn't think this through. the first step will be to invent another currency, call it foodstamps, even that won't help all the money will leave the country in no time, to Israel

What the fuck are you even talking about?

>there will always be work to do
How Keynesian of you.
Also, you need to get your mouth off of Pinochet's dick as if that were going to save you from free helicopter rides.

Denounce what?

Numbers are not gold. Repeat after me my nationalist friends:
*YOUR* MONEY'S NO GOOD HERE

Slavery.

it does matter you fucking retard when the whole middle class is receiving welfare checks when they arent supposed to be

welfare is for the poor

your system is completely unafforadable

middle class are supposed to be PAYING into the welfare system

not taking out

Nobody endorses it.

Then you shouldn't have any problem denouncing it.

>middle class are supposed to be PAYING into the welfare system
>supposed to
I prefer to think of them as profit sharing.

That would kinda defeat it being a BI. But I seriously doubt that a UBI would stay U for long. C's would start creeping into it, especially if it was distributed via some electronic card. You'd find that the card only worked in some places and not others. Or you'd get incentives to use it here and disincentives to use it there. And you better believe they'd track and analyze everything and I mean everything you buy.

Eventually they'd make it so annoying to use the UBI for anything but the most basic purchases, most likely nothing more than buying food and paying for rent.

Cut-off points for welfare results in people not wanting to increase their income because they'll lose their money you melon headed FUCK

The Singularity must be prevented by any means possible.

well have fun completely decimating your rich when the middle class can barely pay for their own UBI and basically receiving their own money back

nice logical welfare system

no. how about you just do NIT and give money to the poor only...

which makes sense and is actually affordable

>argument against UBI
There is no argument against it. It will happen. The question is how quickly the culling will begin once the plebeians serve no purpose.

Nah, I'll step over your entire unborn family to make sure we achieve it.

If they can barely pay for their own UBI they aren't fucking middle class are they? and if they receive their own money back then it's neither a net positive or a net negative you bungus headed coconut eating CUNT

You should not soak the poor with other people's money. It's unfair and unproductive. Instead of UBI, basic necessities should be paid for by a consumption tax, not exceeding 20%. Allow the free market to do its thing, but always provide a safety net access to basic needs.

>decimating the rich
>10% fewer rich assholes to make us do stupid human tricks
Spotted the ALEC shill

Free food for illegal beaners

>It will happen

ya sending welfare checks to billionaires

mr mark zuckerburg wakes up and finds his ubi in the mail box

even though that could have went to a poor person

its a stupid system dude

the rich are going to be paying for the middle class welfare???????????

who dont need it because their lives are fine

the whole point is to help those afflicted by the modern jobs crises AKA THE PEOPLE WITHOUT JOBS

THATS why everyone is supposed to pay into the tax system who isnt poor

your SYSTEM MAKES NO SENSE!!!!

send welfare checks to billionaires and millionaires and just tax them more to cover it!!

how about we keep the taxes as low as possible and not waste money?

Have you ever learned anything about history ever?
The more power they gain, the more they will take. Hegelian Dialectic.

but if it's impossible to die from being a worthless subhuman then how will we evolve?

HURRRRR i said dont decimate the rich because we need them in order to keep taxing them to give to the poor and you wont cause them to dissapear

This guy supports UBI which is completely unafforadable and will ruin the country but NIT is actually possible

Yeah no, the global elite already foresee a giant crisis or are already planning one that'll wipeout the majority of the population, it'll be their version of a holy cleansing, a noahs ark of sorts, and then rebuild the world with the help of sentient A.I.

>even though that could have went to a poor person
Drpo in the bucket. Let him receive it so he can feel invested in it, and so marketcucks won't attack it on the basis of poor people are gross mommy.
There's plenty more where that came from, if poor people are legitimately consuming and maintaining rather than stealing and degrading.

You can sit and wait for gibs, try not starve in the process, provided that you are not being fed by someone else already.

The fact that you bring Pinoshit to the debate proves that your argument is weak, will there ever be such a thing like Godwin's Law for El General?

Cuck.

see what i mean you actually support welfare for the rich

UBI is a cuck system

>so he can feel invested in it,

i dont care what people "feel" like were talking about a trillion dollar system here

you dont just waste it on stuff that isnt necessary when were trying to help people who lost their jobs

No we don't. Your first hurrdurr is in believing that money is a store of value. Only with great difficulty and massive violence is that a function of money. Your second hurrdurr is in believing that money can be created by private banks ex nihilo but for government to do the same is immoral. Your third hurrdurr is in believing that money is even yours to own in the first place, rather than the government's.
>This guy supports UBI which is completely unafforadable and will ruin the country but NIT is actually possible
Shut the fuck up Tom Friedman. No Jews allowed in this thread.

Now I get it, it's been you this whole time who has been pushing this jewniversal basicbitch israelicum bullshit, zuckerkike. Fully fuck off, you fag. You don't deserve to be given any arguments so you can work on jewing your way around them, literally fuck off you fucking kike faggot nigger die die die die die die die die die commie scum die

I support welfare for everyone. You seem to be very attached to this whole notion of dividing and conquering the people against each other. That's what liberal cucks do.

>claims we aren't entitled to our own money and it's defacto the governments
>calls him the jew
wew lad

ok send mr mark zuckerberg his welfare check and tell me youre not a retard

>welfare for everyone.

well if you werent a retard you would see that welfare for everyone is actually a sin against the poor

because youre devaluing their money

if they could get $20,000 with NIT instead of $5000 every year with UBI then youre actually diong a disservice to the people who you were trying to help

UBI will be WAY less money because you have to pay for UBI for everyone

>fuck reading: the post
if there were only a place to look this info up

>I support welfare for everyone.
what.. do... you.. think .. a ... liberal... is?

You must be new here

It is the government's. You didn't earn it. You merely took it from someone else who allowed you to have it. You aren't in preschool anymore laddy.
I'll send him my part of it, which is less than a penny.
>well if you werent a retard you would see that welfare for everyone is actually a sin against the poor
>doesn't understand how to divide
>or is pretending not to understand how to divide because bantz

You have no argument you cock sucker.

>futurism link
>ifuckinglovescience pseudo bullshit
pick two

poor people get $20,000 who really need it in society and were left without a job ( the NIT)

UBI millionaires and billionaires receive $5000 a year an it barely helps the poor at all and they cant live off it

pick one.
>less than a penny

its not less than a penny when youre sending welfare to EVERY PERSON IN THE COUNTRY

>doesn't understand how to divide

YOU DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT A WELFARE SYSTEM IS FOR

ITS TO HELP PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY NEED IT

All humans die.

Everything dies.

All things die.

>You merely took it from someone else who allowed you to have it.
like, in a transaction, where I sold something?
If that's not the definition of earning wtf is?

Watch this: youtube.com/watch?v=oDkHLPanjkQ

>first, so?
It's an inherently flawed system that can only survive when propped up by an external money supply to leach off of.

Rather than wasting resources on supporting parasitic leeches, it's better to spend less and improve the world by gassing would be ubi recipients instead.

The NIT is where only a poor person who was left without a job because the modern job crises receives $20,000 a comfortable living because they were in need.

The UBI is where millionaires and billionaires receive $5000 in their mailbox and the poor cant afford shit because its ""universal"" and had to pay for everyone rather than targeting the people who were screwed over by the automated economy.

Nice welfare system UBI cucks.
You didnt think it through too much.

I said MY PART of it. You're intentionally being dense.
Why do you need this to be a welfare system? Your need to pretend that you're muh self-made like Horatio Alger's pedo stories is to be mocked cruelly and viciously.
UBI is a profit-sharing system and a human capital maintenance system.

not me, i never die, for i am the singular individual that is Sup Forums, the last son of the west

Ideally, resources should go to those who can produce, with perhaps a community system to help local people who have had severe disasters.
If you are poor, you don't get to have kids you can't afford, as other members of society with self-control do not owe welfare to people who don't have time or money to properly raise children.
Gradually this phases out the stupid and lazy people, instead of draining resources that the people with jobs are paying into the system.
Perhaps you have fewer people in the society, but each should be a contributing member. Unfortunately, the establish government would never go for this, as it ends dependence on them.
youtube.com/watch?v=QGg0tMszsXQ

An entire society of NEETS what could possibly go wrong?

actually youre fucking retarded the whole point anyone brings up UBI is to help those disaffected by the modern job crises

and logically you would help only those who are suffering the consequences of it and not people who are at the top and still profiting

its not a "profit sharing" system

thats not why people talk about UBI

eah inflation is inevitable and its #1 argument against UBI

then gov will have to regulate prices, it will be ugly socialism again like USSR where industry was strong but level of life was shit cause every one would get shitty minimum wage regardless of their performance

Using the government to seize private property from one individual to then give to another individual is theft and theft is wrong.

This is not to say all taxation is theft. The classical liberals understood government to be instituted for a specific purpose of securing the natural rights of life, liberty and property. Government was to be abolished when it became destructive of these ends. English Common Law had a long history of preventing government from re-distributive practices. Any taxation done by government must be taxation that furthers the purpose of government. Government does not have a carte blanche to tax however they please.

>muh retarted
Shut the fuck up, burger. UBI is to help those disaffected by the job market. The way to do that in such a way that rich assholes won't whine is to give that money out to everyone. On net, the rich would be paying more in taxes than they would receive. On net, the poor would receive more than they would be paying in taxes.
>and logically you would help only those who are suffering the consequences of it and not people who are at the top and still profiting
Why, so that you have a use for your MSW degree to sit and judge people? Drink bleach, burger, and learn to think more than half a move ahead.

UBI is dead in the water, and forever will be. A universal job is the only compromise that has any chance of getting put into action.