Sup Forums, what will be the new counter culture?

Liberals are getting to be really played out,
Trump type conservatives are becoming the new mainstream,
what is the new counter culture to Trumpism?

Here's my theory:
Liberals fucked up. Their timing and message were ill planned, and their propaganda campaign is pushing people away more than it is helping. I'm labeling neo-cons in with the liberals because they're literally liberal controlled opposition. Their movement will be crippled/done in 2 years.
Right Wing Trumpist are gaining control and ending Liberal structures of power. They'll be in full effect by 2020. The problem is that Trump won based on the hope of the people who elected him. He cannot hope to save the world as it is. Beyond the obvious, the western world relied too much on Keynesian economics, and it is coming to a head within the next 10 years. It's a economic inevitability.
So what is the new counter culture? What is the next state of resistance and the new populist movement?

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libertarians who want to destroy the 2 party system

This, 1776 will commence. We're done with memes.

National socialism.

National Socialism
>socialism
We're going to hang you, throw you out of a helicopter, and exile your family all at the same time.

The funny thing is , we are going to war with our own people because the powers that be want us divided.

Good is splintered while evil is under one vale.

" Through Emerald Eyes I See 1776 "

National socialism is not Marxist socialism.

but is still socialism, which breeds inequality.
Liberty, Law, and Justice must reign over populism.

Man kind must strive to achieve great heights, I think under Natsoc it can be achieved however freedom, justice and the American way is always nice haha.

>I think under Natsoc it can be achieved
And what is your evidence for such a claim?
I'm guessing Germany's NatSoc government is implied, but there are important details about this that are not being discussed.
The largest being the overall unsustainability. Hitler had to raid other nations to continue his government. While everyone was at work, it wasn't enough to even break even in an isolated system.

Americans are the worst posters on Sup Forums

Take your jewish capitalism and fuck off, Sup Forums is a fascist board.

Look at everything in Germany from unemployment rates to their GDP etc from the Weimar Republic to the fall of Nazi Germany, you might find the stats show that it definely improved the country however going to war is not really something I could get behind unless there was a very strong reason like self defence.
I'm only researching into natsoc at the moment out of curiosity and my personal views are currently nationalist but you never know what system can truly work it always depends on countless things.

>socialism breeds inequality
i'm interested to know what you fancy "socialism" to mean

>hasn't lurked long enough
lurk moar. It's never been a fascist board. That was a meme that came during Obama.
I'm only researching into natsoc at the moment out of curiosity and my personal views are currently nationalist but you never know what system can truly work it always depends on countless things.
I advocated for it until I started looking into the details. It would seem that it's a great ideology like AnCap, Socialism, and Anarchism are touted to be, but the reality of the situations are much more grim. Socialist programs are extraordinarily expensive, and not as fruitful as they may appear. Free Markets should always be the better solution. It allows for error, and is self correcting.
the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole, as it has always been defined.
The problems lie within the inherent ideology of socialism.

judging by the increase in votes they received in the US election I'd have to agree with and say that small government libtertarianism will be the next counter-culture. Especially as the DNC devolves into being the establishment party or the celebrity party with the rock and the zucc. More people will stop voting for the DNC and be inclined to vote greens/libertarian instead as the democrats will be a wasted vote. On the other hand, as trump reveals himself to be more and more of an establishment candidate rather than a populist, and the GOPs base devolves due to it's lack of trump and it going back to a neo-con party, more right-wingers might also be inclined to vote the libertarian party as there won't be a party that serves the interests of the paleo-cons or the evangelo-cons anymore.

Interesting, I guess my biggest problem with the free market is just the big banks, they are practically all owned by the rothchilds and everyone is brought and owned by someone with lots of money as is the way of Washington and anywhere else to be honest, corruption is the biggest problem and until we get a system that weeds out the corrupt we aren't going to have to live with it haha.

I understand the argument, but does it included opposition votes? A massive amount of votes this round were in opposition to Clinton/Trump rather than for their candidate. What's to stop these people from repeating this current voting pattern?

The best you could hope for is mostly for a third party movement to actually gain relevance to finally break up the two party system now.

>Interesting, I guess my biggest problem with the free market is just the big banks
Which can't exist with free market principals. Banks are inherently crony capitalist because they all depend on interest rates set by the central bank.
In a truly free market, you wouldn't have banks in their current form.
The threat of a bank run, or the lack of a central bank setting interest rates for these banks to obtain loans wouldn't allow them to exist.
Banks in free markets would be much more lean and much less profitable.

I'm not saying that wouldn't happen, I'm asking what the next counter culture would be?
The punk rock movement has people who were anarchistic and refused to vote. Can't have a third party of vote boycotters.

national "socialism" has nothing to do with what left-wing socialism is. National socialists have no problem with private property, gun-ownership, self-determination or trade. It was just an excuse to keep a government officer in the factories to make sure they were not being subverted, or abusing the law and becoming uber-kikes like, say, monsanto, does today. If you start studying hitler's economic plan, remember to make a distinction between the actual economy and the later wartime emergency economic plan.

I feel that it'll come out of left field (not literally) and be of a nationalist authoritarian flavor, but not Nazi.
That's what a lot of people were secretly hoping out of Trump: a leader who said fuck the old system, it's dead.
Some kind of Caesar of sorts.

Nice gains pepe

after 4-8 years of trump i don't think anyone in the US is going to want to vote for another celebrity like the rock and the zucc is absolute scum that has 0 chance of winning unless the youth turnout in droves. Unless both parties get some fresh new faces after trump i predict they'll both take a loss and you'll end up with a 3-4 party system over time. it's totally possible another obama type character will arise or the DNC will run chelsea clinton or something and go for another #imwithher platform but I think that the trust in the two party system has been on the decline world wide for years and even with a hillary or obama v2 both parties will continue losing their core base. the US elections are a kind of driving force for these kinds of movements so I imagine a few other countries might follow suit if it happens. most people already see the two party system as being inferior to a system like Frances anyway. it's unlikely a government would implement a system themselves, but it can be emulated through people thinking if they vote for a major party it's just as much of a waste as voting third party so they might as well vote for a party aligned with their interests which would tend to be the greens if they're ultra-left and libertarians if they're centre-left or centre-right

This, end central banking for the free market.

>national "socialism" has nothing to do with what left-wing socialism is.
Because Hitler kept moving the goal post.
Research his positions pre and post 1936.
If NatSoc was so good, he wouldn't have changed it. I'm not saying NatSoc wouldn't work, but it hasn't been well established as an ideology either.
The only thing I'm convinced of, because of Hitler and Trump, is that public confidence is extremely powerful.

thinking for yourself

I love your optimism.

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nationalism will die with trump and with the hatred for nazi's on the left at the moment i don't see an actual authoritarian movement arising. social-justice is already dying which indicates that the pendulum is swinging back again, and the SJW's were the only ones who would want an authoritarian regime

end central banking and end up like gaddafi, you mean

is this rump type conservatives ?

or is this something completely different

they call themselfs conservatives to, i know it might be very hard for some of you morons to comprehend

It doesn't seem so, Trump is already backtracking on a lot of statement he made during the campaign.
Then again, there won't be real nationalism until we actually invade other nations. The Americans waving little flags and using all the patriotic are so comical to me. What are they celebrating about here? Woo, we didn't collapse on ourselves? The British have a reason.
It may take a little time, but it seems that the next movement will be a legitimately "revolutionary" one. Some charismatic dude, who actually means the shit he says, will rise up. A strongman who has a history of violence, not unlike Putin. He'll choose to not play the election game all the networks set up, and turn America into a legitimate empire.

>after 4-8 years of trump i don't think anyone in the US is going to want to vote for another celebrity
It's too early to tell. We're not even halfway through the first year and Trump is still dealing with DNC operatives and layovers from the previous administration. It's what all the real news about Donald has been about for the last few days.
>you'll end up with a 3-4 party system over time
I doubt this would happen. We've had a two party system, naturally, for the last couple of hundred years.
I think you're thinking the US would become more European in our politics, which would never happen. We have far too much rural land and a tradition for disdain of government and government employees outside the military.

I think there's a flaw in your premise.
>Trump type conservatives are becoming the new mainstream
Right there. I don't think we're there yet.
The left still controls the culture.
The media, fine arts, academia, hollywood, etc.
Trump type conservatives are gaining ground, sure, but there's a lot of work left to be done if they ever want to be the mainstream.

>becoming

Hahahhahha
What a retard larping faggot

National socialism will be

>Italy
okay buddy.

I still don't even know if that's true. Trump conservatives aren't breaking into any of those areas I've listed. Conservatives generally never do. At best they're currently only becoming more acceptable.

Go back sucking jew dick lolberg idiot

>Some charismatic dude, who actually means the shit he says, will rise up
eh, trump or bernie are the only two people you're gonna get like that for a while now and look how they both turned out.
>and turn America into a legitimate empire.
the days of real empires are over, having the pretense of being an empire if you do everything israel says is all USA or anyone is going to get now. plus the days of colonialism are long gone, the next country that has the possibility of becoming an economic empire is china but even thats pretty unlikely.
you might be right that people will want another celebrity because trumps pretty entertaining.
>I think you're thinking the US would become more European in our politics, which would never happen.
naa i just think that america realises that their current system as it is, is unsustainable and completely corrupt. the collapse edges closer and closer and someone with an actual solution won't be able to rise up through that system or if they do they'll get bogged down by the bureaucracy like trump. thats why i see libertarians becoming a viable option, third parties have won states before and as more states vote them in it'll work like a domino effect so to speak. it won't happen overnight but just because a system has been around for hundreds of years doesn't mean it will never change, quite the opposite in fact.

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>facism coming to power in italy again
yeah that's definitely going to happen

I think it's much more than just "more" acceptable,
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I thought the counter to "trumpism" was the muh russia bullshit that everyone with a brain cell knows is wrong?

they don't have a plan B cause they are occultists and it was "supposed to work".

counter cultre will be

to set up concentration camps

for feltofascists.

on the seekends, dads will go hunting leftofascists with their sons.

america will becoma a free land again, freedom, liberty, prospertiy

once the leftofascists will be erradicated.

I would call tru prism ....wait for it.....libertarian nationalism

A return to individualism and dyi. This is and has been always the punk movement

4 chan punk as fuck

The central bank fucked over Gadaffi because its control over money.

Yeah im sure Zimbabwean type NatSoc inflation is the way to go.

exactely, anyone who tries to bring in a gold backed currency to oppose the current system will get (((revolutioned)))

i see some sort of alliance between moderate left and right forming. centrist cooperatism

>plus the days of colonialism are long gone
This is where I think it'll catch people out of nowhere. Colonialism is gone because the US didn't want it. The British willingly gave up their colonies at the demands of the US in order to get our support during WWII.
Trump and Bernie were popular, but because they were strong voices within the current framework. What has come to light is that neither of them were ideologues, and they gave up core political positions for temporary gains.
Bernie gave in to Hillary because he was told to.
Trump did a 180 on Syria because he felt like impressing the Chinese president.

China, interestingly, doesn't culturally care about conquering anywhere outside of the east. They're a people who keep to themselves. I think they have a legit change at being a massive economic power, but it won't matter because they won't care to expand too much.

The way I see it, we still haven't had a populist who firmly believes in his ideology. It has to be HIS ideology too, not just piggy-backing off of some temporary popular movement.

>Colonialism is gone because the US didn't want it.
i mean you're kind of right. thing is though that with or without the US we're past that point in humanity. we're too globalised these days to turn around and go back to colonialism. Our countries are too restrained by the UN and our economies are too inter-linked through trade deals for anyone to decide they want to play empire, plus it isn't just the US that has nukes these days. if the US stops policing, other alliances will strengthen for those who don't have strong ties to the US like canada, uk, aus etc. we're already seeing that come back in a way with alliances like Philippines and russia. the US is staving off ww3 but not a return to colonialism, humanity doesn't tend to regress like that on a global scale.
>China, interestingly, doesn't culturally care about conquering anywhere outside of the east....
naa they don't have enough land or resources to keep their economy in tact so they constantly have to expand. thats why they've taken over oceania economically as well as hollywood. their only option is to expand economically until they crash.
>we still haven't had a populist who firmly believes in his ideology. it has to be HIS ideology too, ...
how many more political ideologies are there to think up though? it's like philosophy, great philosophers think up all possible philosophies then flesh out the one they like the most.

Oh look it's another, "I see the word socialism and give a knee jerk reaction because I don't actually understand what National Socialism is or the fact that it's a philosophy which can be incorporated into multiple different types of governments or economic policies because National Socialism isn't actually an economic policy." I'm getting so fucking sick and tired of you retarded lolbertarians not understanding this.

>inb4 it's still socialism

No, you fucking dimwit I just told you it's a philosophy and not an economic policy.

Nice gains, Pepe!