Neocons and moderates: Share your views

Almost everyone here is either a Trump-style republican, a right-wing libertarian, or something further to the right.

I just wanna see why the neocons/cuckservatives believe what they believe

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they are too busy getting paid for Sup Forums.

seriously tho, there are some cucks on here who like ben shapiro and the various other tranny-right "islam is HOMOPHOBIC and NOT FEMINIST" type judeo-conservatives.

As for me, this is the future I want

Perhaps some more specific questions would get you more driven answers but I would say mostly socialism vs. capitalism.

Why do you guys hate Russia so much? I'm not as pro Russia as most in this board, but I think we can gain a lot by working with them

CNN told them Putin is a monster.

Neocons and cuckservatives actually live productive lifes, so you'll have a hard time finding them here.

Because it's possible to believe in two genders, free speech, and challenging Islam without also wanting right-wing death squads.

Also, suggesting that western nations should withdraw from their global commitments is stupid and would plunge the world into chaos, inevitably dragging us all back in.

Lastly, there is no problem with most immigration. Muslims are a rare case who are growing more resistant to assimilation over time. Most other immigrant groups (and possibly even Muslims tool) will be fine in 2 or 3 generations.

Of course this doesn't matter to the salt-right, who think immigrants cause MUH WHITE GENOCIDE regardless if they're assimilated or not. Meanwhile they have no answer to the western birthrate crisis and weirdly supported Nigel Farage, who opposed immigration from Poland, one of the whitest and most culturally "western" countries out there. But hey, no-one said the salt-right were smart.

>Lastly, there is no problem with most immigration. Muslims are a rare case who are growing more resistant to assimilation over time. Most other immigrant groups (and possibly even Muslims tool) will be fine in 2 or 3 generations.
Reality says otherwise.
And if you were a bit smarter you'd be aware that Farage isn't the chosen candidate. Like Trump he was the best of a bad hand.

It may be possible across the pond but the left in the U.S. has created a new breed of stupid.

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>Most Muslims will be fine in a generation or two

Yeah, except for them demanding Sharia law and all.... They'll just go away.

The right shouldnt hate Russia. The intelligence community is having a dick measuring contest with them. The left wants us to hate Russia because they are largely nationalist and don't need us. For a cuck it is somewhat equivalent to his lady getting emotional support elsewhere to boot.

t. cuckservative or literal nonwhite

>and possibly even Muslims tool) will be fine in 2 or 3 generations
Actually I'll add to this.
It's the straight opposite. Muslims get even worse after a generation or two, as do most immigrants but especially muslims.
Manchester was a born Brit.

Good thing you defend free speech too. Because not only can they invade your nation they can also brag and encourage the murder of your people.
What a great guy you are.

Possibly. Like I said, they're an exceptional case.

Right = Intelligent
Left = Retarded

I thought I'd mention that ever since Trump took office, wages have been going up. It may actually be possible for white westerners in the middle class to have stable families again. That's my fucking answer, you pretentious fucking cuckold.

Sikhs? Hindus? Chinese? Vietnamese? Japanese? Cuban? Argentinian? Brazillian? Puerto Rican? German? Italian? Irish? Polish?

Like I said, there is no problem with MOST immigration.

>Stealing valor from the great William F. Buckley, by conflating him with the modern cucked iteration of the magazine he founded
>Using this sleight of hand to delude others into thinking your rank cowardice is secondary to your "superior intellect"

For old boomers it's Cold War nostalgia.

For liberals it's the fact that Russians don't like gays.

For neocons it's the incessant need to bomb every country that doesn't kowtow to American foreign policy.

It's not about pro or against, the matter is that propaganda used to talk about Russia is pretty much completely false.
The left american wing, neocons, and part of the army want an open conflict with Russia, even if it escalate with a war.
This board doesn't want that.

There is nothing British about London anymore. And for what purpose? So your financial sector can get better quarterly profit margins. So you can tell yourselves it's going to work out in the end, and that it will prop up NHS and your various other gibs.

Western countries are like Essau. Trading everything they have and everything that matters for a fraction of bullshit they never needed. It's fucking pathetic. Maybe we deserve death.

You think wages and birthrates are connected? Prove it, faggot.

As the standard of living has gone up, birthrates have gone down. Poorer families actually tend to have more kids these days. This might change in the future, but it's pretty clear from the historical data that wages and fertility are not connected.

I'm not necessarily a neocon a la global markets and an hard on for cheap mestizo labor but I find myself agreeing with their war fetish more and more lately.

I see NK, why should we let NK develop a weapon to bludgeon us over the head with every time they have a demand? We should invade now and tell the chinks to fuck off.

I see the Saudis and other shithole countries make demands of us while staying complicit with or often times aiding their people in committing acts of terror against our people. Why shouldn't we annex the Saudis and every last country led by a babydick coon terrorism-funder who even dares to question the petrodollar?

Who will stop us? The chinks will bitch and there will be an effete ethics committee formed in the EU that would bitch about us presence in the ME, but who gives a fuck what numale Europoor philosphers and bureaucrats think?

I thought when Trump said "we should've taken their oil," that is was an indicator of his beliefs, but he's now bowing down to every oil baron and kike financier across the globe.

If it was me in the driver's seat I'd put Mattis at the head of a committee of military experts and war gods and tell him to ruthlessly punish anyone who wants to participate in a dick measuring contest with the U.S. Fuck reconstructionism too, we should just take their shit and leave them be.

Also I'm loaded on anabolic steroids top kek. DOMINATE ALL THE LESSER PEOPLE.

I believe the free market can do things better than the government but it is up to the government to set rules to make sure the market works, but after the rules are set we should be letting the market work on its own.

I think the rich should pay more in taxes and I think it should simply be done by eliminating the distinction between capital gains and ordinary income. Our tax system has favor income earned by capital over that earned by labor for two long, this is an obvious way the rich have set the government in their favor.

Socially, I don't give a fuck, this is why we have a democracy. Social policy should be set by legislatures responding to the will of the people. I personally think gay marriage and abortions should be legal but I vehemently disagree with the supreme court decisions that legalized them. The constitution is silent on these issues (and many other's the court has weighed in on) and as such should be left to our elected representatives.

Finally, I want the board closed. I'm a civic nationalist. America is great because of it's ideas, too radical of a shit in those ideas brought about by too quick an influx darkies will surely tear us apart.

What kind of conservative am I pol?

a cuck of the worst order

Buckley wouldn't have tolerated you dweebs for a moment. Heard of the John Birch society?

Also, yes, it's "cowardly" to oppose (extremely popular) attacks on immigrants, the vast majority of whom are peaceful, law-abiding citizens trying to make their lives better, all because of some misguided belief that it'll "save the white race."

If you don't solve the birthrate problem, nothing will save the white race. And if you do, then immigrants aren't a problem anyway. You're all basically retards.

London has been a multicultural melting pot since at least the 1700s. So have most major ports and trading cities.

Instead of attacking liberals in the cities for doing what they've always done, why don't you come up with a positive solution to your actual problem which is a) fertility and b) reinvigorating the national culture. Both problems can be solved without mass deportations and death squads, but don't let me interrupt your 1930s LARPing.

>the whites, the orientals, and the top of Indian society aren't murdering people in the streets in droves
>therefore I'm happy to be a minority in my own country
Fuck my people and nation, as long as my pension get's paid? It's not like I have children I care about.
>boomers
>neocons
You don't need to repeat the same thing twice.
Immigrants are the only problem you utter moron.
A few less people on one of the most crowded land mass in the world isn't the problem.
The problem is greedy human garbage like you that want to destroy a country over a pretend problem.

The reason why most (white) people in my generation aren't having children is because they can't afford it. Low wage illegal workers were cockblocking our trade unions, or outright infiltrating them. H1b workers were disrupting the social stability of our STEM sectors: youtube.com/watch?v=CDMe4jKXT68

Wages for some jobs are almost double this year, unemployment is going down because of Drumpf, it really is unprecedented. Also, I'd say at least for our generation, our standard of living has gone down, in almost every capacity. People simply can't afford it without debt slavery. Meanwhile, western governments are subsidizing minority communities that historically refuse to practice any foresight, on an individual or social level. These policies you're shilling are incredibly destabilizing, and no sane man or group of people display this antisocial expediency or out-group preference in government policy.

Why do you fags always assume it's about economics? It's not about economics, it's about not uprooting innocent families who have done nothing wrong, just to satisfy your autistic paranoia about going extinct.

Once again, if you do not solve the birthrate problem, you are going to go extinct no matter what. And if you do, who cares if the darkies get your country afterwards?

>London has been a multicultural melting pot since at least the 1700s

London has been a smoggy shit hole for a long time, but it also used to be British. And this change wasn't too long ago. You can ask any native Londoner about this change. I'm not some suburban conservative LARPer, don't fucking insult my intelligence.

>Instead of attacking liberals in the cities for doing what they've always done, why don't you come up with a positive solution to your actual problem which is a) fertility and b) reinvigorating the national culture. Both problems can be solved without mass deportations and death squads, but don't let me interrupt your 1930s LARPing.

You are a pretentious, lowly faggot of the worst order tbqh. And never once did I recommend mass deportations or death squads, not that mass deportations would be all that bad for western countries. I merely asked for sane, reasonable immigration and trade laws which respect soverignty. But I understand that most men with low testosterone have a hard time distinguishing between a man with dignity and the big scary fascist brutes you check under your bed for at night.

And regarding fertility and culture, I'm doing my part user.

Don't get me wrong, I'm aware that leftists are pathological, masochistic self-haters who throw money at immigrants to absolve their white guilt complex. I wouldn't deny that for a moment.

So yes, by all means cut the gibmedat handouts. I'm pretty sure most "cuckservatives" would agree with this.

As for birthrates, I hope you're right and they do improve.

They uprooted themselves in coming here, what good are they doing for their native countries? Nothing. They'll just keep coming here until those "countries" don't exist and they'll use up every resource we have and once we're drained then onto the next fucking country. They literally have no loyalty, nor any reason to stay faithful to this country.

Because it's about economics.

74.5% of all neocons work for the feds

>Muh Racial Equality
Sure. Okay. I've never had my car stolen by a white person. I've never been jumped by four white people.
Also, I worked in a grocery store "just across the train tracks". Believe me, the quality of people were severely diminished. Maybe because I live in the Deep South, where we're viciously plagued by tensions left over from reconstruction.

That being said, Donald Trump wasn't wrong when he asked what Democrats had done for Inner Cities. They haven't. Most inner cities, which the Dems have claimed to want to help have been being wrecked by corruption for the past fifty years, all under the gaze of Liberals.
I feel for the black community on this end - that the systematic racism that they claim to want to end is actually the system that they readily take part in themselves via BLM, Sharpton, Jackson, and the DNC. Also, chimping out every time some asshole is shot by the police for being a jackass could help, too.

>Muh 3rd Wave Feminism
Is an unholy cancer on society. 2nd wave was bad enough - While I do agree somewhat with people doing as they choose reproductively, 2nd wave destroyed the nuclear family, or helped do it.
I also have a problem with Hypocrisy, and I don't believe being racist or sexist towards cis white men is going to achieve anything other than the further destruction of the West. Furthermore, I oftentime find the groups that scream the loudest are the ones that are made up of largely non-contributors. This makes me lean even further left.

>Gays are cool
>Drugs are cool. (Except when it fucks with other people)
>Fiscal fucking responsibility is hella cool, too.

I hope they do as well user. I doubt that the possible improvements will be entirely satisfactory for our banker overlords, though.

I feel this way about Islam, and I'm not a Judeo-conservative. Israel shouldn't exist. But I'm not going to defend Islam and say it's culturally compatible with the West, either; It has been demonstrably proven it isn't.

This. Oh god, this.

>not uprooting innocent families who have done nothing wrong
How about those innocent British families that are now minorities in their community?
How is that any different from being uprooted?
And birthrates regulate themselves, Just as Japan's birthrates are improving now that there housing prices are becoming more reasonable.

How old are you anyway? You come off as a guy in his 50s that found this place a week ago but adopted libertarian style ideology a while ago because you're a little smarter than average so you can see inconsistencies but actual hard choices are still too difficult for you. Much like any set in stone ideology.

Such a broad question without even asking what beliefs you have in mind.

Pro-Life because BIOLOGY. Atheist

100.00% of liberals are useful idiots or subverters

My problem with Russia is that Putin's political enemies constantly end up assassinated.

Just like enemies of the Democrats.

Top kek.

I agree, while I don't want Islam in my country, at least their culture is preferable to liberal progressivism.

Also, checked

>Libertarian

Get out of here, normie. Sup Forums is an authoritarian board.

I was on track with everything you said here until you started talking about immigration and muslims.

Islam is the biggest problem humanity as a whole currently faces.

Neocons are more of a party of power, a philosophy of appartchiks than a real popular movement.

Fucking Saved

This. Islam has shown time and time again to be incompatible with Western culture. It's been that way for hundreds of years, but Globalism is now importing the more radical elements into western society. Hell, it's not just western society
Isis is active in the Phillipines more than ever now, with open conflict. It's in Europe. It's in Russia. It's here in Dearborn and god knows where else.

Something has to be done about it, one way or the other. I just pray Western Society doesn't get cucked in the way user above stated, regarding the low birth rates. I wonder sometimes about how WWI and WWII both greatly diminished the male populations of Europe twice within twenty years, and how that may have shortened the fuse quite a bit.

Man. All you said is bullshit.

Gonna tell why families don't have kids in Western Society nowadays, high and clear.

It's that WOMEN DON'T WANT IT.

They think they will get ugly, they are not gonna be useful, not gonna be able to work, not gonna enjoy life, travel and etc.

This wage bullshit is just that. BULLSHIT.

Humans breed incredibly quickly. We can expand exponentially if the conditions are right.
The Western world always has hope.

Everything I said about wages is factual user. And regarding women, they tend to take a path that is most practical. Most of them want children. Just not with men like you.

After more than one thousand years fighting the muslims now Germany bring them here, and give'em money and shelter. It's just ridiculous.

Suppose it's the German fate to destroy Europe every time they can.

Nah user, I'm a lucky one. Have a gf that ia crazy about having a big family and a bunch of dogs just like me.

But what I'm saying is true, and even my gf agrees with it (yeah, she's as redpilled a girl can be). Most of Western girls (and I'm speaking more about Europe since ia what I know) want no kids at all, or want 1 when then get older.

Congrats user.

Regarding your argument, if they LARP on about muh career (receptionist, teacher dental hygienist, etc).. they aren't truly redpilled. That's conditioning. And wanting to post-pone having children very late is a big fucking mistake, for a few reasons. But I unrinonically have no problem with most of them only wanting 2-3 kids max, if at all. Imo, we should be talking about eugenics instead of abortion, replacement quality instead of replacement rate, things of that nature. We objectively don't need mass immigration to save us.

In America, people are poor because they fucked around in high school instead of working hard. I don't want to 'spread' my wealth to them. Why should I? Everyone gets what they deserve in the end. Cause and effect is very simple.