How does Sup Forums feel about the Paris Climate Agreement?

Is it a good idea to pull out of it?

Is Climate Change real?

What can be done to stop it?

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Climate change is real. The Paris climate accord is a scam that would cost us nearly 100 billion dollars a year totalling in the trillions to the UN. We can reduce climate change by lowering taxes and regulations on solar, wind, nuclear etc.

Changes in the climate are governed by hundreds of variables, and the notion that we can control these changes predictably by taxing and manipulating the margins of one politically selected factor (CO2) is bullshit.

That's literally nonsense.

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Here's a leftist source admitting it
>By 2035, it is estimated that more than $2.5 trillion in gross domestic product will be lost if the United States follows through on Obama’s commitments. And for what?

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Fuck that jew control racket. Actually, fuck Paris and everything and anything associated with that nigger mudslime ridden shithole.

Paris Accord is great, if your expressed goal is to reduce the impact of humans on the planet. Ya know for people who hate humanity

PORITRICIANS DODE PSYCINCE?

We can stop it by nuking China and India and letting niggers die. Crippling our economy and only our economy is not a reasonable solution lol.

Isn't Elon Musk one of Trump's advisors? What did black science man mean by this?

I believe in man made climate change (and solar/longer scale climate change as well) but the climate agreement is crap. They'll take a crap economy and cut its nuts off to the point it collapses, then in mad max world everyone will be driving black smoke cars and burning tires and shit.

If you thought the climate agreement was anything more than country's leaders virtue signaling then I'd say you're pretty gullible.

It's a hell of a lot more dude. It'll cost us tons of money

It's about economic control

Climate change is real and we have to do something about it.

Trump sees this is as a way to make himself some money at the expense of the peasantry.

This exactly, it's pretty transparent.

Yeah anyone who has ever heard of an ice age knows that climate changes over time, the question is how much is natural vs man made, and will it be catastrophic.

you never cease to amaze

Nobody complaining about this thing even knows what the fuck it is or what it means for America to be in it.

There's nothing we can do on a large enough scale to have an impact on climate change. It's pointless. We might as well face this fact and enjoy ourselves while we still can.

I love it! Green socialists are running around like headless chickens chortling that the sky will fall if the US pulls out of the Paris Accord.

>Is it a good idea to pull out of it?
It's not a good idea it's a great idea.

>Is Climate Change real?
Sure. But that's the wrong question. You should have asked what effect does human activity have on the climate's rate of change.

>What can be done to stop it?
Nothing with the climate will change by changing CO2 emissions.

Also you asked the wrong question again. Do we want to stop it? Is the cost of trying to change it greater than doing nothing? Is a reduction in CO2 the best way to try and change the climate?

From your flag I doubt that you can say anything at all intelligent about that.

Opinions from a subject of another "man" is not worth pondering.

Sign here, goyim.

God this nigger pisses me off. Why is it that all of the (((scientists))) that shill for climate change also support a climate tax?

The moment the only argument you have for something is "t-the big corperations are heavily pushing for this so it must be the right thing for americans!" Is the moment I'm out

>that's the only argument for it

It is designed to cripple the West economically.
It has no enforcement mechanism.
Trillions of dollars will be wasted to change a fraction of a degree after 100 years.
"Green" energy is not clean or efficient.

Sorry my tiny brain can't figure out WTF you're trying to say, it's ok though it's probably my stupidity and not your grammar.

Because scientists are especially guilty of arrogantly assuming their expertise translates to knowing everything about geopolitics and economics

If you cant make the whole world comply all you are doing is giving away all the jobs. what would be better is putting tariffs on China and other countries that dont comply with the agreement. but oh no we cant do that now that would bring all the jobs back and we could have clean air and water.

People are fucking stupid if they dont realize this is a scam, because it is so easily solved. We are supposed to believe no one in the entire government has though about doing that instead.

So they can claim some of the money to fund their study of the problem.

Just another form of "gibs me dat".

Maybe. Or maybe not. Or Yakub is returning to claim his throne!

plz nuke the niggers

>Why are people self interested

holy fuck, which jew wrote that kikery?

Okay, but why?

Fuck it.

On a scale of 1-10 where 5 is rational, China is at a 0 and will move to a 1. US is currently at a 4 and will move to an 8.

Simply designed to drive up energy prices, tax the US for its 'impact' (ignoring the real impact of China, India, ect.) and then redistribute wealth to poorer countries.

Really has nothing to do with the environment.

If Trump and his advisors had never learned what Economics is or how & why it works, then I'd consider staying in the Paris Climate Accord too.

Then off yourself faggot

If we don't invest in nuclear as green energy, more likely Thorium salts LFTR based, then it's a waste. Nuclear is the way to green energy, yet diehards want Solar cause they think it's cool and hip

>capitalizing science
This dumb nigger doesn't know the first thing about science.

its really not. small multitech clean energy devices is the future. you can make one for 15 bucks that has enough juice to charge cellphones at a standard rate. so spend 1000 on one and you got all the free power you could want.

Nigger deGrasse Tyson is a moron. I've read his books. He thinks he's making profound statements but he isn't. Much like Bill Nye, he pretends he understands shit that he was never trained in.

Because energy is the largest sector of any economy. Because CO2 is a byproduct of 90% of energy production.

Name a single output you can tax and regulate that gives you more control.

Yeah but powering infrastructure is much harder to scale. Solar is good for personal use, but Nuclear is far more efficient on an industrial scale, which is needed far more than libs who jerk themselves off because they buy a Tesla and get Solar panels on their house.

Yes it's real. Yes it's a serious threat. Yes, half of Sup Forums is too stupid to understand the severity. No, we won't act and it may be the end of us.

Does he believe that there are more than 2 genders?

what if we could capture the energy of the jacking motion though?

He deifies it, you fool.

isn't it "my advisors and i" ? just asking for english lesson.

I'll bet you $10 million that Global warming won't end humanity

so long as it pisses of the faggots on the left, I'm cool with it

its not solar it uses other technologies.

written by jacob rothschild himself.

I don't believe in climate change as described by liberals. I believe in a more moderate form of it, supplemented by natural climate cycles.

BUT

Let's say that I do.

The Paris Accords accomplish nothing. They do not resolve the problem of the industrializing third world. They do not meaningfully address the pollution of China. They require us to pay for other peoples' clean energy sources, as if we don't spend enough on tanks keeping the Russians from rolling over them. It's a stupid plan that won't work.

You want to make this work you need to make the market work for you. Subsidies might work. Or, you could appeal to a group Coneservatives like: The Military.

Cloud-seeding ships are a theory that has been proposed to end Global Warming. 1500 such ships could simply blast salt water into the air every day while moving around and essentially increase cloud cover, negating the effects of greenhouse gasses. So why not propose this to the Navy? Why not say, "we're going to fund the creation of 1500 new Destroyers over the next 10 years, but they need to perform this function in peacetime."

The Republicans would cream themselves and you'd have something BOTH groups like: More huge boats with cannons, and more rain/less global warming.

There you go, I just gave you a bipartisan solution.

>He deifies it
Specifically proving my point that he doesn't know the first thing about science.

>how it worked
>science doesn't even know what gravity is
>"science" is just scientific method meaning you observe the world and make speculations
>you can make entire theory which generally work but are wrong
the religion of science is a joke. science doesn't work on beliefs. fuck climate cultist and their voodoo magic. they can't even calculate what the weather will be in a year then they have no fucking idea what will happen in 100.

it's like if you can't calculate how a ball rolls but try and explain you can make a rocket fly to the moon

Both might be acceptable, but yes, "my advisors and I" is the type of shit you get taught in grade school.

Climate change is real, but the impact we have in comparison to China and India is very small. If we really cared about the environment, we'd actually start putting the clamps on them and encouraging them and Africa not to have as many children.

Anyone starting with 0 predetermined opinion, the predictions of the ensemble models and their error bars, and the set of climate data over the past few decades could determine that the existing models predicting disaster have failed to predict the last decade or so within their own statistical certainty. Therefore they aren't worth anything, and the null hypothesis is "don't do anything." Pull out of the Paris Climate Agreement.

yeah. you're suppose to say "my friends and i", but putting yourself first like "i and my friends" shows you're uncultured pleb. he's a dumb nigger so what do you expect

They can't calculate what the weather will be like in a week.

>dude Chinese pollution will fuck us anyway
>but clearly we need to fuck our economy and get taxed out the ass because we can put crisis off for a few more years

Gud idea

>Climate Change
>Scientists agree that it cannot be stopped

So, what are they argueing about? Why should anyone care about inevitable things? The only apparent issue is if its man-made or not? Why even argue?

Thorium salts are a meme that have been pushed for a while, but never seem to go anywhere. Nuclear is way too expensive to be a viable part of new plant construction. Westinghouse just went bankrupt because they are having so much trouble building new reactors in Georgia and South Carolina. Billions in cost overruns and years of delays just to expand existing plants.

Large scale solar probably isn't realistic, but rooftop solar could go into states like Florida, Arizona, and Texas really easily with great benefits. Combine that with some easy green tech like wood pellets and landfill gas and you've got a shit ton of easy power for the grid.

they can vaguely predict it because some of the weather systems can exist for a week. so they look! this effect here happened so a week later watch out!

if you move it to a year then it's totally impossible

It's a bad deal for a multitude of reasons. It'll harm poor countries the most since they have no way to effectively stop using the energy sources they do since they're too poor to afford better. Then there's also the facts that no countries will reach the 2 degree Celsius goal, that even if they did it isn't enough, and that there is no way to enforce the limits. It's just a promise to try to change.

Sadly, it's a bad idea for the US to pull out because pretty much every country in the world is in on it and it'll look very bad and show a lack of commitment to a global problem.

Drombf is clearly a godtard cuck, but the AGREEMENT isn't worth shit anyway... 'Cause it's just and agreement... go figure.

Moreover, most in the know say it's better for burger to go their own extinction, because they on pay lip service to the deal and are therefore more dangerous in than out
>"if burgers can sign it and do nada, why can't poos do the same?

Lastly, without even TALKING ABOUT METHANE, all this "save the species" is rich as fuck
>methane = CO2 x 25
>cows fart it
>we fell trees that absorb it to make room for cows
>half of agri-land goes for livestock feed
>permafrost melting will release incalculable tonnages of methane
>burn a fireplace for a day = drive a car for a year
>1 duck takes 1,000 times its food yield to feed
>wars over water incoming...

We are already dead.

It's fake. No climate change due to human activity. Left is just against wealth so they are trying to everyone poor.

If we brought back pollution caps, we'd be good right now.

three things are certain in life. Death, taxes and an endless row of record braking temperatures indicating uncontrollable man-made climate change which can only be solved by more taxes.

Hey Sup Forumsacks, Liberal here and I have a question on climate change.

I understand that we disagree on the sources and causes of climate change, but to a certain extent we both agree at least that the climate *is* changing, and the icecaps *are* melting, right?

So why aren't we working together on solutions? I mean its one thing to invest in green technology, which is a good idea, but why aren't we also doing shit like building sea-walls, or investing in engineering solutions to reduce ice cap melt or some shit like that?

I'm sure there are certain things like that we can all agree on. Why don't we do that?

Global warming is real but it's actually a good thing. Ask yourself, why would the kikes and ZOG be desperate to stop global warming if it was actually bad for white countries? Historically whites have done best when the earth is going through warmer times, look up the medieval warming period if you don't believe me. Once the earth gets warmer the shitskin countries (and pissrael) will all turn into deserts and their subhuman inhabitants will die off. Europe and the other temperate regions will become warmer, letting us plant more crops and harvest more solar energy. The ice-caps retreating will provide whites with new land to colonize.

Shitskins and kikes hate the fact that the earth is warming because it will wreck their shithole countries and make white regions even better than they already are.

If it makes the Clintons butthurt = it's good.

If it makes the Clintons rub their hands = it's bad

How would he be making money, exactly? Or do you mean the U.S. won't be paying out and thus saving money?

Last I heard Goldman Sachs were the ones profiting off the bullshit.

>Is it a good idea to pull out of it?
Yes
>Is Climate Change real?
Yes, but what's causing it is not clear, and the solutions being offered amount to the total enslavement of humanity.
>What can be done to stop it?
Our governments could actually help us be truly sustainable and decentralized, not by selling us out to foreign interests.

They could also use the already gargantuan amount of taxes they extract from us to research and develop almost free decentralized and renewable energy sources.

kikes such as myself make up a significantly disproportionate amount of various deep state positions though. (And noble prizes)

The climate has been changing ever since the Earth came into existence.

The rational thing is to spend our resources on mitigating the damage of climate change, but climate dipshits are deadset on crippling the West's energy sectors to "prevent" the """"""""""apocalypse""""""""".

Climate change is real and pulling out was a good idea

We cannot and do not need to "stop" it

You know what the solution is don't you? Let climate change happen. The earth is getting fucked over by overpopulation, the only real solution is for a significant amount of the population to die out, anything we do is just putting band aid on a bullet wound.

Massive solar and wind farms? Electric cars? So the solution is to mine heavy metals that involves the dumping of radioactive waste on a large scale? Heavy metals aren't recycled btw.

Correct

how do you feel about dems and conservatives working together on shit like sea walls to deal with ocean level increase or trying to stop melting the ice caps.

Die off

or come flooding.
also southern united states.

I think I'm in love with you.

can black science man answer me this, if the west "fights" global warming, how are we supposed to compete with other nations industrial output, like Russia, China, and India, who all don't five a fuck about global warming? the only thing that will happen is that they will keep pumping CO2 while we get dirt poor

Give me all of your money or the world explodes.

Why is the word science capitalized?

This is something I just don't get. Even for people who don't believe in climate change. If we reduce carbon emissions and generally clean up the air, it's not like we're doing any harm. The normal denier argument is economic damage; I can understand that but we won't figure out economically viable solutions without looking into it.

Not to mention the fringe benefits of reduced oil and coal consumption - fewer Horizon disasters, clearer air, cleaner water. I don't see why someone would fight against the investigation of economic solutions.

Marry young and have lots of children though, right?

We need to accelerate it OP. Climate Change is like a nuclear bomb to the Chinese coastlines.

I mean the coasts make up a crazy amount of our overall population and GDP. We can't just let florida drown.

Why not build a big beautiful wall to stop the sea (and the cubans) from getting in?

Not true. Its conjectured that Ghengis Khan going on a murdering rampage removed enough humans from Earth to cool it. Now if this agreement fucks America, then we should not bother with it.. We have some of the strictest environmental control laws in the world.
China, India, and to some extent, developing countries in Africa and South America, have hardly any regulation or regulation "on the books" that gets to be unenforceable because of corruption. Europe Is a governing body that only cares about fucking over Americans because its all just a virtue signaling contest. China and India will NEVER be held responsible for the irreparable damage to the climate they cause, with just sheer numbers in population all burning bad fuels.

The only major effect that has lasting implications on fixing the planet are two things: A major shift in socio economic mobility for EVERYONE, coupled with a diminished need for materialism. and/or a major population cull.

Less need for manufactured junk cuts down on industrial waste and fuel consumption, but has problems when shifting to a new economic model.

A cull would eliminate major amounts of consumers but also has the problem of..well being genocide.

No one can really win in this scenario. So I am happy Trump is not attending. It would just mean more trouble for Americans that see ZERO benefit from "fixing climate change."

What has this guy even discovered?

Because Science is God.

But God isn't real.

Yes climate change is real
No there isn't anything we can do about it
Get your fucking hand out of my pocket government reeee

>Is Climate Change real?

Real or not, Trump and the nine billionaires in his cabinet will do whatever makes them the most money in the short term.

If we convince them there's a quick buck to be made saving the planet this planet will be saved in 5 years.

This is why we need to deport shitskins and build border walls now. Once we warm the earth enough to starve the kike and shitskin countries we will have the fortifications we need to mow down the starving horde of orcs. We still have time to accomplish this.

These "alternative" energy sources are just a dirty and impactful on the environment as oil/coal.

You're not getting cleaner energy. You're just subsidizing a different industry. Solar is the biggest meme of them all.

You say that when you have no idea what you're talking about. Fuck you and everyone like you.