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> communism doesnt w-

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>Implying China is communist
>Not knowing what Deng Zhao ping did.

But your graph clearly indicates that Chinese economy started to work once they stopped being communists.

communist party.. hmmmmmmm

Looks to me like the Chinese have fine tuned slavery. You know those factories that make your iphone have suicide nets around them for a reason, right?

This

>Democratic People's Republic of Korea
>implying North Korea is democratic
hmmmmmmmmmm.......

It's not communism or capitalism that fail.

It's the corrupt leaders that do. Either system could work in theory, but never will because of corruption.

(Market based economic reforms since 1978)
Graph goes through the roof.

>importing jobs from multinational capitalist corporations is communist

You cucked fucking retard, go back to your cultural marxist education system and learn how economics work

I wonder why.. Maybe it has something to do with them partially implementing capitalism...

>what were the four modernizations

>Implying North Korea is a dictatorship

>"communist"
>making products for a corporation

How are people on this website this retarded

>Market based economic reforms
Do you even read?

Literally Hong Kong is the most capitalist in the world

you stupid right wing fascist - in china everyone is equal and doesn't judge people for their market value

stop being so greedy and dump prices there so that communism in china can become a success

Did you read the graph before posting it?

>After stepping back many times from regulations
>And the deaths of 20 million plus in famines, executions, and rampages
No

>Private property
>Communism
Pick one
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_Law_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China

If grandma had balls, she would be grandpa.

all niggers in this thread should gas themself for taking the bait on hyper obvious cunningham's law

stupid retards

Kek I mean they do have votes but...

well that settles it!
they SAID They're communists so they must be!
i mean ignore the fact that they're CLEARLY A CAPITALIST COUNTRY IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY
and that ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS SHIT ABOUT CHINA KNOWS IT'S A CAPITALIST COUNTRY
they said they're communists so they're communists!

>why don't you guys get my joke
>you're so stupid!
>here let me explain it!!!
>seeee you're stupid
kys faggot

but what motherfucker? but fucking what?

"I was only pretending to be retarded!"

What truthes did you gain from this thread?

Since when is privatization private property you enormous retard? Privatization is nothing else than selling it international elite. In China government can own some things and people own their own houses aka private property.

bullshit
the very premises that serve as basis for the communist economic theory are illogical and therefore false. that shit simply can't function unless you brainwash half the population and starve the other half, while maintaning a police state. corruption is just gravy that makes all this shit even worse.

GDP means jack shit anyway. USA is full of millionaires now that their GDP has risen, because they have gigantic inflation. In Africa everybody is billionaire.

fourth post best post

>literally israel

fuck off kike

your degeneracy is not welcomed here faggot

We aren't technologically advanced enough to know if ideal communism really works. It's supposed to work when we have a post-scarcity society. It doesn't work until that condition is met. Obviously though, everything works in theory, when that theory is a utopia.

If you vote for the wrong person, they'll execute you and your family.

>Farm privatization begins the growth

You fuck off. Israel is our foremost ally.

totally giving up all freedom and responsibility sounds like dystopia

Communism has many shapes and forms. It's a spectrum. The chink one is roughly
>caste system
>ruthless not-capitalism
I know its not that was promised. You get used to it, comrade.

Funny how as soon as Mao the big fat faggot fucks off and Deng "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" Xiaoping steps in things get better and better. This is perfect proof that delusional Maoism is totally non-functional and simple market socialism is once again dominant.

Why? What makes them illogical?

Hong Kong is also responsible for Chinese market crash. You got some Anglo in Hong Kong, that's enough for failure.

Hmm, lets see. Mao died in 1976. Gee, what happened in 1976. Bait thread, get off my board Muhammad.

>1990
their selling out more and more of state owned enterprises and globalists approve. it's a whole lot of money don't forget that they're a billion people.

There wouldn't be a need to totally give up all freedom. It's just that working wouldn't be necessary in a post-scarcity world. Everything would be produced my machines and that production would be handled by the state. There would be no need for money because goods and food would be so plentiful, that anyone could have as much as they want, and there would still be enough for everyone. People would then have the freedom to choose what to do with their lives. Whether they want to spend all their time at the beach, playing golf, working on scientific research, programming, or just being a neet. Obviously this is unrealistic at this moment in history but I don't think it's far fetched to think it might be possible in say 500 years.

DESU China has probably one of the best working governments right now. Sure it is probably corrupt as fuck (but every power system is) Western democracies are way too clogged with bureaucracy, combined with policy being heavily influenced by reelection, it takes forever for anything to happen, if it happens at all.

Adopting economic policies that made other East Asian economies like Japan and the Tigers economic powerhouses, they are able to do things like huge public works projects and plan for the future to a degree that western democracies never could. Considering less than half a century ago they basically nuked their society both culturally and economically they are doing bretty gud desu, just look at how little the poos in India have managed to accomplish in the same time span, and they didn't have to deal with a crazy communist revolution either.

>from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs
>means that the lazy worker will receive as much as the productive one; soon there'll be no productive workers

>economy based on central planning
>kills the most basic principles of economics by eliminating the offer-demand tension. the State would determine each, and thus we'd have shortages especially when you consider how no none is stimulated to produce
>a black market will inevitably appear

>everyone is equal because there is no burgeioisie
>the rich are simply replaced by bureaucrats with virtually more power and more desire to take advantage of the system

>individuality is seen as anathema on a society that wishes everyone to be equal

What are they selling? Name specific enterprises. If they are just selling products instead of companies, that's how free trade should really work. You don't need to become a bitch to play in free world. Only problem with free trade is selling your own companies and allowing foreign companies to be build on your land. We had trade with Africa and Muslim world in Yugoslavia, until USA got jelly. We didn't give a single Arab/African citizenship. China was national trade before 1990, now they trade globally, but still doesn't means they sold their industry. China has a problem with law now, since you need tougher punishment now that you got free trade, else they will sell you out, including companies.

you're a retard, the GDP rising coincides exactly with when china let multinational cooperations do business there. also slave labor in them factories

Hong Kong had much lower GDP when it was not under Chinese control, so how do you explain that you international capitalist?

>what are sonderverwaltungszone
did you even school

There are dozens of versions of communism with differing views on all those ideas though. I'd argue that neoliberalism isn't working but that doesn't mean we need to throw out capitalism entirely.

It's called isolation of financial problems from the rest of China or multifinancialism.

well unless you find some sort of communism that follows the regular economic theory without losing its identity as ideology, then they're fated to stagnate or become some sort of corporativism or state capitalism. To me, socialism seems as a child's idea on how things should work.

i agree that neoliberalism isn't working, but it at least has grounds on regular economic theories. It's not synonymous to capitalism though.

Chinese "counting" methods

Anglos were stealing much more than Chinese capitalists do.

we have a caste system? First time i've heard

the anglos used to do this thing where they founded sockpuppet companies in india to keep financial control, I suppose it's much easier to do today by stock market

I don't understand why you think a regular economy is the only viable option. We've barely tried others. There are more neoliberal economies right now than communist economies have ever existed. None of them are functional.

>"farm privatizations"
>GDP skyrockets
You deserve your slow demise, Germany.

>-ork.

And neither do communists.

why aren't they? do you know any neoliberal country that openly persecutes people that do not follow the party's ideology? or are there any neoliberal country suffering from starvation caused by incompetent leaders? they might not be all dream countries, but at least they're not some shithole warring a social class while a charismatic leader hoards absolute power.

thing is, capitalism proved over and over again that it can promote growth and development while maintaning civil liberties, but communism/socialism haven't.

People starve to death everyday in neoliberal countries, yes. The difference is that we don't consider that the governments fault under capitalism. Poor government isn't caused by economic theory.

Socialism has hardly been given a chance to grow and try different ideas without intervention from capitalist nations. You can count the number of countries on two hands and most of them had the CIA fucking everything up.

Capitalism has failed to promote growth since the 1980s.

Rothschild do similar thing, they be having money in private hiding place protected by monarchy and screwing some economy of another country, importing illegals and so on, you are nothing but a marketplace to them, their money is mostly safe, they only invest. Chinese government did similar thing, after all it was governed by Anglo. If you connect everything with everything right away then everybody suffers when Anglo makes it go down by pocketing money. Now Chinese government may tax it, profit from it, but doesn't have to be it totally brings down whole China.

well you got Eastern Europe as an example of socialism, and the USSR fell under it's own weight. Venezuela also spent 17 years under socialist rule and has survived until now because of their oil. Cuba shouldn't be mentioned because of the embargo and the US pressure against other countries to not trade with it. most Asian countries that were communists now are adopting market economies.

Sure there is people starving in capitalism, but it's not everyone and, especially under neoliberalism, there are government devices that promote help to these people.

>farm privatization
that's not communism.exe

Whether you like it or not, North Korea is democratic, they hold elections. Here's the results of their latest election if you don't believe me.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki

When did Venezuela have Socialism? They never had industry under their own control, they elected politicians, they have stocks. USSR fell because they wanted it to fell so different politicians could become heads of state of different countries and sell everything. They even replaced all the Communistic generals, so normally it's going to fail and they going to come with their tanks. Serbia even was partitioned even further, as well as plan with Ukraine. West wants to also split Tibet from China. Less pieces, more easily to bribe politicians.

this is either a troll or the most naive man on Sup Forums

I can't wait for the violence to break out.

Just because their elections are shams doesn't mean that they're not a democracy. They are by virtue of even having them.

Gdp dodmt exist in 1952

That's like Vatican elects their new popes.

> muh unreal socialism
It's time to kys.

Fuck off you boomer democracy-shill. Go back to 9gag.

>farm privatisation right when the boom starts

Wow, much communism, very share!

You mean non socialist national socialism?

Mr. comrade Wing Wong please forgive the factual inaccuracy of mine. In my haste I had committed a serious spelling error that has caused you a grave insult.
Meant "not"-caste system.
Hope this clears any misunderstandings and ill feelings.

It's pretty unreal when you have same government as USA.

Russia fell because Gorbatchov attempted to break its economic stagnation by opening the market to the world while putting down the police state. The plan backfired horribly and he couldn't maintain the empire face the nationalism of Russia and Ukraine, so he gradually lost more and more power, especially after the attempted coup.

Venezuela is a socialist country, believe or not. The government wrestled a good deal of industries from the private sector and planified the economy (just recently they imposed maximum prices for bread). However, the bourgeois left the country with their capital long ago, so all they got now is the oil which they can't extract.

as for eastern europe, i don't think it all comes down to selling everything and bribing politicians, each state holds too many interests to make things so simple. However, i still didn't get how the former USSR entered in such a harsh crisis after its fall, except for the fact that most of the commerce among the former socialist states was lost. But i can't say i know much about it, probably you know more since you live near there.

Why would you want government in a post scarcity world?

Gorbatchov replaced the military commanders:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perestroika

Because materials is not all a society is about.

bro, same type of government is not equal to same economic system adopted

Socialism is one-party government where all party members get promoted in their job to higher place and eventually reach Communistic party and not because they got more paid, but because they proven to be working for country, which then means they can't be schooled in USA or having international companies before or after.

we were talking about the economic aspect of socialism. Also, a democracy is perfectly possible under socialism, but the socialists tend to be jealous of the power (other parties might want to 'undo the progress'). we're seeing it happening right now in the US and also here in Brazil.

That's the economic aspect, not having international companies, so you work for own country and don't have foreign accounts open in some country. Socialism got to know about all finances and this is why they had a crisis in China, because Hong Kong people sold to stocks and made deals in foreign country, so that money was hidden from Chinese government, then that's what we call speculation, what they do in capitalism, they speculate how much and where and those who know the most are international elites aka Rothschild/Soros, since they have their eyes inside of the working of financial system, which your politicians of capitalistic countries do not have and do not control. Of course there is also this important thing in democracy that when you vote for a politician leader of political party you get automatically half million other people tied to that political party in all aspects of life and none of them gone through testing if he worked for country or not, he automatically is part of your system, unlike in Communistic party, where each human is tested and can't just invest or be successful internationally to be part of decision making.

>Of course there is also this important thing in democracy that when you vote for a politician leader of political party you get automatically half million other people tied to that political party in all aspects of life and none of them gone through testing if he worked for country or not
i have to disagree with you there. when a new government is elected you don't replace the entire bureaucracy and put a brand new one, you just change people from some key functions. Whereas in communism you have meritocracy but also a lot of patronage, and without contacts you won't progress beyond certain point.

>Hope this clears any misunderstandings and ill feelings.
no I'm literally shaking and I'll tell my countryman to boycoot Bulgeria

>implying republican bosses don't fire democratic workers

"B-But that's not REAL communism"

Right?