AUTOMATION
What you think will happen (because you're dumb)
>10 people make 100 shirts
>robot introduced that can make 100 shirts with 1 operator
>9 people get fired
What will actually happen
>10 people make 100 shirts
>robot introduced that can make 100 shirts with 1 operator
>10 people make 1,000 shirts
>price of shirts collapses
>the amount of shirts you can afford goes up by ten
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Why would a fucking business crash their own prices? You dipshit.
Because if you don't, your competitor will.
It only takes one to do it and the house of cards collapses.
Sweet. I'm gonna buy so many fucking shirts.
Kill the competition and profit. I know you're not fond of that idea but that is what happens.
what happens farther down the line:
9 people no longer have jobs. That's 9 less people who have economic buying-power to buy things such as T-shirts.
jesus fuck man is it burger education stupid example day?
Yeah just like gas prices have dropped significantly because of the barrel becoming cheaper....oh wait
>And then OP was retard
>crude oil and automobile fuel have 1:1 price movement
I don't need ten times as many shirts...
>crude oil and automobile fuel have no correlation from a business point of view
>sell 100 shirts for $1 profit per shirt
>or 1000 for $0.1 profit per shirt
It's the same profit, except now you undercut competition and sell more shirts, so more profit
Despite what ((they)) tell you automation is no where near this level of self reliance. In the real world those 9 people are also trained to be operators. They would be split up into maintenance crews for different tasks around the automated system. The new profits from producing at a faster rate is usually put back into the business and they buy a second system. Now you have 2 machines running full time with 2 to 3 shifts a piece for the workers.
t. Automation process control engineer
Do you even know what the biggest cost to the consumer is in a litre of petrol?
It's tax. 60% of the petrol price is straight up tax.
That's why falling oil prices doesn't translate 1:1 into falling petrol prices. Not to mention all the other associated costs.
Don't be dumb, dummy.
So those 10 workers earn 1/10 of said salary since shit is cheaper and people still buy just one shirt, not tenfold, you moron.
What. The. Fuck.
I love shirts now
>So those 10 workers earn 1/10 of said salary since shit is cheaper and people still buy just one shirt, not tenfold, you moron.
Yes, and that's why increased productivity has never increased living standards in all of human history.
but maybe you need one at 1/10 of the price
What will actually happen
>Owner expects to produce 1000 shirts with 3 operators
but then the company will be making ten times more shirts than the demand :/
Retard. 65% tax. Even if you cut like 50% out of the 35% real costs, you are still at 85% of the price before oil went down.
>Automation process control engineer
Embedded systems engineer here, as someone who works with both dodgy hardware and the buggy patchwork excuses for real-time OS's, I agree that automation is no where near being self reliant. You can't not have a maintenance team and a slew of operators constantly hovering around.
so run the factory 10 times less? Saves 10 times the energy?
Thanks to triple dipping by the government we have 200% tax on petrol. 2/3 of what you pay is tax
Demand grows with lower prices, suddenly poor people start buying all the shirts they couldn't afford.
>this whole automated loom shit is stupid, no one is gonna buy all that cloth
And don't forget the downstream affects, Humans will design and build that automated machine, it requires parts that are delivered by humans, it requires human maintenance and specialists keeping it running, etc....
>increasing productivity is bad
t. commie
>so run the factory 10 times less?
Then you are wasting money. Idling the factory still has a cost, and with some processes a shut down and restart cycle can take days, once a process is running smooth you keep it going for as long as possible until you hit a required maintenance stop
Automation should be followed by massive genocides of lower classes and non-whites so we can have a select group of humans while all the work is done by robots.
Until robots go berserk and kill all the humans.
capitalists live in a fantasy world. real wealth is only possible in communism.
Skynet when
>implying the price for the material to make shirts will plummet
your ability to create so many shirts is also determined by the price of the material, so unless the material prices just plummeted then your figures are retarded at best
which wastes more money, making too many shirts or running the factory less? they will do that so whats the problem here? what are you implying?
Why would I own more than 14 different shirts though?
>delivered by humans
yes good meatbag, it takes a lot of skill to load and drive a truck, heheheh
So then they fire the 9 humans because the demand is not there to make that many shirts.
they will fire all humans regardless. robots will be cheaper. the only way this wont happen is if the government forces them not to use robots and then those companies will leave.
I suppose that kraut maths does not account for the most costly part of retail, called "transport". Shipping 1 000 shirts in 1 truck costs you one wage. Shipping 10 000 shirts in 10 trucks costs 10 times more. You can't just sell 10 times more for 10th the price and still turn a profit, that's not how it works.
kraut maths is so bad they don't even know that 1 000 000 rapefugees = 1 white genocide.
>That's why falling oil prices doesn't translate 1:1 into falling petrol prices
Strawman
The barrel dropped significantly but there was absolutely zero effect on the consumer.
Meanwhile if the barrel rises, it is used as a rationalization to increase the price, don't even pretend that's not correct.
meanwhile germany has good economy while poland still looks somewhat like communist russia.
i lived on the polish border and the city on the polish side was ugly and poor as fuck. main economy in the polish city was cigarettes and cheap oil.
I argue that automation will force an IQ increase in our population, those that cant do a complex task will be dismised by woman.
And when businesses decide to ride the automation meme firing their crew and keeping costs to a minimum they go under within a quarter. This stuff is expensive and needs a watchful eye when operational. Too many larpers on the board today fellow leafbro.
>t. Economic illiterate
You should google the word "overcapacity"
>Too many larpers on the board today
Mostly people who have never set foot on a manufacturing floor it seems
What will actually happen
>we become robot batteries
>Because if you don't, your competitor will.
What is...Monopoly
He said "profit", not "price".
Learn to read
You really are smart, aren't you Abdul?
Okay, let's assume your company made a machine that lets you to cut the production costs of your t shirts (made in Bangladesh and sold in Germany) to a 10th of it's original costs.
Let's take a working example, shall we? Pic related.
Here's a breakdown of what a 29 euro shirt costs for what.
You intend to keep all the employees and ramp the production up 10fold. So the wages stay the same, and the factory profit can decrease 10 times. From 4% of the total shirt price to a mere 0.4%. WOW! So good! We just saved 3.6% of the total tshirt costs, which comes out to 1.044 euro.
Now we can sell our t shirts 10 times cheaper at only 28 euro instead of the previous 29 euro.
Yes, I'm sure your competitors will go out of business immediately...
And that's not even mentioning that shipping ten times more shirts would increase the transport costs 10 times, which would make it actually cost more than what you saved by using new robots for its production.
But that's too hard for you, isn't it?
Fucking kraut maths...
In any case, there's less demand for factory jobs, so the price of factory jobs goes down. Better hope there's some other kind of job out there that's growing in demand to replace the factory jobs. What's that? No? Ok.
you have a smaller factory with a single robot making the same amount.
>price of shirts collapses
>robot gets laid off
>robot wife leaves chrome robot for blue steel robot
>robot develops oil additive addiction
>robot decides to take it out on humans
I don't know but I just hope it creeps slowly as I have no where else to go outside of walmart.
As someone who has worked in a factory that got a few robots to do shit, people got fired, one Guy maintains many robots and Just fills them with materials to make products from. More products less workers but the same shit sells for the same Price because Brands matter a lot in stuff like this and that costs a lot more than the actual product.
Capitalism created where communism fails
That creates a mismatch in supply and demand and some shirt-factories will close down as their profit margin collapsed.
What happens is that suddenly loads of people are employed as a psychologist or a safety manager and what not.
>10 people make 100 shirts
>robot introduced that can make 100 shirts with 1 operator
>an 1 maintenance guy to keep it running
>and 1 programmer to make the robot run as intended
>and a 3 consultants to direct the on-site planning
>and 1 manager to manage the consultants, everyone else
>and 1 business writer to make an operational guide
>and 3 more operators as the business expands
>and 3 more consultants to set them up efficiently, handle their concerns
>and 2 more programmers to keep the robots efficient
>and 2 IT department guys, since the business now has a lot of computers
>and 1 more manager
>and 3 security guys to keep the site safe
>and...
That won't happen.
Here's what will happen:
Phase I:
>investor moves his shirt business out of China because wages and taxes increased
>investor goes to a low tax ,low wage but politically stable country
Phase II:
>pays 1 operator to run the robot to produce 10 shirts
>he can afford to drop the price and cover the amortization on the robot
>buys another robot with 1 operator and so on
>price drops but not dramatically because of amortization of robot costs
Phase III:
>when the market is filled with automated companies that covered their amortization the price will crash but most won't have any jobs to buy the shirts.
What happens in the long run
>all manual labor is automated
>all dumb people work meaningless government project jobs if they want to work, but are otherwise completely taken care of and live comfortably
>intellectual class is free to pursue artistic and scientific pursuits free from financial duties thanks to automated slave labor
This future will never happen though because we will never fully automate.
There's jewish saying:
Only morons buy retail.
>free from financial duties thanks to automated slave labor
You know what these ultra rich/people that own production call people that do not work?
Useless eaters.
What is free market
This will happen but in a far far away future, we do become batteries, or we merge with machines
Yes, these "ultra rich people" are the ones who will not allow full automation to be reality. They will use useful idiots and unions to push laws that will prevent it from ever happening. People will fall for it and call it a grassroots movement. A victory for labor, the working class.
This is only true for infinitely advancing AI future. Which is probably more likely than automation future, but this thread is about automation future.
>will not allow full automation
Full automation is on it's way right now and it's making those people even richer.
Are you some kind of special moron?
whatever, now give ubi.
A hotel just opened in Japan.
Half of the personal only.
At the reception; a robot that looks like a velociraptor will welcome you.
That's futuristic.
Also for the FIFA worldcup 2018 in Russia; robots will help Brits and Russki to become the best friends.
I bet you arent pure blood mexican subhuman just like I'd bet that ausie cunt isnt actually hwite.
Top lel.
I can't believe that the heads of large corporations would be so dumb as to shoot themselves in the foot. Then again, these corporations have been known to pursue short term gains. If it is true, I'm glad I was born early enough to not be hit too badly by the worst of the initial negative impact on economy. Wish I was born a few hundred years later in the post labor future though.
I imagine that once they realize their mistake that they'll backpedal hard in the opposite direction.