Basic Income

find a flaw

niggers

Yea....I'm not giving all my money up in tax so some lazy cunt can sit and do fuck all

theres not. with technology

we already have welfare

so what if they live in slums and starve to death?

>he wants super-ultra-giga-hyperinflation for his economy

Fpbp.
A large portion of society will not work, and there will be no "drive to survive" for the working class. Things will turn shitty after a few years.

capitalism is a jewish trick btw

He who giveth also taketh away

>before basic income: being productive to society
>after basic income: degenerate wasteful hedonism

sounds about right

Yes, because I'm going to go be a trash man to meet people and improve myself

"I want others to work to support me while I focus on recreation"

The premise relies on the idea that universal basic income won't be used in the same way as welfare to consolidate political control over increasingly dependent people.

It's why socialism is garbage; never put all your eggs in one basket.

>be such a leech that you decide its time to convince everyone they need to stoop to your level of laziness
>not realizing you are an uninspiring loser who is sadistic

basic income is like communism. There will be no incentive to work harder if everybody can just slum it out

How does the jew benefit from basic income? Its not like he doesnt already control almost everything.

the flaws are as follows:
1- you can make money while enjoying yourself/being sociable/helping community/etc.

2- money doesn't come out of fucking thin air. It's exchanged for labor.

3- I can't think of ANYTHING I'd rather do less than give modern artists free money.

Idle people cause major problems in society. You can't allow a population to just mill around. They will self-destruct.

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Why is it good to work harder for its own sake?

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None of the reasons in the "after" picture will actually compel people to leave the house.

Also, the money for "basic income" will come out of my check. As such, if you don't want to work to live, I'd rather you just die.

This

Replace all labels on the right with "Chimp out and commit crime"

Then you see an issue

After robotics, automation, and artificial intelligence take off enough and replace the majority of labor, universal income will become a necessity to stabilize society. Sure it will devolve into a hedonistic lazy sex-drug fest, but honestly who cares? I'd love to spend my time reading, learning, exercising, spending time with friends, cooking good food, and fucking.

>Reasons for the government not to exterminate you:

(((((((((help community)))))))))

you'll be dead before that happens.

They are niggers, the won't starve.
They can eat each other.

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C'mon you conservalarpers. You've got to come up with a better reason than crickets.
If so, not of natural causes.

Countless people will stop working.

They'll find self improvement, enjoyment, ways to meet people, and ways to help their community without working.

This will lead to an economic collapse because the people working will be destroyed by the dead weight.

It's been proven time after time after time throughout history that struggle is what makes humans thrive to be greater. You cannot understand happiness if you cannot contrast it with tough times.

Why do you think modern societies around the world have such high rate of depression and the simpler ones do not?

Find a simple job, try to be the best at it (and I don't mean retail, try some STEM work where you can use your brain to solve problems and/or apply your skills to something concrete), you'll be much more happier than being on welfare.

basic income is absolutely retarded. although I think the government should provide free housing, utilities and food if they're gonna fucking take income from me.

no, of natural causes. by the time we become a post-scarcity society (if that's even possible, which i doubt it is) you will be long, long, long, long dead.

I don't work because working for enjoyment and meeting people is a meme
I would rather improve myself fapping to trap porn and reading Sup Forums
and why would I want to help a community that welcomes refugees and blames all their problems on the whitey

>starve to death
>basic income

Work is a terrible way to fulfill those needs. There's still a lot of shit jobs that need doing. And there will be for a while. But having all basic physical needs met in addition to notbeing able to get a wife because the top 10% of men are hogging the all is going to put a damper on those things getting done.

Because no one is incentivized to self-improve in this case. Look at Norway's lack of doctors due to them making hardly more than an average job.

Basic income allows him to have complete an utter control over the lives of everyone. I assume you know how the welfare state allows the control of low income minorities? Imagine if the welfare state was expanded to give everyone an income, and in doing so allowed those in control of it to expand their influence under the guise of helping. Suddenly, with the reduction of non-basic income wages, they have hundreds of millions of people who now rely on them and their money for survival.

Not hard to put together. The real question is when businesses inevitably collapse under the tax strain of the system, where will the jews get the money from?

The right side you forgot drugs and employment shouldn't be there

It de-incentivizes everyone. But then.. that's the whole plan.

Go away, communist.

If you give excess oxygen to a patient, their breathing slows down. If you give them a large excess of oxygen, they'll fucking stop breathing because the brain will go "yeah you've got enough oxygen, no need to breathe anymore".

It's quite similar, just replace oxygen with money and breathe with work.

>Give you just enough to live
>Literally a subservient gentile, living off the tit of the (((system))).

Literally this actually.

kill yourself commie

>self-improve
And why the fuck should I improve when I'm good enough as it is and I don't see any direct profit from that improvement?
>Norway's lack of doctors due to them making hardly more than an average job
They also don't have student loans to pay off. Of course they're going to come to countries where they can free-ride off of educational debts.
Fucking burger libtards pretending that everything that gets in the way of the point of their argument doesn't exist.

Then you work when you need to, as people did before the industrial revolution enslaved everyone to muh market.
You're literally claiming that the only thing keeping you from muh moral duhgeneracy is that you have to do stupid human tricks for your lord. Worse, you think that makes you superior.
Is it fun being that cucked?

The flaw is I'm not a child anymore and realize that money isn't a magical creator of stuff that comes from the ether. All that would happen is prices will go up and UBI will become the new zero. Thus, you are reliant on your (((overlords))) to perpetually increase the UBI.

You clearly have done no research on this subject.

Scientists are already predicting 2040 as the date when complete automation and the technological singularity will occur.

yes, just like fusion power is perpetually 25 years away

simplistic feelgood bullshit from dumbshit suburbanites who didn't even know what UBI was until they saw it on facebook and thus have prevented no concrete solutions and ideas regarding implementation and management

isn't welfare already sorta like basic income?

>muh scientists said stuff and pulled a random date out of their ass
We've had the technology to automate most jobs since the early 1900s. It's almost as if humans have non-mechanical inherent value that can't be replicated and people generally prefer dealing with actual humans.. Really makes you think.

>sitting in his parent's basement shitposting pol 24/7

>X hasn't been done
>thus X can't be done
fucking plebs man.

Also considering we can barely automate something as simple as driving you're talking out your ass.

Panda porn
In the absence of any dangers or motivation animals just forget to do anything and fail even to preserve their own species

UBI essentially turns humanity into a species of domesticated house pets. Read Industrial Society and its Future

Their retarded argument is it would allow us to remove welfare and all of the waste associated with it. It's a retarded argument because they have a retard-level understanding of economics and don't realize that the UBI would become the new zero, thus people would still need welfare and will have to work to offset the ever-increasing prices. There would also be waste and fraud among the (((bureaucrats))) who would manage it all and who will be trading higher UBI for votes.

>Never have to work a day in you life ever again you're told
>Your income makes you live as a depressed neet as people with slightly higher education or even just a average job live in better neighborhoods and houses while you're stuck in some UBI slum
>Majority of people will have the boredom, freetime, and no real penalty for breaking the law to resort to drugs and crime to make more money. Muggings and home invasion would be common
>No money to improve area and no point in improve self as there is zero inventive as you will always get paid the same on the system
>If it ever fails, you have possible millions that have never worked and don't have any skills
>Wasting billions or even trillions on dumbasses that do nothing all day but fuck, get drunk, and live in a dump

You're a complete Luddite.

It doesn't even matter if what you're saying is true, a technological singularity is just that: a singularity. It will happen whether we want it to or not. It's outside of our heads and nothing we can do can slow down the process. For god's sake we're communicating on the very thing I'm talking about and it doesn't stop here you moron.

>the government being able to shut off everyone's income

What could go wrong?

Who the fuck ever said that?
There's a difference between not needing to work ever, and having enough of a cushion to tell the boss to fuck off when he starts getting greedy.

Just about all low-skilled jobs could have been automated decades ago. The fact is, people PREFER other humans cook their food. People PREFER customer support from a human. People PREFER human creativity. Companies PREFER dealing with self-sustaining, independently thinking humans. In other words, humans have jobs because there's a demand for humans to have jobs. You're assuming that that demand will magically end one day. People will wake up and decide that they no longer identify with their own species and would prefer dealing with robots.

The fact is, you're a bunch of lazy faggots who put zero thought into these topics and just imagine yourself sitting at home playing video games as money magically pours in to support your lazy ass. Capitalism + gibs.

>and having enough of a cushion to tell the boss to fuck off when he starts getting greedy.
where are you acquiring the money for this? if you pull money out of the pockets of people to pay for the living expenses of niggers, someone will be deprived of their safety cushion eventually.

>a technological singularity is just that: a singularity. It will happen whether we want it to or not.
are you going to pull a misinterpreted version of the historical rate of decreases in transistor size out of your arse next?

>For god's sake we're communicating on the very thing I'm talking about and it doesn't stop here you moron.
you have absolutely no fucking idea how shoddy the internet is. you're just insulated from it via multiple layers of abstraction. using the internet as an example of "automation" is retarded.

Fixed.

As a very wealthy person who has never and will never have to work in their life, I feel that Universal Basic Income will be the doom of civilization.

If everyone was able to do what I did, nothing would get done and everything would suck.

Not an argument.
Just because you can't smoke weed every day and hold down a job doesn't mean that other people can't or don't. Stop projecting your utter lack of a moral center onto others just because YOU need a nanny state.

Are you retarded? We're communicating via code written entirely by humans, sent via infrastructure created and managed by humans. What you faggots haven't considered is whether or not THERE IS A DEMAND for humans to create the Borg that will wipe out our entire species. This isn't a fucking movie.

>human reasons to work
None at all.

Firstly giving money to people without asking them to work will lead 80% (source: my ass) of them to stay home and do jack shit for 20 years straight. We're lazy creatures, the strength and weakness of mankind.


Secondly look at the words: Universal Basic Income.
Basic. Basic.
How would you define your basic standard of living, does it includes a bed and a pillow, an internet connection are you joking ?
Now what do you think the people in charge of distributing this income would define your basic standard of living. Enjoy your nutriment goo and dirty concrete floor, stare at your three walls and one way mirror.

Thirdly, absolute control. Right now you're earning your money (fairly or not).
With basic income your money is generously given to you by your government so be a good citizen, don't talk back, do what you're told and maybe you get to keep your UBI if we like you. Also we decide if you're allowed to work or it's gone with your income.
If you see nothing dangerous with surrendering your income to the whims of someone else, a known pathological liar at that then may god help your soul.

That all seem so bad nobody would do that right ? Nobody would lower themselves to such a living.
Yes. Most would (source: i'm a seer).
They could work to elevate themselves but they won't. They're already not doing that today when they have the chance so they won't do it tomorrow but the thing is right now these lesser humans produce, they have a use and if you thrust UBI on them they'll stop everything and devolve into the maggots they are. Maggots all over your beautiful utopia, sucking up YOUR hard work that you perform so willingly. Are you okay with that? Because that seems absolutely disgusting to me and i don't want it. Better just get rid of them, they're useless anyway.
Good job now you've killed 80% of the population like a soulless maniac.

Show your true face, fake philanthropist. Why do you want UBI so much ?

>civilization
>your ability to make other people live your life for you
Day of the rope will come soon enough for you, leech.

I want to work but no wants to hire me so I might as well get paid for doing nothing to prevent me from becoming a criminal because a maximum security prisoner in Canada costs $150,000 a year but a person on welfare only costs about $7,200/year.

it's all about cost efficiency.

Sto pprojecting your laziness onto others. Have we forgotten that the algorithm which allows us to exchange https keys between computers was designed by a mathematician while house-sitting?

>from becoming a criminal because a maximum security prisoner in Canada costs $150,000 a year but a person on welfare only costs about $7,200/year.

>it's all about cost efficiency.


What about a person on welfare that gets in trouble with the law and is sent to prison because he wanted more cash and didn't know how and blew all his money on retarded shit?

Capitalism 2.0.

Usury it's the same.

yes, it is an argument. where are you getting the money for this? are you going to tax everyone? if you are, paying UBI to people just to take it away in taxes is not going to fly. so where does the money come from? the rich people?

>Have we forgotten that the algorithm which allows us to exchange https keys between computers was designed by a mathematician while house-sitting?
name the fucking algorithm.

1) Money derives its value from representation of resources. In order to sustain high values, productivity must be high. However basic income decouples work for reward. All of the lazy fucks will be paid to laze around while the hard working people will be forced to pay for it all. This will over time convince the hardworking people that the work just isn't worth it and your stupid commie system collapses. The only other way to get people to work is extremely authoritarian.Working with some level of choice and free will is far nicer system to live in.

2) It ignores underlying issues with poverty. There are people who are in poverty that will never leave no matter how much money you throw at them until the underlying issue is solved. It could be addiction, disability or mental health. If you gave a homeless drug addict one million dollars they would be homeless again within a year. If you don't fix a problem at its source you are just wasting everyone's money.

lol, this

Basic income is an ultimate tether to the state. If youre 100% dependent on the government to survive then youll let them get away with anything.

>society will become a utopia when EVERYBODY is a neet!

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You should read my shitty post. Some people will definitely work, a few select ones. The most motivated ones and the ones who get a head start. All the others, they won't.
I know people who live their life on 80euros a month and their life is hell and they keep doing it, they're mentally trapped in poverty. Humans are smart and they're really fucking dumb at the same time.
The point i made is you will work because you're such a good person but the majority won't and they will rot your society from the inside.

>where are you getting the money for this
Money is not a store of value. That "muh money" comes from productivity gains which rightly belong to all of society. If you're going to put people out of work, you're going to pay for the privilege.
Whitfield Diffie was house-sitting for a friend when he got the idea for cryptographic information exchange without an initial shared secret. Thence Diffie-Hellman key exchange.
Why haven't you Pic related yet?

Thats pretty simple, actually: Equality of effort.

As long as automation dont perform EVERY SINGLE human job, someone is making more effort than another person, and is yet recieving "less per hour worked" than one who dont work.

Therefore the man who worked more needs to receive more, which causes imbalance in the prices, inflation, and mix stuff up.

The day machines do perform everything, though, there will be 2 outcomes:
A) The machine singulary revolts against us and kill us all.
B) Humanity achieved a utopic state where no one has to work and everyone have everything they want

But of fucking course this days wont arrive, at least not this millennia.

>Before
>Life
>Luxury
>Community

>After
>My neighbors will fucking lynch me if I don't

I'd be on board with this only if welfare is given a hard cap equal to half the time the person applying has worked and is 75% of the UBI.

The other reasons to work don't get bigger, they stay the same size.

and jews

euthanasia clinics

well the world is severely overpopulated so they've gotta either provide for those who can not work, or start wiping people out at a massive scale.
it's not like all 7.4+ billion humans will be able to find a good well paying job to live a fulfilling life with enough luxury, even if they were all provided free education

and if you're just a wage slave barely getting by, you might as well be on government assistance. at least you have free time

> people PREFER other humans cook their food
wrong
>People PREFER customer support from a human
LOL nope
>People PREFER human creativity
because can't be imitated yet, AI not good enough
>Companies PREFER dealing with self-sustaining, independently thinking humans.
LOL-R-U-4-REAL level wrong
Companies want mindless drones working tirelessly because it IS THE BOTTOM
LINE. The more they can take cost out of menial production parts of the queue out, the better. Why in the FUCK do you think we use gigantic robot arms to make cars instead of hand-hammering chasis and delivering them by truck to another site to be put on frames??

Nigga, you are the niggest-level retarded right now.

If there's no demand for labor, how is that the worker's problem? You can combine the UBI with a jobs guarantee then, offering a productive, hopefully meaningful job to everyone who wants one. God knows the state of public works is so neglected that there will be more than enough to keep the entire reserve labor force busy for years.
People, not half-dicked sociopaths..

Basic income works only if you can ship all the niggers back to africa and sink any boats that come from there. Idle white men are creators. Idle black men are destroyers.

Adam Smithberg created capitalism.

>start wiping people out at a massive scale
God, I fucking hope so, and I hope they start with Africa at that.

The people providing basic income will become the lords of the fiefdom and the receivers of basic income will be their dumb cattle.

At any point the lord can cut off access to basic income on a whim. The dumb cattle will be powerless to do anything about it.

Is it degenerate or not Sup Forums?

i would also like to add that many of the people here really hate those who do not work, as if we are leeching from you.

but who are the biggest thieves of all?
social handouts are a drop in the bucket.
get angry at the billionaires and banks instead of at some poor shmucks who are too devastated from life to do anything.

what gives these people the right to own all the land anyway.
"I own this nation. I own this river. I own this forest."
Fuck off with your military bullying shit, forcing us all to slave away for your prison planet nonsense, and enforcing this practice with your holier-than-thou judgement.

>well the world is severely overpopulated

Work makes you free

>people providing basic income
Robots could do this. That's the point of basic. It's not means-tested so no liberal butt-sticks to lord it over anyone.
>that's why the burger is scared
Double-Chekt
I wonder what this Iroquois rain-dancing forum would be like if burgers were simply not allowed to post, at all, for at least a week.