IQ is the final redpill

>Does g predict genius? Consider the Study of Mathematically Precocious Youth, a longitudinal study of gifted children identified by testing (using the SAT, which is highly correlated with g) before age 13. All participants were in the top percentile of ability, but the top quintile of that group was at the one in 10,000 level or higher. When surveyed in middle age, it was found that even within this group of gifted individuals, the probability of achievement increased drastically with early test scores. For example, the top quintile group was six times as likely to have been awarded a patent than the lowest quintile. Probability of a STEM doctorate was 18 times larger, and probability of STEM tenure at a top-50 research university was almost eight times larger. It is reasonable to conclude that g represents a meaningful single-number measure of intelligence, allowing for crude but useful apples-to-apples comparisons.

>Another assumption behind the 1,000-IQ prediction is that cognitive ability is strongly affected by genetics, and that g is heritable. The evidence for this assumption is quite strong. In fact, behavior geneticist and twins researcher Robert Plomin has argued that “the case for substantial genetic influence on g is stronger than for any other human characteristic.”

Have you ever spent time with STEM graduates from Oxbridge / Harvard etc? These people are a higher form of life than most people. It's jarring to go from talking to them to talking to normal people (including Sup Forums if I'm brutally honest).

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IQ is a meme desu

IQ was my first redpill. When I was 10 I "tested out" of my Catholic school and was encouraged to apply to Lakeside School -- a 5-12, mini-Harvard prep academy in Seattle. I had received the best Iowa Test and IQ scores in the history of my Catholic school (yes, they tested for IQ) and the admin was concerned it wouldn't be a challenge.

At Lakeside, I was near the back of the pack, surrounded by actual geniuses. I knew three guys who got a perfect 1600 on their SAT, including my closest friend. The teachers were like high-quality professors. One of the high school math teachers invented Excel.

Happy to answer any questions about what next-level smart people are like. I don't consider myself one of them but I've known a lot of them.

Do they work a lot or do they work for very small amounts of time but get stuff done

why are they so worthless in politics? Too smart for democracy?

They work about as long on a given project as an average person. But cutting corners isn't an option -- the project will always get thoroughly done. (Intelligence is defined by some psychologists as "heightened sensitivity and the urge to perfect." That urge to perfect can mean that sometimes a really smart person will "go deep" with a project and choose to spend 3x as much time on it.) I think one difference is that the smartest people I know do things in their free time that would seem like work to most people. e.g. the good friend of mine who got the 1600 made a feature-length B-movie involving lots of actors and locations, just for fun. He never "vegged out" for more than ten minutes. Smart people are also always reading for enjoyment -- usually in the middle of 2 or 3 books.

Did you know any of them who were lazy but still smart?

IQ dictates Society progress in Men.

It doesn't really change things with Women.

They really are politically worthless. No trust of populism. Lost in the weeds of leftist doctrines and historical narratives. One of my Lakeside friends' dads teaches at the notorious Evergreen College.

There are a few freak libertarians who have been redpilled on free markets by their own success. For example I have a friend who started a business in Tokyo, despite being white. He's redpilled.

Honestly user I can see envy dripping from your every word. Not that I blame you for it because who doesn't wish they were a super genius?

That would be me. We were assigned hundreds of pages of reading per week, but I was more interested in extracurriculars (music). I got very good at just reading enough portions of a novel to be able to write a proper-sounding essay on it. In one math class, our teacher would just walk around the room and visually confirm that we had our homework. I would often only do enough HW to cover one side of the sheet. Maybe I'm contradicting myself -- that's certainly cutting corners. But I think of that kind of HW as just part of the relentless background noise of Lakeside.

Btw Lakeside has bluepilled itself on race and has dedicated itself to accepting a racially representative pizza pie of students, so things may be different now. Over 50+ of my class was either Jewish or Asian, though.

*over 50%

How many were black?Just curious.

Do you know or remember the ethnicity of the people who were top of their classes?

The one kid I know that got a perfect score on SATs is also one of the biggest leftists I know. I think it is because of all his successes in life have been academic related, and therefore he is addicted to authoritative systems. In all other aspects of his life he has been a failure and last I heard he has taken almost 2 years off from the Ivy League school he goes to.

You make it sound like STEMfags are just more efficient industrial computers.
They don't reject philosophy but it's a "waste" of their abilities.

It seems to me that genius is often misconstrued as superiority, when in fact there are clear disadvantages. Heightened sensitivity makes you an exposed nerve in an armored world. Drive to perfection creates specialists, deepening the societal isolation that began with their sensitivity and (likely) privileged background.

>invented Excel
>an achievement instead of something to be ashamed of

seriously tough, why are you on Sup Forums? This boeard is for retarded rednecks, shoo, shoo!

It really is true, most normies barely even have the ability to have abstract thoughts and I routinely hear things like "I don't really think about things that aren't in my life" from IQlets.

Oh look, another IQ thread
Its a slide thread, but through their inaction, the mods actually encourage slide threads

We had four black people in our graduating class of 115. Two of them were half-black. East Asians and Jewish people graduated near the tops of their class. Plus a segment of really boring, seemingly on-the-spectrum White kids who I could never relate to because they seemed totally sheltered and uninterested in culture.

I'm showing my biases regarding STEM. I was a rare artfag at my school. To be fair, I would bet that a lot of those STEM kids have grown into an interest in philosophy after high school; I just haven't kept in touch. The school did try to turn us into well-rounded Renaissance Nongendered Bipeds.

(Context: I consistently score in the 92nd percentile on standardized math tests, and the 99th percentile on verbal tests. So I'm more of a math person than the average fag, but at Lakeside that put me hopelessly behind the curve.)

Retarded rednecks are fun. I had more sheer fun with my grade school friends, who were all class clowns and troublemakers, than I did with my high IQ friends.

I've never really not believed in the heritability of intelligence and especially ethnic differences in this regard. Doesn't take a genius to see it, just have to be honest with yourself and be resistant to social pressure.

As for talking to normal people, most people simply can't think. I'm not that big a fan of Jordan Peterson (I don't dislike him just not as enamored with him as a lot of people around here) but he said something I found funny. He said most people don't think, ideas pop into their heads and they believe them. Sup Forums is better than most places on the internet but I see a lot of people just parroting shit they've read and trying to masquerade that as critical thought.

I'm not saying people shouldn't assimilate good ideas and arguments they've read, I'll straight up steal phrases I like, but I can tell when someone's knowledge is superficial. That and people taking bad premises at face value are probably the most annoying and persistent issues I have with Sup Forums. You'll see topics like 'Why are high IQ people socially inept?' 'Why are leftists so much smarter than right wingers?' And maybe one person in the topic will question the premise at all. I'm not greedy. I don't need brilliant STEM grads from high level schools. I'd settle for people who can engage at all. Problem is, even with IQ your ability to think also involves the strength of your personality. Like I said earlier, you need to be resistant to peer pressure.

>Have you ever spent time with STEM graduates from Oxbridge / Harvard etc?
I know a tonne of people who went to do STEM at Oxbridge, and even more that did other subjects. They might be real good at science, but they're one-trick ponies in that regard. In most other regards they were retards.

t. grammar school

Sounds good, I'll be stealing this premise and repeating it to my rural and suburban retard IQlet friends, who will then fail to comprehend what I'm saying so I'll look smart.

Ever read anything by Nassim Taleb? He talks about these sorts of people. Not so much the failure part as much as academics being given over to centralizing and meddling. They tend not to trust letting volatility do its thing.

But reading Taleb you'll see an example of what high IQ with a good personality profile looks like. People focus on negative examples too much.

1600 SAT doesn't mean much. I got 1600 SAT and 147 IQ, and I'm 26 with no degree. I would say I'm smarter than average, but only because I tend to learn things much more quickly. I have adhd, depression, and no ambition or drive at all. In fact my dream is to be a stay-at-home dad

that's the funny thing with Sup Forums. in every IQ thread you got everyone popping out of the woodwork claiming they're 140+ IQ, people that are top 0.1%. they're vastly over represented even if you take into account of the people that don't post in such threads. yet the behavior that you can see across Sup Forums is one of low IQ retards. i'd argue that Sup Forums is actually below average intelligence, considering acting like retards attracts actual retards that think they're in good company.

Nothing wrong with being rural. Not sure where you got that notion from my comments.

I prefer the company of people of IQs around 100 and 145 or higher. I have an active disdain for people in the 120-135 range who think they're hot shit.

I'm dying of a hangover right now though so I'm not operating very well at the moment.

Fun fact: Freddie Wong got a 1580 on his SAT (when it was out of 1600). Mastering Guitar Hero is the kind of thing people like him do for fun:

youtube.com/watch?v=Ua3hZXfNZOE

He now runs a popular YT show so I'm not doxing a private citizen.

It's all good man, we've all been impaired before. "Rural and suburban retards" is a reference to a meme and the other bullshit I typed was just a reference to what you said about people here just parroting shit people have heard while trying to hide it as critical thought.

For the most part, I agree with you. The only thing that gets me is your social pressure comment, which you state but then just kinda let it die only to bring it back at the end with no explanation.

Sup Forums is funny because it's filled with people who have a superior moral intuition and can sense bull shit from leftists in academia, but they often lack an ability to articulate it well. I know what it's like to get stuffed in arguments when I'm in a position of ignorance. I understand the impulse to say high IQ people are somehow bad when your only interaction with them is negative. Not fun being told your clear observations are wrong.

Looking back I knew a guy getting a PhD in philosophy who took advantage of my ignorance when I was a kid to push leftism on me in a discussion. He had no interest in helping me articulate my nascent arguments. He totally disregarded the principle of charity and that sticks with me. It wasn't lost on me that this guy was steps from being a PhD in philosophy and he wasn't even abiding by what I'd consider basic decency, all in service of politics. I learned quickly that intelligence alone isn't enough to win arguments, you need to actually know the subjects as well. It's just such complicated world that shit takes time.

Explain me then.

I had an iq of 130 when I was 11ish done professionally. I don't believe it is anywhere close to that anymore, I stopped reading and let my mind rot with video games and drugs.

Is there any way to improve IQ? Read a shitload, do puzzles - Sudoku etc, play chess and so on. I don't like this feeling that I'm getting stupider.

Oh, I mean the emperor has no clothes you can't talk about blacks and IQ and whatever else without losing your job.

Or not letting knee jerk emotional reactions stop your brain from functioning. Cognitive biases don't discriminate. I remember I used to feel my brain slowing down when I heard arguments I didn't like. I didn't like that so I forced myself to listen more intently, but I can just imagine people not doing that and going in the opposite direction.

>Explain me then.

This chink believes in the out of africa and global warming shit.
Seems like IQ is a meme or high IQ people are really stupid.

t. low tripple digit IQ guy

Am I making sense? I am delirious right now and my thoughts are fragmented. I haven't had alcohol in a while but I was celebrating last night. Aspirin for the headache, fine. But the cup of coffee has just made me shaky on top of it. Fuck drinking.

IIRC, there was a study done that said high IQ people fall for scams more often

Did you go to his blog? He has some good articles and then some pro-Soros ones. Extract all possible value from people like him and leave the shit behind. He linked to a free book on AI I found interesting.

You're making sense. The first sentence seemed odd, but it got the point across. You could've just narrowed it down to "cognitive biases don't discriminate and can undermine discussion/progression", but it was well said regardless.

Are you saying guitar hero is hard?

Thx.

I'm just writing all this to make my mind focus. It's helping.

Sudoku is hardly a puzzle - it can be solved algorithmically. It's just a chore. Just like rubik's cubes, once you've figured out the pattern it's just applying it ad infinitum. And sudoku doesn't even look impressive to idiots like rubik's does.

>Have you ever spent time with STEM graduates from Oxbridge / Harvard etc? These people are a higher form of life than most people. It's jarring to go from talking to them to talking to normal people (including Sup Forums if I'm brutally honest).

Honestly, in the most humble way possible, we are just really efficient learners. We can find and use information very quickly, forming cogent theories that pass academic muster in an interdisciplinary way. It's just an applied school of thought.

We're halfway to retarded when it comes to other personality traits - and 50% of us end up as unachieving wrecks because of the stress they put us through. I know so many social freaks from my Harvard PhD cohort - and Harvard ostensibly selects for leadership skills in addition to pure technical geekery (what MIT and Caltech solely look for)..

250+ leads to suicides and overall aging problems

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawking#Disability
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>IIRC, there was a study done that said high IQ people fall for scams more often
It would explain why so many fall for the college debt scam and the false song of globalism.

Yes.
We need more Blacked threads,more Islam is peaceful why you are not islam Sup Forums threads.

For example, not knowing what day of the month it is

>FTW seeing someone in harvard extended studies school trying to act like hes in actual hardvard

Hi Frank!

This so much. All IQ is testing for is your capacity to learn quickly.

>me not caring what you believe because I have an H-index of 12

A fucking leaf.

Yes. IQ changes over time for an individual. The best thing to do is find a subject you're interested and learn - information is everywhere for free now.

Some have pointed out the percentages on Sup Forums don't match population - one reason is those using internet IQ test instead of a professionally done tests.

For why high IQ people can be leftists, partly because they believe in expert opinion. They aren't experts in everything and think they should listen to experts in other fields which happen to be leftists.

Expat American, but sure

Wow same here except I'm five years younger. I'm very afraid of ending up like you both through my lack of drive and the the insanity of our post secondary education. Was that another problem for you? Noticing how education has turned more into propaganda than intellectualism.

Yes, although in my field you can mostly get away with certifications instead of an actual degree. But for a long time I bounced around mindless blue collar jobs (land surveying and butcher shop) before finding a wife (Canadian, hence expat) who can work while I finish up my various certs.

*point being that I can avoid school.

i think from what i read? im not 100% sure...
that ppl in STEM also commit the most suicides, especially in the medical field
very sad..

Is there a forum where only high IQ people are allowed to post?

What fields would you recommend if you don't mind my asking? I've always wanted to be studied in Ecology/Evolutionary studies but looking at class demographics recently it's probably not even slightly fulfilling. Plus jobs are kinda scarce cause people care more about muh Climate Change than the actually organisms that make up our planet.

MENSA lmao
Although it's an irl forum so you have to be slightly social.

Im a postdoc at an ivy league... had offers at caltech and other ivies.. we are not a different species at all, most of us are kinda dumb nowadays becsuse of affirmative action and quotas

They have to fool the masses. Even the smart ones. How else will they have people run their shit society?

Like height or penis size, extreme intelligence is hugely overrated if you don't have it. The hyperactivity of my mind is not a golden ticket. Given discipline and organization I could dump it all into something, but until now that double edge has cut mainly toward myself.

>High IQ Society
>Social

You'd do better going to a machine-learning Meetup group or a futurism society meeting.

This

Me and my sisters did very well on tests and they in school. Right around where you are I'd guess, clearly not genius level. I did not enjoy school. Gifted education is illegal here(any admission testing or "ability segregation").
I'm very interested in what it was like, overall. Going to a school with standards and intelligent students.

The stats are pretty clear on it.
I've a little anecdote about it, around when I was 14 we got a letter from mensa wanting money. There was a CD disk in it with one of these short preliminary IQ tests on it. Ended up passing the laptop around the room, everyone but mom took it and everyone passed it(only went to 98th percentile). That's one in about 15 trillion odds if it were all random, assuming it somewhat accurate of course.

>English Concentrator
>Submitted jungle-beat nursery rhymes as thesis
>received A- (basically a B- at other schools)

That kid is never going to get into a STEM PhD program.

I think that's taking it a little too far. If you go into maths or something similar you will not have a good time if you're not very smart. We had some education majors with us and that was good for a laugh now and then.
But IQ definitely won't tell you much of a person. It's just pattern recognition and ability to abstract. It's got jack shit to do with personality.

Deep diving into projects, perfectionism; boss is always trying to beat this out of me.

When people talk about how EQ is more important than IQ for real world, is that just a meme/coping mechanism for average people.
Honestly, it seems like the average person is equally good at reading emotions. I think it has to do with how good looking you are to manipulate emotions or get access more emotional info from a person.
Thoughts?

I mean on the internet.

So, since IQ cannot be raised post-natal, and is largely inheritable like height or penis size, should society euthanize or sterilize the lowest 10%? If so, how long do we keep going? At first it may be people with

That's not true. Are you good at rotating a 3D object mentally? Are you good at listening to a sequence of ten digits and reciting them back in reserve order? Are you good a slapping a button quickly after a light flashes on? All of those skills are highly g-loaded are correlate closely with IQ. You sound like you haven't read about the subject of intelligence.

Being in the top 2% doesn't mean much. Anyone who comes off as "bright" meets that threshold. It is far from a population of truly, strangely intelligent people who experience life differently from normies.

It taught standards. The teachers would heavily mark up my essays, fixing every out-of-place comma and providing real commentary on my thinkings. My college profs would barely comment at all, as it turned out. I would say the result of this kind of close scrutiny is that it burned away any desire to bullshit. No one at Lakeside bullshitted.

In the "real world" I'm continually stunned by how fraudulent (some) people's work is. When everyone around you is really smart, everyone can sniff out corner-cutting. In that sense, it was a healthy environment. No one dated, though. (Probably because we all commuted 45 minutes from different directions.)

You should go work for a boss who beats you less.

Why do some people believe IQ is an infallible measure for intellect, when people with higher IQ could not come up with a paradigm shifting theory of their own?
What about original thought? Which test measures that?
What test measures people who refuse to just agree with the mainstream?
If IQ is an accurate tool, why has the world gone to shit, listening to high IQ people?
These are the people, who have molded our world? Opinions?

IQ isn't a sufficient condition for original thought, but it's a necessary one.

I disagree.
Apparently you do too.
Your statement contradicts itself.

>Gifted education is illegal here(any admission testing or "ability segregation").
Just when I thought I couldn't dislike Sweden more than I do, you drop this gem.
Un-fucking-believable.
What the fuck is wrong with you people.

If everyone is to be equal, then they must be dragged to the common lowest denominator

Isn't a prerequisite of a high IQ being dependent on conformity, and complicity with mainstream views?

Yes iq is real and cool. But i would like to identify the precise common factor that those achievers, who are 80 percent high iq but 20 percent average, have in common.

Also, high iq means you are smart, not always right. Smart is like being fast more than knowing where to go.

It's disgusting and depressing that they fail to see a problem with this and the fact that the opposite approach is actually superior.
They'd rather shoot themselves in the foot in order to have "equality" than nurture talent that will ultimately improve society in a myriad different ways.
I know Serbia has always been a shithole compared to the rest of Europe, but the recent political developments in the West are just sad and economically detrimental.
Fuck Sweden.

>prerequisite
>dependent
>conformity
>complicity
>mainstream

Big words. Too bad they don't add up to anything.

High IQ, often means you're just really good at remembering what mainstream science, is wrong about.

>These people are a higher form of life than most people
Can confirm. Currently working for aerospace, and there are some genius level motherfuckers here.

You know I am right.
I know you do.

kek, all you have to do, is add IQ, to what you listed of my words, and even that proves my point.
It's still understandable.

Were there more jews than asians, or vice versa?

Thats not how evolution works.

They are more adapted to a niche. That niche has to both continue and expand for them to replace the average person. AI will end that niche. They wont be of any use.

I surrender.

They were each about a quarter of the class. Honestly, I've had to go back and retroactively identify some of the kids as being Jewish. Having Jewish friends and going to so many Bar Mitzvahs made it so that Jewishness has never seemed as "other" to me as it do to so many Sup Forumsacks.

I suppose you are white. What were some of you and your classmates most exceptional achievements? Were the Jews overall better academically than the Asians?

And what do you mean by 'vegged out'? Be a vegetable and do nothing?

How many wimynz?