Tá ár lá tagtha - United Ireland NOW!

Fuck all this gay bullshit about BRExit, but it does provide a unique opportunity to right the wrongs of history.

The reasons for the partition of Ireland might have been valid nearly a century ago when the Belfast docks were important militarily, but that is all dust and ash now.

Time for a new united Ireland to rise from the ashes, one in which all Irishmen are brothers.

That means turning our backs on the idiocies of both Protestantism and Catholicism.

A new secular constitution for a new secular country and get rid of all the shite from De Valera.

Lets move forward together as one United Ireland.

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fuck the irish i hope you do leave. take scotland with you England and Wales are the best.

That is if the northern Irish even want to be part of Ireland which I'm not sure they do.

On your first statement though what "wrongs"?
The Irish weren't oppressed as the meme would like you to think.

Éamon de Valera had the right idea.

>On your first statement though what "wrongs"?

Partition itself was a wrong, the British had no right to do that.

>Éamon de Valera had the right idea.

Does the constitution in its current form really fit the way the Irish (self included) live today? I'd argue that it was backwards looking and parochial even when it was first written.

A United Ireland needs a new constitution that reflects the Ireland (North and South) that exists today not in de Valera's time.

>reddit spacing
The constitution is the best thing he ever gave us.

Please explain your point, It was what we decided at the end of the war.
It being right or wrong(shape wise) is irrelevant, it was what we both decided for peace.

>idiocies of both Protestantism and Catholicism

>Please explain your point, It was what we decided at the end of the war.

No. It was a shitty agreement that was forced upon the Irish delegation on the basis of "Take it or leave it, but if you do it's war again".

Mike Collins and the delegation had no alternative to accept to save Irish lives, but in so doing he caused Civil War back home in Ireland which was what the British wanted.

Ireland as it is today sucks ass, I would rather have Northern Ireland annex the rest than see it suffer any more.

>idiocies of both Protestantism and Catholicism

Indeed, which is why a purely secular constitution (not an atheist one) is required for a modern United Ireland.

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nah fuck them , they had the chance to unify, they were asked and they said no, why now when it would be a huge economic burden in bad times.

my basic sympathy is with a united ireland but the orange community are an irritating bunch of whingers even now while they've got their partitioned state and precious union. can't imagine their reaction to unification and would rather let the next generation have the task of dealing with them in UI than go thru it myself. irish community in the north also have their own massive problems. at this point the border has everyone inside it so institutionalized and neurotic that, for their own and everyone else's benefit, they're better off partitioned together.

>Ireland as it is today sucks ass, I would rather have Northern Ireland annex the rest than see it suffer any more.

You'd really want to inflict YET ANOTHER CIVIL WAR on Ireland. You must really hate the Irish (North and South) to want that bro.

>The Irish weren't oppressed as the meme would like you to think.

you committed genocide

>the orange community are an irritating bunch of whingers

They are a minority within a minority.

Since the British caused this problem with the partition of Ireland then they should bear the cost, even if this means compensating the rabid Protestants and moving them to Scotland or England where they can feel more at home.

I'm not saying they should be forced to go, but rather that those who desire to go should be enabled and compensated by the British government.

You can secularise the constitution through referenda, you don't need a new one. Either way it's a wasted effort and largely meaningless.

>you committed genocide

Since before Cromwell, not just the recent troubles.

It wasn't us who took northern Ireland away, they themselves chose to opt out of becoming part of free Ireland.
We both gave them the right to do by the anglo-irish treaty if they wished which they did.

To put it simply they could have joined Ireland but chose not to.

>You can secularise the constitution through referenda, you don't need a new one.

What I am saying is don't have it as the South taking over the North, but rather the formation of an entirely new country from the ground up.

Sure there would be costs, but those costs should be born by the British.

You talk of Genocide paddy? That's fucking rich.

The Irish wiped out thousands of Highland Scots and Northumbrians and taking them as slaves or burning their ships.

It's not our fault the Irish are famous for a glass jaw, unable to take as they'd like to give.

Or do you forget your revered Saint Patrick was a Northumbrian who was captured and sold into SLAVERY.

You inbred paddies know fucking nothing about your own history beyond "MUH TROUBLES"

Nah, forming a new state just means acceding to silly unionist demands like demoting the status of Irish or extra gibs. Join the republic or bust.

>It wasn't us who took northern Ireland away, they themselves chose to opt out of becoming part of free Ireland.

That was just bogus posturing by Carson and Craig and the Ulster Covenant lot. The British could have just ignored it, but chose not to because it served their own interests not to.

Lots of propaganda about that whole issue of "Ulster choosing".

>Those costs should be born by the British
>We literally are your ONLY trade partner ever and we pay out of the nose for Northern Irelands infastructure.

How about this, you inbred wife beating shitter, You Irish want to have a little ball-fondling together? Fine. But we Scots, We English, We Welsh, We'll go and leave you to fondle your balls while you sing sweet hymns about it, But we will never give you anything, and will never look east at your deformed potato Ireland.

Tell me, what rights did you not have that the rest of the British did?

The Irish famine was not genocide.
If there's something else than that then tell me?

>unionists chimp out and threaten to oppose democratic vote by the majority of people in Ireland for home rule
>start volunteer force that the british army supplies weapons to
>brits back down
>Irish start a volunteer force as well
>british stop the guns coming in
>british eventually fight and lose war because they held back on home rule for so long after the vote
really makes you think

Us Scots are making a U-turn while Ireland isn't. Fuck you, you pillock.

You think that we wouldn't love it if northern Ireland fucked off.

No more putting up with all the shit in ni

No more land boarder between the UK and Europe

No more paying for that shit non country.

Ni doesn't want to be a part of a bankrupt, inbred nation that's Merkels bitch.

>The Irish famine was not genocide.

What about Drogheda?

Yeah, We should have just conquered Ireland again and forced you people to actual be civilized.

>butthurt island

Free Ireland did not own the northern Irish government and had no right to take it if northern Ireland didn't want to be taken.
Hence free Ireland did not take northern Ireland.

Part of the British Civil War?

Or are you forgetting ENGLISH Royalists died side by side with Irishmen there.

Typical Irish Selfishness.

you stole the food...

>secular constitution
Don't do it bro nothing good will come of it
T country that made this mistake

Ah yes "Stole the food" is that what your schools teach you now?

The Entire British isles had the same fucking rules as Ireland, it's just all the Catholic Farmers were stupid as the muck they grew the potatos in and didn't handle their crops right.

Northern Ireland had a local government, it had it's own right as a individual sector.

You mean the Cromwellian conquest, that's a bit far back don't you think?

To be fair agricultural sciences hadn't progressed to the point where they knew cloning plants was a bad idea at the time of the famine

penal laws not officially repealed until 1920, not being able to use our language in any form if you wanted to work (this is why people changed their names to anglicized versions of them and taught their children English), the education system designed to kill our culture and anglicize us further, and the bad conditions for the majority of people under landlords who were mostly absentees, to name a few

>Yeah, We should have just conquered Ireland again and forced you people to actual be civilized.

Time and again you tried, from Henry VIII, through Cromwell, King Billy (spit) and the rest, you've never managed to achieve what you claim will be easy.

Same rhetoric every time from that day to this and always the same result, English blood on Irish fields and the armies retreat back home to England again with their tail between their legs.

You can win battles with the might of English armies, but you could never force the Irish into subjugation, which is what you wanted.

You even tried economic warfare (which is what led to the potato famine), but even the English realised how fucked up that was.

Are you complaining about barbary raids? The Picts weren't genocided, their culture became Gaelic. Patrick wasn't a Northumbrian. Northumbrians also raided Ireland during a similar time frame.

dank meme there

Oh yeah it's not like we stole food from our own English farmers as well.

i was educated abroad, we are all taught about the numerous British genocides.

australia, india , ireland.

re ireland, you stole the agricultural produce.

i dont think the british govt even denies this anymore.

they called it a potato famine but the potato is South American so that doesn't make sense

Irelands about to have a gay indian as its first minister. But fuck the Brits right?

>Part of the British Civil War?

That would be the English Civil War.

Typical of the English trying to smear the blame.

>Northern Ireland had a local government
when do you think that was established?
Northern Ireland didn't exist as an entity until 1920 after the things I've stated happend
>it had it's own right as a individual sector.
false

when?

>You mean the Cromwellian conquest, that's a bit far back don't you think?

Many think the English fucking over the Irish is a new thing, but they've been doing the same time and again since ancient times.

That was the point I was making. I think that it justifies the English picking up the tab for partition since that was entirely their fault.

Ireland is becoming just another leftist secular shithole. A whole nation of drunk atheists ranting about Christianity while Muslims flood in, bloody depressing

During the Potato famine you fucking retard.

It's not Englands fault you fucking Paddies were too stupid and too cheap to vary your produce.

The English didn't FORCE you to only grow potatos.

> Absentee landlord takes all the fucking decent produce
> live on potato says he
> Potato blight
> Not my fault Paddy

Fucking typical English attitude. I hope you all get dick cancer.

Indeed, we gave them the right half way through the war due to it still being our territory.
You should have surmounted a proper army rather than using gorilla tactics if you didn't want us to do such a thing.

The laws that lead to the famine were also applied to English, welsh and Scottish farmers, to put it simple the Irish were unlucky enough that they were more effected by those laws.

I might've thought that if Drogheda was part of northern Ireland.

>Blaming the English for one irresponsible english elite.

then why didn't millions of farmers die with nothing to eat?
>It's not Englands fault you fucking Paddies were too stupid and too cheap to vary your produce.
small plots of land were better suited to potatoes than anything else afaik, and the vast majority were on tiny plots trying to get their subsistence

You sound mighty cocksure while posting with a union Jack.

You know what's funny about you Paddies? You're the architects of your own fucking destruction every fucking time. Want to know why?

Because you're the most tribalistic fucks in existence. One of the greatest British heroes of all time, Duke Wellington, Is Irish. He is seen as a Paragon of the British ideal, United Isles of culture and brotherhood.

But to you Paddies? Oh he's an ((Anglo))-Irish and deserves no respect. You think you're all these pureblooded Gaelic sons and daughters, when you're Mongrols of Celts, Anglos, Vikings and everything else like the rest of the Isles. But that's not good enough for you is it Paddy?

Heaven forbid the Englishman over the Sea bled against Cromwell too, or that they starved and died in Famine also.

You irish rail against all of God's creation at the mere thought that the Englishman or the Scot is your brother.

>I might've thought that if Drogheda was part of northern Ireland.

There's no such thing as "Northern Ireland", it's just a polite fiction that you pretend is real.

There is only Ireland and that includes the 6 counties still under English occupation.

>Blaming the English for one irresponsible english elite.

It wasn't though, all of the absentee English landlords behaved exactly the same and did exactly the same in India with the same fucking result (different time, different crop, same attitude, same result)

To attempt to deny that is just fucking feeble.

>You sound mighty cocksure while posting with a union Jack.

Since I live in occupied territory, there isn't much I can do about it. But I have an Irish passport and not an English one.

Just waiting for the fucking day.

>Indeed, we gave them the right half way through the war due to it still being our territory.
a war started because you refused to give home rule for nearly a century to a people who obviously wanted it and democratically voted for it
what I said still applies, the British backed down in the face of Unionist aggression but staunchly opposed the mandate of the Irish people

What bullshit are you spreading? the Irish Catholics owned the farms in Ireland and they made fucking BANK all throughout.

You know why Millions didn't die in England Paddy? Because we didn't Grow Potatos. Places like Ireland Grew Leeks, Places in Somerset had orchids instead, Places like Yorkshire grew Rhubard and Turnips. But they all still starved, It's just the Irishmen cries loudest.

You want to know the biggest irony ever? Behind America, the second place everyone immigrated to was ENGLAND, and they faced less stigma there than they did in America.

The Landlords weren't English though, they were Irish.

>Look east
Wat

Actually, if you knew your own history you stupid paddy fuck, you'd understand Parliment were constantly trying to push through Irish Home rule but Scotland fucking hated the idea and Ireland was constantly in a mixed state because it would mean the Irish landowners would have less power.

I meant west, crime of passions leaf.

Is "reddit spacing" synonoymous with (correctly) splitting different thoughts into paragraphs? No one has really been able to give a definition of what it is or why it is something to criticize yet as far as I can tell.

>The Landlords weren't English though, they were Irish.

Since there was no such thing as Ireland at the time that is a pretty slippery statement. Sure they might have been born on the Island of Ireland, but they were born in English occupied castles on English occupied lands.

This is no difference from the children born on the British bases of Akrotiri and Dhekelia who are British despite being born physically on Cyprus.

I make no more distinction than that.

>There is only Ireland and that includes the 6 counties still under English occupation.
Now that is some feels based reasoning if I've ever seen it.

Key timeline;

While Ireland was still British territory we separate local nation rights for the northern Ireland area and gave them a local government so they can have the right to choose if they want to stay with us.

The Anglo Irish war then ends a year later.

The Northern Irish(Individuals in their own right) decide to stay part of Britain.


Key point;

No other Irish have the right to dictate what the northern Irish want, and if you a northern Irishman want to be part of southern Ireland, vote for it next time round.

>the Irish Catholics owned the farms in Ireland and they made fucking BANK all throughout.
this is a complete and utter lie, most farmers were tenants to British landlords and would've barely made past subsistence level
>You know why Millions didn't die in England Paddy?
no, it wouldn't make sense that they didn't, since apparently the food was taken as you state
>Places like Ireland Grew Leeks, Places in Somerset had orchids instead, Places like Yorkshire grew Rhubard and Turnips.
but weren't they taken, as you said?
>But they all still starved, It's just the Irishmen cries loudest.
ah so they starved but didn't die
what are you on about you absolute spastic

>you'd understand Parliment were constantly trying to push through Irish Home rule but Scotland fucking hated the idea
that's wrong though, Scotland would have no say, Home Rule was just blocked by the veto of the House of Lords until WWI broke out
>Ireland was constantly in a mixed state
wrong, the majority of people voted for home rule
you haven't a clue about our history you retard

Nobody will tell you what it is because people prefer it when you give yourselves away.

>While Ireland was still British territory

Have you fucking heard yourself? Seriously?

You just can't help the innate colonialism can you? The Eternal Anglo lives on.

So we're to blame not telling you lot something obvious?
The obvious factor being that you shouldn't rely on one resource as you're fucked if that resource becomes useless.

"British territory" as in it's owned by all British citizens, including Irish, why are you segregating yourself.

Before the war you were as British as the rest of us.

>While Ireland was still British territory we separate local nation rights for the northern Ireland area and gave them a local government so they can have the right to choose if they want to stay with us.
after they vowed to oppose the democratic ruling of the Irish people in a general election by force yes, you backed down and gave in for them, but opposed the will and mandate of the Irish people
I assume you're replying to the wrong post in your befuddled state of mind but I've explained that already
Irish farmers couldn't grow anything else, potatoes were the best option economically and practically for the plots of land they had, and they didn't have the ability to presage the future where a blight came and wiped out the crop

Have you tried actually learning your own history without looking through a "MUH ENGLISH" lens?

Guess not, because you'd know the Catholics were the second largest and second richest demographic in Ireland behind the Anglo-Irish who owned a majority of the FLEETS and MERCHANTRY who the Catholic still had huge claims in.

I mean your sheer stupidity is shown in volumes

>Other places had specialist food but managed to survive
>OH WHY ARE POTATOES DYING IN A POTATO BLIGHT

Just, fucking hell, Learn your own History you crying paddy.

The absentee English landlords took everything which was saleable as part of extortionate land rents, the only thing that was left was the potatoes which grew in the back gardens of the hovels.

Your viewpoint is shatteringly ignorant, yet unsurprising as this has been the attitude of the English since time immemorial.

>Irish farmers couldn't grown anything else

Turnips. Besides the Midwest Ireland was literally the most fertile and OPEN of all farmland in the British isles.

Are you this shit at knowing your own countries geography? Or do you think all of England is Somerset and the evil English wanted to kill off the Irish because.... reasons.

>He thinks the Irish were badly done to under Irish rule.
>When during the British rule, Ireland had a higher wage and quality of life than Northern England because it was the gateway to America for Britain.

You know for a time, Dublin and Belfast earned more money in gross trade than London and Liverpool?

>the evil English wanted to kill off the Irish because.... reasons.

They wanted to kill off the Irish because they were belligerent and wouldn't be subjugated as the Indians had been, but this in turn threatened the Empire and the vast riches that flowed from it into English coffers, so basically "Yes".

>You know for a time, Dublin and Belfast earned more money in gross trade than London and Liverpool?

Yes it ended up in the Bank vaults of London didn't it? Because it certainly wasn't spent in Ireland or on the Irish was it?

>befuddled state of mind

Now now, don't be a cunt.
Yes I made a mistake somehow when citing my response.

>Irish farmers couldn't grow anything else, potatoes were the best option economically and practically for the plots of land they had, and they didn't have the ability to presage the future where a blight came and wiped out the crop

Okay then how would we have stopped the famine then?

You call me ignorant yet have ignored that the same extortion was seen by farmers everywhere, including in England.

>unsurprising as this has been the attitude of the English since time immemorial.
And here comes the bigotry.
Why is it that most of you people that so die hardly want to leave generalise so much?

>Guess not, because you'd know the Catholics were the second largest and second richest demographic in Ireland behind the Anglo-Irish who owned a majority of the FLEETS and MERCHANTRY who the Catholic still had huge claims in.
well there weren't many demographics they were competing with
not sure how that's relevant to my post where I proved you wrong on subjects not at all related to this one you're bringing up now though
>>Other places had specialist food but managed to survive
managed to survive because their food wasn't taken from them in a blight of crops they grew, and for the ones that grew potatoes, they had aid quickly at hand from the government to prevent mass starvation and death
you're talking out your hole

>Turnips.
would you stop talking like you've a clue about the situation a poor Irish farmer would have been in during the early 19th century
hurr durr just fish hurr durr grow something else
do you not think that would have occurred to them had it been an option?
but it wasn't, potatoes were a subsistence crop that you could feed an entire family on and maintain a relatively OK nutrition, oats were already being grown in Leinster by bigger farmers so it wasn't economically viable to grow oats to sell as you'd be out-competed, but potatoes were in high demand and could grow in poorer soil that poorer farmers were often situated on, so it was the essentially the only option if they wanted to A) Live healthily, maintain a healthy diet, and feed their family; and B) be able to turn enough of a profit to pay their landlord so they weren't evicted

>Okay then how would we have stopped the famine then?
there was no stopping the blight, it was a natural occurrence
what could have been done was the government could have not taken food away during a famine when people were starving and not limited aid to private institution and charities like the Quakers

>You call me ignorant yet have ignored that the same extortion was seen by farmers everywhere, including in England.

So what you are saying is that the same absentee English landlords that fucked over the Irish also fucked over their English tenants as well because they were just Tory cunts.

Well, yes, obviously I do accept that, but what has that got to do with the price of eggs?

I think I see the problem here. you're assuming every landown and rich man in Ireland was "English"

Most of the landowners in Ireland were either Catholic Irish, or Anglo-Irish. Now as much as you Paddies hate it, the Anglo-irish had a good 5 generations in by the time all these problems kicked off.

I mean, do you actually know the truth behind why Ireland was ever under English and Scottish rule to begin with?

Fuck, tea thread

>there was no stopping the blight, it was a natural occurrence
>what could have been done was the government could have not taken food away during a famine when people were starving and not limited aid to private institution and charities like the Quakers

Totally agree 1,000%

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Tell the north to fuck off and take their ulsters with them back to England.
Ireland is catholic. Fuck off secularism. Fuck off prods. Fuck the Dutch.

>Fuck, tea thread

Wut?

Can't wait until Ireland unifies and we (Scotland) leave.

Only then will the English maybe realise they have no fucking culture, no heritage left and their arrogance and patriotism is built purely on insecurities based on said facts.

I just feel bad for Wales for being even more deluded than England at this point. I really wish we could just spray something into the air to make them feel proud of their country again.

Actually, Potatos CAN'T be grown in poor soil, Turnips can.

Potatos were grown because they grown all year round, absolutely love rich soil with tons of water and don't need much sunlight.

That's why they were grown in ireland, which has outstanding Soil quality, but it's generally saturated.

Places like Yorkshire were ironically spared a Potato Famine because the soil quality is worse.

>Actually, Potatos CAN'T be grown in poor soil, Turnips can.
"After 1810, another new breed of potato was introduced by farmers in the south-west. Called the Lumper Potato, it required little manure and could tolerate poorer soils."
"The Irish Lumper is a varietal white potato of historic interest. It has been identified as the variety of potato whose widespread cultivation throughout Ireland, prior to the 1840s, is implicated in the Irish Great Famine in which an estimated 1 million died."
"The 'Irish Lumper' is noted for its ability to flourish on garden beds that are poor in nutrients, wet-footed, or both."

you haven't a clue

True but we were a single nation so I can only imagine the British government were against favouritism.

Either way this seems like an argument not to blame the English but to blame Bureaucrats.

I wouldn't know about eggs, possibly local markets raising prices due to higher demand.

>Actually, Potatos CAN'T be grown in poor soil, Turnips can.

Trying to teach the Irish (and here I defer to my colleague from the free South) about potatoes and the potato famine is like trying to teach your grandmother to suck eggs Anglo.

>we were a single nation

We weren't a single nation, we were an occupied one.

>Mix up your Suburban agriculture with your professional Agriculture
>Die
>Complain it was the English fault.

Tell me then, How did places like Yorkshire and Scotland survive?

Tell us, do you have a job Plastic Paddy?

we were never a nation together, a nation is its people and the Irish people are (or at least were, sadly) distinct to the British

Distinct how exactly?

Genetically, you were as much mongrels as the rest of the isles.

Hell, you even contributed to that by raping Scotland a few times.