Julius Caesar. Hero, or villain?

Julius Caesar. Hero, or villain?

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>Hero
anyone who disagrees should be killed

Pagans are always whining about the Northern Crusades and how many Germanics were killed but when you bring up Caesar they all jizz themselves and talk about how great he is so which one is it faggots is he bad or are Christians good for slaughtering your people?

Hero.

He was the last chance Rome had. After him everything went to shit.

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The question is better directed towards Augustus

Julius Putin

SuperHero

Villain. Anyone who disagrees isn't white.

Wat? Do you even know the history of Rome? Rome did not go to shit after him. Yeah they had a civil war, but they got better.

Still a hero though.

Hero.
The decadent, privileged senate was destroying the Roman state. The people needed a strong, moral leader to lead them back onto the part of greatness.
Thankfully his nephew Octavian succeed where Caesar failed.

power hungry cuck of the highest calibre

Go to a /his/.

In what way? Augustus is an even more obvious hero than Julius

t.conquered

Arrogance aside, look at what he fucking accomplished, with what he had at his disposal.

Christians killed Germanics because of religion, Roman didn't. but whining about it is gay and not pagan.

Caesar or Augustus which one do you prefer?

He did exactly what the Roman nobles feared and turned the Republic from an aristocratic based leadership to a hegemony ruled by a single man. Some would argue destroying the best example of democracy in the ancient world is a bad move.

>Wat? Do you even know the history of Rome? Rome did not go to shit after him. Yeah they had a civil war, but they got better.
Nah, went to shit. After him it pretty much ran on momentum. In the early republic, everyone was a farmer, and the senators would fight in the front line. Late Republic and Empire only survived on the strength of the institutions created during early republic and sheer size.

Julius Caesar.

Neither. His importance is that his name and legacy enabled Augustus.

Hero, no contest.

Villain.
He helped the subvertion of the republic and destroyed the last straw of roman morality (aka "mos maiorum", morals of the elders).
Although the situation was already compromised by Mario, the triumvirate destroyed the last standing columns of roman society and bribed the lower classes into supporting their regime.

Hero of republics. Enemy of aryans and a war criminal by today's standards. Must have been a neat time.

You could argue that or you could argue that everyone fucking loved Augustus which is why he managed to stay in power for 40 years and that he was an incredible and benevolent leader who brought about the Pax Romana
>muh monarchy is bad
kys pleb

Hero. Basically he (physically) removed the entire roman cuckservative establishment.

lawful evil.

This guy was a cuck. He was a feminist by those days standards. He did some good though. Augustus is way better though.

Without doubt the men who forged Rome after the monarchy were of a higher calibre than the ones who came after, but they fucking conquered gaul under Caesar. Conquered most of Britain, took over the entire mediterainian, if that's running on vapor, then give me some of them vapors.

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No wonder why corruption became rampant and basically led to the disintegration of the empire on the long run. Concentrating power isn't a smart move even by today's standards.

calling him the cause that led to the disintegration of the empire in the long run is just like claiming Charlemagne and Holy Roman Emperor led to Hitler and the third reich

>muh monarchy is great
>hur dur everyone loved him therefore everything he did is great
>what are the failed and corrupt regimes of every single emperor that was not one of the five good emperors

Fuck off. Augustus was a demagogue who took advantage of the times and hung on to power through military subversion of the aristocracy and bread and circuses. Nothing more and nothing less. The fact that he established a monarchy based system was the ultimate downfall of Rome regardless of his reign or his direct successors. Rome would have been infinitely better off as a republic than the abortion of morality it became in the immediate four hundred years after Augustus' death.

>Holy Roman Emperor
*Empire

>Hero or villain?
Why not both?

But is that really true though, hmm?

Rome fell because of (((integration))) of foreigners

>Modern French LARPing as gauls
Today France has more roman blood than gaul blood.

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Well ceasar won fair and square, being the harder man.

Also I dont like him, since he always only worked in his own interest and not in the interest of the state.

I would have liked him ruling rome at the end though. Imagine what such an able man could have done to the empire if he hadnt been assassinated.

>gauls
>not blacks
nice try cracka.

Heroic Villain

Democracy is trash you fag just look at our modern world.

is it just me or does Caesar look like Putin?

kek

Goscinny is a genius.

We were lucky that this polish guy decided to live in France.

antihero

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this. it gives cucks too much power.

As much as I want to say villain because he played the fuck out of Rome's system to stay in power and start a dynasty, he was legitimately one of the best things to happen to them, so hero.

Hard to tell.
On one hand he did end up destroying the republic.
On the other hand he was trying to reform it since it devolved in an oligarchy where the plebes had no power or drive.
Maybe if he would have succeded in the senate the world would have been different today.
Definitelly a populist though.

But the republic did.

I just finished listening to the Dan Carlin fall of the roman republic. It was excellent and gives you an idea what led to Julius Caesar bringing his army into rome and becoming dictator for life.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, known commonly as Sulla. He plays an important part along with Gaius Marius

>Dan Carlin
scrub

I listen to it all it was great!

His podcasts are boring, drawn our, and superficial.

The reason it sucks is that it gives money too much power. Democracy is the regime of banks, corporations and the (((ruling elite))).

you are drawn out!

Julius killed the republic. Fuck him.

This comic is good because it portrays Caesar as the idiot he was

Both. Marius & Sulla's purges had destroyed most of Rome's great men. The Senate was a shadow of its former greatness, and most every aspect of Roman life had features of corruption (particularly the courts).

Fuck it - not writing an essay for Sup Forums.
TL;DR
Sic Semper Tyrannis, but he had legit reasons.

No he didn't, you idiot.

He was trying to save it, the senators killed him and then installed an emperor to protect theri class interests. The senate killed the republic, because Ceasar wanted to enforce the laws on them.

>Essentially declared himself king
>He was trying to save it
This is how stupid Caesar supporters are.

Now they are gone, and their envoronment is arid, and the Italians are mulatoes. Most of their culture is forgotten and their legacy was centuries of feudalism.

>Sic Semper Tyrannis
>killed by bankers and landowners robbing the population
Tyrants are mortal enemies of the oligarchs. Which one is better is up to you.

Rome was better off under democracy

Oligarchs, without question.

Source:
Republic of Venice

>Senators were bankers in ancient Rome
Ok.

Given your flag, I'd like to hear your opinion on oligarchy vs. tyranny.

Rome NEVER had a democracy in our modern conception.

Even in the "assemblies of the people," the upper middle and upper classes had 2/3 of the voting power.

Universal suffrage is a very modern idea; it would be considered insane in ancient times.

Rome was never "a democracy" you pleb.

Wow, grow up

It was still democratic. Idiots. It was founded on Greek democratic principles. They hated kings and monarchy, until Caesar came and ruined everything.