I seriously think Putin is the good guy...

I seriously think Putin is the good guy. I really believe he wants to end the war in Syria and stop the madness in the Middle East. I believe it when someone reported that he was genuinely emotionally moved at Gaddafi's murder. I think the Trump Putin relationship conspiracy is absolut bullshit made up by Clinton and democrats because they are horrible losers and will do anything to come into power.
I believe Putin when he says he wants to better relations between Russia and Europe and Russis and USA.

So what the fuck is up with the Ukraine? Why did he invade it? He would have to know there would be sanctions and that it destroys the relations to Europe. It ruins everything and I can never find an argument to defend that. Especially with his bullshit lies about russian soldiers not being in the Ukraine.
What's the deal with that?

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>putin is a good guy
You are retarded, he is corrupt piece of shit

He's not the good guy, he's just the less evil imperialist.

Except they aren't in Ukraine the Russians just wanted Crimea and that's it

Putin specifically called out the edgelords here, user
You're not an edgelord, are you?

>putin funds the communist party
>not the bad guy

>why did russia get something back that was historically part of their country anways and has huge geopolitical significance for them after an anti russian/pro western coup?
gee i wonder why. I'm sure the british would be fine with loosing scapa flow after a pro russian coup in scotland

Brave Russian

Russia has fought for a warm water port for centuries.

NATO is not a defense union. Missile defense systems are very similar to missile attack systems. Check US military installations vs Russian military installations over the last 30 years.

Euromaidan and the Arab Spring protests are very similar. They're the same technique

Connect the dots, read a book from the Sup Forums archive and lurk more

Dafuq are you on about cunt?

The fuck should I lurk for? Noone on this board ever talks about the Ukraine, why do you think I made this thread?

you're just an underage jobless faggot
obviously putin is the good guy, always has been

Yeah, of course you know better, you fucking nigger. You are not even living here

what's there to talk about in ukraine, it was another by-the-book CIA operation, for hte benefit of select jews

also cockholes supported by west, got rekt by separatists supported by russia, and putin flawlessly annexed an island

>oh vey evil Putin is invading the Ukraine goy
actually he was protecting Russians living in the Ukraine, the single largest minority in the country, after the EU failed to do any fucking thing in wake of the overthrown government and riots turning ugly
whoever thinks the Ukraine wasn't under material law during this time is a fucking foul

The board discusses current affairs and shitposts because everyone knows the basics.

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Russia lusts after a warm water port. Nothing more, nothing less.

>So what the fuck is up with the Ukraine? Why did he invade it? He would have to know there would be sanctions and that it destroys the relations to Europe. It ruins everything and I can never find an argument to defend that. Especially with his bullshit lies about russian soldiers not being in the Ukraine.
What's the deal with that?

Americans did a coup.

Crimea is vital to all systems of defense of Russia.

Americans subverted the rules of democracy because they lost the democratic way (the Orange revolution failed).

Putin realized that Americans wanted to expand in Eastern Europe democracy or not, thus behaved exactly the same way.

Just like there are a shit ton of Russian soldiers in East Ukraine, there is or there was a shit ton of Neocons, CIA and FBI agents in Ukraine.
Brennan visited Kiev during the ''Maidan'' events. So did Graham, McCain, Nuland. Soros openly admitted he organized the revolution via Open Society.

If a great power refuses to react to attacks against it's interests it undermines it's status as a great power. See obama's red line. For Russia interference in ukraine politics by EU/US is a red line. It was crossed, the most cost efficient reaction that secures all russian interests was a combination of annexation of crimea and support of the rebellious sentiment, and later the rebellion with tools necessary to keep it going thus guaranteeing that Ukraine is no longer stable enough for economic investment by the West, and as such is a geopolitical liability rather than an asset. The only benefits west was able to extract from the results of Maidan was migrants and weakening of russian economy, both useful but nowhere as useful as ukraine would have been in 2013 condition. Add utterly inept and corrupt government in charge and the fact that russia is extracting even more labour from ukraine it was a decent retaliatory action. On the other hand the fact that in 15 years he failed to get ukraine under any semblance of control beyond deals with this or that government, is a black mark on Putin's otherwise impressive record.

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So America just wants endless wars for money but Russia totally doesn't at all? Sure lol.

> boo hoo, I don't have a job, PUTIN!!!!

kill yourself, or go help your mother wash the floors you useless dickpull

nobody invaded ukraine, russian troops were there from the beginning since 91

crimea was taken away because it has only warm water port in sevastopol losing which would mean that russia is no longer a naval power

donetsk and lugansk just want to get away from ukraine because they are russians who are being forcefully ukrainized and putin supported them till recently to secure crimea

rip

>So what the fuck is up with the Ukraine? Why did he invade it?

His country fell apart and a huge piece of it that had been part of Russia for hundreds of years was suddenly gone. He wants it back.

Putin lived through what so many of us here fear for our own countries; their collapse and dismemberment. If a big slice of Australia decided it wanted to be independent and then join some political union led by China, I sure as hell wouldn't consider it legitimate.

putin never invaded ukraine

its literally what happened to initiate WW2 with the treaty and poland

>ukraine forcibly created with a mash of multiple cultures and ethnics

>minority of people are ethnically russian and speak russian
>forced to live under persecution and racial threats
>referendem happens where people choose if they wish to suceed from ukraine and rejoin russia or stay with ukraine and try and mimmic european culture and religion

>people choose russia
>government rages and prevents supplies and support to crimea
>crimeans cry and ask for russian help
>putin rolls up in tanks n armoured vehicles to crimea because of the peoples pleas
>he says that he doesnt want any trouble
>doesnt attack once and only evacuates crimeans to russia
>ukraine gets pissy as fuck because they were shown to be bitches
>ukraine trys to start a bunch of crypto war false flags that russians were using artys and tank barrages to random areas
>get called out
>provoke russians by attacking their vehicles with small arms
>russians dont budge or return fire
>obama charges im claiming russia invaded unkraine and is shoving his way in the arguement without anyone asking

>all of nato/eu military ect dont see it as a big deal

>usa across the map chooses to step in
>obama pissy like a little girl when us citizens call him out after he sends trumps to poland

pic related look at crimea size
they are almost 100% russian and this is just like the prussian and bohemian deutschers that got fucked in poland

TLDR: its not a invasion and to call it that is spreading propaganda

>I seriously think Putin is the good guy. I really believe he wants to end the war in Syria and stop the madness in the Middle East.
How did you become this delusional?

So is every world leader.

This

because novorussia is rightful russian clay

putin was actually asked by the syrian government to help fight isis

the USA was never personally asked and we tried to over throw them by trying to kill assad

atleast try and learn a bit before you post shill

More like good goy.

Why the fuck is captcha always bridges lately?

yet (for example) "every" world leader (the relevant ones) somehow still managed to parrot this bullshit climate change rhetoric especially after Trump's decision

what did Putin do? told everyone to calm down, like you would expect from a politician

these moments aren't rare for him either, he's always being a smartass when at a summit or some such meeting

youtube.com/watch?v=w3Z_rb3KAoY

Кoнeчнo пpoкcи, тyт жe блять paй зeмнoй, нeдoвoльных быть нe мoжeт.
I have a job, you mong. How the fuck hating on corruption correlates with not having a job?

Don't lie to me, faggot. EVERYONE knows that the "corruption" problem is ALWAYS seeded with the "people". Who is it offering bribes in Russia? Who is offering fat-ass bribes, pretty much non-stop? I can promise you, it's not the fucking politicians, that's for sure.

A russian gf even had a saying that she told me which kind of does make sense, that is if you're not some liberal kiddo willing to see how people can be for legitimate reasons.

> they give, you take; they take, you run

Now instead of calling for controlled opposition "revolutions" on the grounds of "corruption", how about you try to make your country a better place? But we all know you won't be doing that, since you're a massive faggot.

Kill yourself, you're worthless.

wtf persecution are you talking about?

Eastern Ukraine was historically Ukrainian culture, it became russian after russian settlers replaced Ukrainians killed in the bolshevik made famine

please dont do that to spain

Дaжe в Китae кoppyпцию нe yдaлocь зaдaвить, и этo пpи их-тo нaкaзaниях. И никтo, блядь, нe cмoжeт. Дaжe ты нaвepнякa бы в кapмaн миллиoнчик пoлoжил. Oдин хyй жe вopyют, дa?

>So what the fuck is up with the Ukraine? Why did he invade it? He would have to know there would be sanctions and that it destroys the relations to Europe. It ruins everything and I can never find an argument to defend that. Especially with his bullshit lies about russian soldiers not being in the Ukraine.
>What's the deal with that?

What the fuck do you think? It's the glaring inconsistency in your glowing assessment of him. He's clearly not "the good guy".

also your forgetting the part where the entire uprising in crimea was orchestrated by putin's cronies.

And whats this bull shit about Ukranians trying to provoke russian soldiers? Not even RT publishes retarded claims like that.

>the buttblasted Analny supporter hipster faggot Russian itt

>>people choose russia
>>government rages and prevents supplies and support to crimea
>>crimeans cry and ask for russian help

The """referendum""" took place after Russian troops took over Crimea the place you shameless, shameless liar and shill.

Fuck off.

We're kinda in Ukraine sometimes, helping rebels when shit gets tough. Still it's ukranians who celebrate death of civilians and call for food blockade of the region so fuck them, we're definitely the good guys there.

There are no good politicians.
Except Frank Franz.:^)

Post-Soviet republics are not legitimate states, Ukraine least of them all.

>CIA orchestrates revolution in Ukraine
>b-but muhh Putin made everyone in Crimea like Russia, how dare he?

> russian troops took over crimea

russia was allowed to keep 20k troops stationed on the peninsula as per the agreement they signed with ukraine, there was no invasion

if you unironically think that crimeans wouldn't vote to join russia, you're lying to yourself and to everyone

> don't get bombed up by ukraine
> join russia, something you've been trying to do multiple times already

>Russian troops took over Crimea
They were always there

If Russia is so bad, why isn't the country in ruins?

> in before they also have ghettos

Seems that the old baby boomer U.S. politics are the main issue here, a mass of sickly individuals who want to stir up war in order to divert the attention away from themselves as for being the corrupt and awful people they really are.

>we're definitely the good guys there

lol fucking delusional, war would have been over years ago if it weren't for the Russians

We actually don't have ghettos.

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wow a smart german.... are you planning to move or die in germany?

also how the fuck did you forget that NATO was trying to put a missile shield in Ukraine and they said yes?

Those missiles can be replaced with a warhead and that shit is NOT ACCEPTABLE from nato.

That is as as close to a declaration of war as blowing up the nation next to you is.

Because having your opponent's puppet state right next to your border is not good.

The "rebels" who took over the government buildings and set up a referendum where working for Putin.

>Violent uprising in city of Ukrainians
>They start coming East after having murdered policemen and seized power.
>They are promising reprisal against Russians that supported the lawmen and government.
>Especially the Crimea
>You as the unifying power behind all Russians and most eastern slavs step in to protect them
>They support you

Wow, sounds like a serious lie and misdeed.

Well, you have your "rebels", we have ours.

>agreement they signed with ukrain
The best part about this agreement, i think, is that Russia gave ukraine -50% on gas price as a bonus for allowing crimean base. And after whole Crimea affair they still demanded to keep that bonus price. We're totally at war with you and you occupy our land you evil aggressor so we'll keep receiving gibs from you when we buy your stuff, right? RIGHT?

what rebels do we have??????

He didn't invade Ukraine

Ukraine is essentially in a state of civil war, and Russia has been dragged into it reluctantly.

I am sure Putin wants it to end more than anyone, but there's nothing he can do except protect the immediate interests of the Eastern Ukranians from being genocided by the retarded "government" in Kiev.

Ukraine is basically a corrupt failed state.

Not even small ones?

>but people are giving
Because they have no choice? Because you are either die on the operation table because anesthesiologist cannot give two fucks about his job because he is getting paid scraps or give him couple of thousands rubles and he will do his job properly? There is no excuse to the cunts that break the law and then buy their way out though.
And cut this "let me tell you about your country" bullshit. Come here. Live here and you'll see how it is. Especially since your golddigging whore gf is russian. More opportunities to taste the "land of the true freedom" yourself.
Зa вcю жизнь ни oднoй взятки нe дaл, дaжe кoгдa oчeнь пpocили и мoглo бы oблeгчить жизнь. B yнивepe из зa этoгo пpишлocь пpeдмeт дeкaнy фaкyльтeтa c кoмиccиeй cдaвaть. Taк вocпитaли. Пpo бpaть - знaю кoллeгa пo кaбинeтy oткaтывaeт кaк чepт и тpяceтcя зa cвoю шкypy, пoтoмy кaк ecли чтo - вceх coбaк пoвecят нa нeгo. Mнe жe нepвы дopoжe.

> please don't hamper our cia democracy-revolutions

lmao that shit went up in your face

the whole region once again got reminded what happens if some jews wanna re-shuffle the government

> took over government buildings
you're confusing blocking in UA troops who could any minute star spontaneously false-flagging, and the government officials being able to go to work DESPITE cia-orchetrated "we wuz tatars" protests.

Are you trying to tell us, that it would have been better to let the Ukrainian National Guard shoot up civilians, like they did in other parts of Ukraine?

>russia was allowed to keep 20k troops stationed on the peninsula as per the agreement they signed with ukraine, there was no invasion

That didn't give them cart blanche to take over Ukrainian military bases and to storm the Crimean parliament to force a vote. This is ignoring the fact they took their markings off their uniforms.

>if you unironically think that crimeans wouldn't vote to join russia, you're lying to yourself and to everyone

Accepting that for the sake of argument, that still doesn't justify Russia's annexation. It's still illegal under international law.

For a secession to be legal, there needs to be the consent of both the seceding region and the country that stands to lose territory. This is why Catalonia can't unilaterally secede from Spain and gain any meaningful recognition among the international community, whereas Scotland could've in 2014 because it had the consent of the rest of the UK.

The Crimean annexation had neither consent of Ukraine nor, given the way the """referendum""" was conducted, the consent of the Crimean people.

>> don't get bombed up by ukraine

There was never any threat of that. Fake news. Liar and shill.

How about you ask Vicky Nuland about that?

>Oh and Russia don't attack Aleppo you can't just end Syrian war like that it's too cruel! Not that we weren't cool when jihadist almost took Damascus and killed everyone, it would end this war after all!

>shoot up civilians

like i said delusional

>war would have been over years ago if it weren't for the Russians

Yeh, with hundreds of thousands of civilians dead you retard

I support Russia in Syria, what they are doing in Ukraine is the exact opposite

>a section of a city, especially a thickly populated slum area, inhabited predominantly by members of an ethnic or other minority group
No, according to this definition we don't have ghettos.

We have our CIA niggers

UA bases were stormed AFTER the referendum, what the fuck do you want LMAO
> muh international law
Kosovo
Also, EVERYBODY is real tired of people who run coups every single year, trying to bitch about international law

At the moment of the referendum, ALL of Ukraine did NOT have a LEGITIMATE government

So an autonomous region like Crimea had EVERY RIGHT to seek this referendum. You're very obviously a cockhol(e)ster, so please stop posting.

By the way, the numbers of Crimean military personnel, who didn't sign up to run "anti-terrorist operations" against their own family, on behalf some neo-nazi larpers from Kiev, should surprise you.

80%+ of the UA forces defected in Crimea, you know this right?

Based imran explains:
youtube.com/watch?v=MPZPUom3d_M

>be putin
>deliver on the super male vitality

> UA military didn't bomb city centres
Cockholes are even lucky Putin let them have a country first. You're like a hot potato of shit, shit your own bed just to try make someone feel bad about you.

It's just the sheer cockhole logic behind what? The fact that some paid kiddos burned tired in Kiev, the WHOLE country should tow a new line? What kind of joke is this? And not only that, the people who DON'T agree get attacked. Fucking cockholes, worst austrian invention of all time, sorry russia.

From what I get out of this Ukraine / Russia conflict is that Ukraine was having a split between joining the EU's policies vs Ukrainian Crimean people and their policies.

Turns out the lefties in Ukraine started becoming violent and threatened to over throw the rest of Ukraine in attempt to force everyone into the EU's realm.

Russia was likely invited, maybe not all that happily but who else was going to help in this situation?

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>This is ignoring the fact they took their markings off their uniforms.
Seriously this is the thing that confuses me the most. Why did they do that?

If Russia believes their actions to be justified, why do this?

There are no good guys

Why not do that?

> the lefties
paid agent provocateurs
openly planned the coup within the US embassy in Kiev. This shit is all on wikileaks. The snipers, the "right-wing" jews, the shipped in teenagers from CAMPS where NATO trains such shite in Latvia, Lithuania, etc

Fun stuff

>ukraine was invaded
>soros funded and mccain backed groups and pmc's were not responsible for starting a civil war in order to destabilize the region and to blame all of russia not just putin
grown adults who've the nerve to look themselves in the mirror and accept an anti russian narrative here in 2017, are going to hell for being enemies to humanity

Maskirovka, check it out. Quite cool.

Because it clearly shows that Russia was aware of the illegality of the action.

>UA bases were stormed AFTER the referendum, what the fuck do you want LMAO

Liar and shill. It happened before.

>Russian forces storm Ukrainian base
By Associated Press March 7, 2014 | 4:09pm
nypost.com/2014/03/07/russian-forces-storm-ukrainian-base-report/

>Crimean status referendum, 2014
>A referendum on the status of Crimea was held on March 16, 2014
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_status_referendum,_2014

>Kosovo

Whataboutism, the legality/illegality of Kosovo's independence has no bearing one way or another on the legality of Crimea's annexation by Russia. Someone else breaking the law does not give you permission to break the law yourself. Ridiculous line of reasoning.

Kosovo also had major issues with gaining international recognition, for what it's worth. Not as badly as the Crimea annexation has tbf.

Legality or illegality are completely empty words in international politics at this point. Other side doesn't care about legality of their actions, why should we? It's sufficient that they are justified.

Illegality of what, you dumbass?

Illegality of preventing civil unrest in a neighbouring country?

Illegality of protecting your national assets from literal JEWS who want to rob you blind, hiding behind "international law"?

Wake the fuck up, kiddo.

>Someone else breaking the law does not give you permission to break the law yourself.
Yes it does.

Russia denied that they had anything to do with those troops at the time, claiming they were concerned locals who bought all their military gear from army surplus stores.

After the annexation, the Russians openly admitted that they were regular Russian army troops under their command.

>Пpo бpaть - знaю кoллeгa пo кaбинeтy oткaтывaeт кaк чepт
И ты мoлчишь? Пocoны нe пoймyт? Cтyкaчoм быть нe хoчeшь? Toгдa нe жaлyйcя нa cчeт кoppyпции.

No it doesn't. I

s murder now legal because OJ Simpson got away with it? No, because that would be fucking stupid. Like you.

hohol expat

Crimea had more UA army bases, than you have hairs on your ass, buddy. One could say, that someone was almost preparing Crimea for 20 years to oust Russians from it.

When I see you post ONE about ONE base and not just from anyone but from NYtimes, about the evil storming of a base, all I can do is laugh.

NOT TO MENTION, that the government of Crimea has PUBLICALLY "parted ways" with the government of Kiev weeks before THAT, so the UA army bases were literal "invaders" who could get an order to fisk shit up, any time.

And the National Guard in other parts of Ukraine, DID shoot up referendums but I'm not here to spoonfeed a paid shill, and everyone who knows about the topic knows this as well.

>No it doesn't. Is murder now legal because OJ Simpson got away with it?
Killing someone is illegal. Killing someone who trying to kill is perfectly legal.

Russians are inherently corrupt. Weak leaders do not keep power or keep repression high enough to maintain civil unrest. Face it, you don't deserve nor could you handle a soft leader

International law and criminal law are different. Criminal law is enforced by government upon its subjects. International law is a mutual agreement between equals. If one side routinely violates the agreement to gain advantage, the other side would be pathetically stupid to continue upholding it.

Yeah it's maskirovka

>Jihadi Julian crying in the backroud

>Other side doesn't care about legality of their actions, why should we?

Because you can't resolve an international conflict without international support. And it's pretty hard for a neutral country to support a country that ignores international treaties and lies about it.
Same why it's a big deal wether Assad used chemical weapons or not. Just because your enemy breaks the law, does not mean you're justified to do so either.

>Just because your enemy breaks the law, does not mean you're justified to do so either.
It means exactly that.

We are, in fact, being way too careful about observing "international law", if you ask me.

I mean you can, of course, it just heats up the conflict and makes it harder to find an agreement. In the worst case your enemy gains the support instead of you.