Why was World War One so bloody?

Why did Germany and the allies lose so many men fighting each other at places like Verdun, Passchendaele, the Somme, Ypres, the Argonne and the Aisne?

WW1 was even worse than WW2 in terms of just military casualties.

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War on the industrial scale with no idea what's over to deal with it.

go in your backyard, dig a hole and sit it in. Every time you pop up to look over, you die
Rains and can't change socks? You die or at least love feet
Every not and then, randomly you die from mortar or airplane
Time to experience certificate a barrage! In your hole close your eyes and then put your head down. Now take your hands and put palms over ears and fingers to back of head, now drum one finger at a time up the back of your head as fast as you can. Those thuds should give you an idea as to the sheer amount of shells fired for DAYS to soften a line. Just imagine.

That's why it was so bloody

>You die or at least love feet
feet fetischists truly are the worst

It's just what happens when you have high troop concentration fighting in artillery/defensive centric battles. On the Western Front the allies were facing 3 Germans for every yard of front

>Tfw by 1917 we wanted to declare peace but so many men had died one side had to lose utterly

Listen to this OP - and you're totally up to date i promise you !!

ihr.org/mwreport/2012-03-28

you know there weren't even real "rifles" before that war

not to forget all the other shit like artillery
and then ofcourse the biology warfare

The Anglo was the true victim of this war.

Feet fungus turns its victims into feet fetishits, so that it spreads.
THIS IS THEIR PLAN, PEOPLE THESE ARE DEMONS! JUST LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS, IT'S BASICALLY AN INTERGALACTIC INVASION INTO THIS SPACE, THROUGH FUNGUS. I'M TELLIN' YA! IT'S WHAT ALL THE ANCIENTS SAID, IT'S WHAT THEY WARNED OF: THEY'RE DEMONS!

Just watch Dan Carlin's series on WWI

Basically this was the first modern war between large powers. Technology had advanced so far and so fast since Napoleon's time that militaries were just kind of winging it in WWI. They didn't know how effective modern artillery and other weaponry were going to be. The only way they could develop effective tactics to be effective and survive modern industrial warfare was basically trial and error.

It's why you see countries essientially zerg rushing for the first few years of the war.

technology was out pacing tactics in war. No one knew how to deal with machine guns and advancing across open ground.

it was basically "lets bomb them for 9 weeks straight and then run across the no man zone"

It's interesting to consider the fact that Germany, Greece and America are the only three western nations that lost more men in WW two than in WW one. Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Portugal(not even involved in the second war), France, Belgium and Italy all lost much more men in WWI than WWII

its crazy to think this all (ww1 + ww2 and every other slaughter in western europe) happened in not even the last 100 years

and now we're here, completely effeminated thinking women quotas / migrant bullshitery are some of the biggest issues of our society

>zerg rushing

some of my ancestors died in that war and I cant stop laughing at this

Leaky skin

Russia? :P

uh you mean chemical warfare?

And look where that got us.

Prior to WWI large scale engagements involved standing in an open field and firing at each other.

On the onset of war, generals and tacticians were still using outdated methodology to devise battle tactics - one German observer noted that when the French first engaged the German lines they were dressed in their bright blue uniforms complete with stripes. They were picked off pretty easily.

Warfare changed and there was no precedent. So they hunkered down and adapted on the fly.

he obviously means chemistry warfare

Because military tactics have not yet caught up with advances in military technologies.

/thread

Rifles were not new, the first conflict where breech-loading rifles vs breech-loading rifle happened was German-French war of 1870/71.

What was new was the machine gun and effective artillery and of course the gas.

Machine guns and artillery made advances impossible which is especially horrific when retarded generals think its a genius move to do bayonet charges.

It was supposed to be quick, the idea being that modern weapons made war speedy and reduced suffering. In fact the opposite became true. Horses were not reliable in transporting anything, and cars did not really exist, so men did not really move as much or as quickly. The war just became static and men had to live in zombie graveyards for years.

The jews also influenced the bolshiviks to overthrow the tzar and jumpstart the communist revolution.

mental cucking, it's the same thing that effects the majority of people posting on Sup Forums. Something in your brains makes you keep doing the same thing over and over without being able to think outside the box.

only a few (like Adolf Hitler) can overcome it.

Russia/ soviet union and China both lost more people in ww2 than the total dead in ww1 each

kek the germans literally sent lenin to russia and financed his movement
if it wasn't for german autism we'd be in a much better world today

It's the very reason why we're choosing effeminacy

Ww1 was the second race war, the first being the American civil war and the third being ww2.

Sadly the wrong side won all three, and the right side wore grey in all three.

True. The German broke through the lines several times toward the end of the war but they didn't have trucks that can maneuver the craters to supply the vanguard.
Then light tank was invented and rolled over everything.

kek I noticed that as well.

Someitmes I LARP as a southern plantation militia man, but my uniform is butternut colored.

The new technology that had come in; better ways of entrenching and fortifying, barbed wire, machine guns, artillery... overwhelmingly favoured the defender in every confrontation, and strategists failed to come up with a response. An analogy to your typical WW1 battle would be an unarmoured man trying to attack a knight with a stick

Long story short; they were using yesterday's battle tactics against modern (at the time) technology.

Easily the most horrific conflict in history.

The first battles were pretty cool though

I listened to this one. He is great at putting things into a good perspective

>Time to experience certificate a barrage!

Dismounted assaults through obstacles with no cover or concealment that are being overwatched by belt fed weapons with enfilading fires and indirect fire support is always going to be a recipe for slaughter.

>They didn't know how effective modern artillery and other weaponry were going to be
I think this was also a overlooked part of why they went to war in the first place. The European governments and nobility for the past 30 years or so had built up massive arsenals and invested in the development of new military technology, and were itching to try out their new toys. If they had known what a drawn out bloodbath that would result, if they'd known just how destructive these weapons were and that they wouldn't see a swift victory in less than a year like in other European conflicts of that period, they would have done more to avoid war

Well, lets see.

Since it was a brand new type of war, there were no regulations. So devastating weapons like poison gas and artillery were used for the very first time on a major scale. Also, since it was a standstill war in muddy trenches, infested with diseases, many would die in the horrible conditions. Plus, throwing men into machine gun fire probably had a lot to do with how many deaths there were.

No penicillin ...you got a scratch you died.

They were new to modern war. The Brits almost recalled helmets because they noticed more head injuries being recorded. They didn't realize it was because they would have been counted as deaths before helmets were used.

And here we are again.

Wait till the unrestricted drone warfare begins. And then come the rail gun batteries being leased out to alligned 3rd world shitholes to fight their neighbor shitholes.


Shit's gonna be litty.

Cold war gone hot is basically a nightmare scenario.

NATO had all but confirmed immediate use of tactical nuclear weapons to stop the massive soviet push should it have happened.

Reminds me of the story of the guy who decided to put more armour on the parts of the planes that weren't shot up when they came back from engagements.
(They were shot in those places and still came back, therefore, it's the ones shot in other places that don't come back.)

youtu.be/GuwtNDkHch0

If technology in the next 20 years makes it affordable to hand out weaponry like rail guns to allies on the cheap for brinksmanship without nuke purposes we will start to see world war body counts over the course of a decade. Might even last longer since there are a lot more peripheral nation peoples on Earth today, and we can make it easy for them to do it to themselves.

Not to mention the mid-level civil wars in the civilized countries when offensive drone technology in the hands of law enforcement sees serious proliferation.

This century could be worse than the 20th, and the west will be lucky to see the 22nd at that rate.

Brit helmets were shit though

And this is way better right user?

I'm sure someone else said it but Napoleonic and American Civil War tactics combined with new and untested technologies ramped up the body count.

Fuck off stahlcuck

The Brodie helmets served their purpose well and were on par with your shit

>be German
>develop best helmet design after 2 years of war that has been copied all over the world and is the current standard

>be British
>design "helmet" that looks like a soup plate and is ineffective
>stick to shit design through two wars just to silently copy the German design and never talk about it


really made me think

meh... they did the job they were made for and were fine for the time, by WW2 though I agree they were very much outdated

That is why every nation uses the Brodie design right now :^)

Remember which country had to fix your current ordnance rifle because you are too retarded to build proper guns? Oh it was us :o

What about this one?

>Germany
>nation

Kek

But h&k was owned by us at the time so

>Be German
>Lose war
>Claim enemy has shitty helmets
>Improve your helmet to a near modern standard
>Enemy keeps same helmet
>Lose war again

Because kick ass grrrrls had to regulate you fascists.

We would have lost the war without strong women. FACT

indeed

Didnt the Polish use them as well in their two weeks of WW2?

>be British
>"win" war
>get stabbed
>get bombed
>get trucked
>get raped

>still proud kike slaves

really made me think

The technical term is Franco-Prussian War. Jesus, Germany has really lost their identity and intelligence these past few years.

Horses were a huge factor in transporting artillery guns, they even had front line veterinarians to help the horses.

>resorting to "you have Muslims" memes because you can argue for shit

Go prep your refugee bull for grelka and go donate €100 billion more euros to your Jew masterlords you dirty krautcuck

No counter to the machine gun until tanks were made more maneuverable post-war.

Reminder that Wonder Girl > Wonder Woman

Who reads this shit?

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsch-Französischer_Krieg

>let me tell you about your country

Hang yourself, don't forget to use a steel cable though

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t. Somebody who just had happen 3 major terror attacks within 2 months in his country and rage posts about Germany while Sadiq rapes his mom

Don't be mad, Humphrey Cuckington

Like the M98 Mauser from I dunno, 1898?

We are still in the post WW1 mindset that war is hell and we will never go back.

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Yeah but from these it's just making people angrier towards Muslims you had 100s of women raped at cologne on a single night and you cucks daren't even talk about it after, not to mention the week where you had 4 Muslim terrorist attacks in a row

>uses a modern German cuck term for a war that unified German states, stay classy Hanz.

THICC

>Why did Germany and the allies lose so many men
we needed to make the world safe for trannies and kebab

It was always called that to emphasize that it was an all German war against the French which is why it had an unifying effect.

Again, please end yourself you degenerate lardass.

Maybe all of this would not have happened if you didnt side with jews in WW2?

>WWI worse than WWII
lol
6+ million axis and soviet soldiers buried in the Russian steppes would disagree

because it was a bunch of tough,fucks with archaic weapons only slightly improved by "technology" being commanded by indoctrinated retards who were taking orders from retards that thought they were smart.

There was no German, just Prussian, know your history Hanz, De-Nazification really did a number on your people,eh? Uncle Otto is rolling in his Prussian grave.

We have no problem providing weaponry which can kill thousands to our allies. What about when we can cheaply give away enough armaments to kill hundreds of thousands without violating geneva conventions?

Drones also allow a government to kill all sorts of people in situations where it would normally be difficult or require the transfer of a lot of authority to death squad generals. A general ratcheting up of the body count without reaching the sustained peak mortality levels that would replenish our burnout on war. If you kill as many people a were killed in WWII but take an extra 10 years to do so, how difficult will it be to deescalate?

I personally didn't side with any Jew,
But that was the only period of German history where you guys were alright but the modern German state should be nuked as it caused the refugee crisis and thus more terrorism in Europe

Not to mention Germans politicians will regularly take it up the arse from kikes just so they can be the king of the ashes when Europe is destroyed

If you look at how many men went to war versus how many came back WWI wins out. It was proportionately more bloody.

If you are not trolling your are the most retarded poster I encountered for months

> archaic weapons
>only slightly improved by 'technology'

Good point but we are thoroughly jewed now. Whatever furthers (((their))) narrative and however they want to portray it is what people will see

Kek, you fall for their tricks again.

Ready to kill some whites because it was actually Germanys fault right? Not like Germany is a brainwashed puppet state to the US for over 70 years now or something.

No a third world war will solve it goy, and after it your country will be 30% white but at least you defeated the Krauts again!
Also stop pretending you were any better, as the recent events showed Brexit means shit.
Your country is as invested as ours. How many paki niggers did you string up after the Rotherham scanald was uncovered? Right. None.

Because military technology was way ahead of military thinking. If a general from the Napoleonic wars was present at the very start of the First World War he probably would have at least recognized a lot of the doctrines and tactics used.

It's not surprising. Basically 2 entire generations were wiped out from WWI

stupid get out of the trenches and storm the machine gun nests tactics.

>I GOT IT, LETS MAKE REALLY BIG BULLETS!!!

by the way, if you look at the progression... WW2 the Abomb, progressed to "civilized" war,... then the "information war"... there's war on for you mind (TM)...

Research the battle of the Somme. For a few months Brit bongs were sent over the top, marched to their deaths in some cases 200,000 died each day.

Damn nigga wtf you think? Im bored and needed a reaction to occupy my day. Thanks for your time Hans

It was the first major war where all sides were heavily industrialized. It was the first war with the machine gun. It was the first war with chemical weapons. It was the first war where artillery could hit a position without being in line of sight. It was the first war where the standard infantry rifle was accurate and had the range to make use of that accuracy.

Officers did not understand the different tactics required for these new weapons. Most believed that all that was required was to fire artillery and then charge into the enemy, expecting the same. They never stopped to think that the average rifleman could pick off their men from several hundred yards out. they never stopped to think about how the machine gun could spit out enough lead to stop a charge cold. That's why it turned into such a stalemate eventually. Nobody knew how the fuck to move up on the battlelines, because the bolt action rifle and the machine gun gave the average solider far too much firepower to charge and overwhelm without vastly superior numbers. The war turned into a back and forth of artillery barrages and hopeless charges. Things didn't really change until the tank was invented and allowed offensives to actually work again, plus the inclusion of fresh American troops to revitalize the Allied lines.

DETERMINATION.

>I was just pretending to be retarded

stop man, just stop.
I promise not to mention it in future

It worked though. The German military on the western front was seriously fucked after the battle of the somme.

It was the first war uder the central banking system, where supplies could be regulated for both sides from the same money supply.

They wanted to keep them fighting forever.

CJ Chivers gives a pretty good breakdown in his book 'The Gun' on how both sides totally misunderstood new technologies. (He focuses specifically on machine guns, as the book is overall about the AK-47.)

Basically, people who had become officers in the era of cavalry just couldn't comprehend what machine guns were capable of. The Russians were some of the first to pick up on Gatling guns, and later maxim guns. There were battles in the Japanese and Russian war where the Russians did massive damage with machine guns, but nobody took notice. European countries had observers at these battles, but most never actually visited the battlefield.

Going into WW1, Germany had vastly more machine guns than France and England because the Kaiser had happened to be shown a military demonstration of Maxim guns a few years before and thought they were cool. The English had some at the start, but were barely trained on how to use them, and only issued a couple hundred rounds of ammo per gun. The French didn't really have any.

So in the opening stages of the war, the allies got totally wrecked by machine guns (and both sides by artillery.) But the officers were so out of touch and didn't visit the front, so they literally didn't believe the reports from infantry about the devastating effects of the guns. Even up to the Spring Offensive, the French and British generals were prioritizing new bayonets over machine guns and ammo.

They figured it out after awhile, but way too late. And then America entered the war and hadn't gotten the memo, and it was back to zerg rushing into machine guns for awhile.

And let's not even get into how badly prepared French artillery was!

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you know its cowardly to retract and hide. we need to not fear who we are, what we're capable of, or our past history of existence. we should be pushing forward, being brave and understanding the truths about ourselves.

But to be honest, the true red pill is understanding that opportunity was lost in 1945, this is the reality we're stuck in.

>It was the first war uder the central banking system, where supplies could be regulated for both sides from the same money supply.
Can you expand on this, or link some suace that does?

If I understand your meaning didn't the same dynamic exist between England and France during napoleonic wars?

>Germans accusing us of white genocide

Pot kettle

>oh it wasn't us who elected merkel oh it wasn't us who is behind the EU at all it was all the US boogie man!

Take responsibility krautcuck, since reunification you've stopped being an actual US puppet state (well at least to some extent) I remember being here when your country applied political pressure to other European countries (which it continues to do so) and then is in complete denial that opening the floodgates has caused any problems like overcrowding and crime

For this I still believe that Germany should be obliterated from this earth by using bomber Harris to firebomb you Mongols into oblivion

Also non memingly pretty much everyone involved in Rotherham got caught hence the media attention chances are there are probably 10 rotherhams going on there but they're still covering it up

>200,000 died each day
wat. Proofs? How is that possible?

>America hadn't gotten the memo
>What is the BAR
>What is the M1917

America didn't get the memo until it was about to enter the war and saw how devastating the machine gun really was. That's when they bought the M1917 and BAR from John Browning and entered them into service.