ITT: >We discuss about Catalan politics and situation
For the ones who don't know: Catalonia is an autonomous community of Spain, located on the northeastern extremity of the Iberian Peninsula. It is designated as a nationality by its Statute of Autonomy. Catalonia consists of four provinces: Barcelona, Girona, Lleida, and Tarragona. The capital and largest city is Barcelona, the second-most populated municipality in Spain and the core of the seventh-most populous urban area in the European Union. We have our own culture and language, and most of us don't consider themselves as Spaniards. The ones who do are filthy sevillian niggers who came here in the 20'th century. We are going to do a referendum to proclame our own country. It is not supported by the government, because its illegal. We are going to do it anyways.
FAQ:
Is the flag from Puerto Rico? Yes, the catalan flag for independentism (ESTELADA) is based on Puerto Rico's flag.
You are not a Country: Yes we are. There is enough evidence, just search for Spanish history. Spain has never been an unified kingdom, it was a mix between Castillian, Navarran, Aragon, Catalan, Galician, etc.
You fucking nigger: Muslims only got to a little part of Tarragona (south catalonia) and stayed there for less than 30 years. When Romans conquered the Iberian peninsula they started from Catalonia. In fact, most of the archeological remains of spain are from here. We have very similar blood to Sardanian and South France.
Catalan is not a language: Catalan is a recognised language that shares a lot in common with French, Italian and Spanish. It was derived from old occitan. Pros: Catalan shares a lot of pronunciation with French, in fact French is easier to understand for me than Sevillian/American spanish. We share a lot of vocabulary with italian, since we were the first ones conquered by romans and we didnt have that impact from Arab in our language.
Quit your bitching and stay as one unified country.
Brandon Reyes
Support from Ireland.
Grayson Reyes
Your ID sounds exotic nonetheless.
Easton James
Catalonia will never be seperated, what will happen is catalan will be made illegal to use in schools media and government places.
Caleb Brown
how are your odds looking for the referendum? When is it going to be held?
If it passes, what is the next course of action if the Spanish government will refuse to recognize it? Are you gonna try asking other countries/the UN to recognize you or what?
Nathaniel Mitchell
I call bullshit on this.
Ethan Smith
>When is it going to happen. Our catalan president said it was going to happen before 2018. If Spanish government does not regognize it europe or united nation will probably intervene.
Noah Johnson
That flag hurts At least make the star point to the open space
Robert Brown
Wish you the best on your referendum even though you are a bunch of cucks that want to rejoin the EU as soon as you leave
Ryder Fisher
>europe or united nation will probably intervene
dont be that delusional, it just hurts...
Joshua White
Also mass migrations of andaluces will exterminate all senses of "independence" you brought this upon yourself.
Ethan King
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Juan Peterson
>Wish you the best on your referendum even though you are a bunch of cucks that want to rejoin the EU as soon as you leave
Im not going to lie, we are big cucks here. We even did a refugees welcome event in Barcelona. But that is another problem that we will solve. Our main political party is right-wing and conservative so i think we would solve that problem fast.
Daniel Parker
This is why franco made catalonia rich, evil genius, op is probably a charnargo too, Catalonia as a seperate entity from the rest of the spanish regions is dead.
Blake Thompson
Are you sure they wouldn't just end up like the UKIP once they reach their goal?
Asher Wood
Your national hero was a Spanish patriot. I respect your language and culture but don't act like your history is not intimately intertwined and compatible with that of the rest of the peninsula.
Evan Sanders
YOU ARE NEVER EVER GONNA LEAVE CATKEK
Noah Brooks
The difference is that UKIP was conservative and anti-europe. Our main political parties are pro-europe. Even that our main party is right-wing is not very conservative. But to be honest, I dont fucking care. I just only want to be recognised as a Catalan, I just want to speak my native language with pride, I want to be able to have my own laws and government.
Luis Edwards
That masonic "puertorican" star is an insult to our glorious banner, I loathe it, I don't care if it represents independentism, but don't taint our ancestral "senyera" with that crap.
The independentist flag should portray the Renaixença Phoenix, but what can you expect from a bunch of tasteless blue-pilled leftist cucks like modern day independentists.
Andrew Allen
Make the teo hostorically rebellious provinces require lots of labor as well as conventrate wealth there to make it subject to mass internal migrations.
Franco cucking basques snd catalonian seperatists even after death, 90% population of catalonia has recent ancestors from other regions GG, espanya una y grande! m.youtube.com/watch?v=z6k_IdzBrGY
Josiah Ramirez
>don't act like your history is not intimately intertwined and compatible with that of the rest of the peninsula.
When did i said that our history is not tied to the peninsula? Our history is tied to the peninsula just like Portugal or Spain itself. But that doesn't mean anything.
Jordan Richardson
I know, that's why i used the red and yellow flag and not the blue-yellow-red with white star flag. I only use the nowdays famous estelada because its more known and people recognize it.
Elijah Miller
Do you honestly think you will ever get independence from spain?? not trolling or anything, just want to know what you think. because spain definitely does not want to give you up. but they definitely hear your voices!
Dylan Rivera
>Do you honestly think you will ever get independence from spain?
Yes, if not now in a couple years.
Nolan Sullivan
Are you that gal from /int? Also when you are going to claim indepence?
Elijah Collins
how do you figure? 2 years is not a lot of time! not for something so significant anyway
Mason Sullivan
They will never get independrnce in fact I will go to catalonia have 100 kids and make tgem have 100 kids, and vote to ban catalan, andalucia needs to send a couple of million more.
Josiah Morris
It means that the idea that catalanes are a victimized group singled out by Madrid for oppression is laughable and an invention of propagandists. Any people have a right to self determination, just don't build your case on lies and paranoia.
Jeremiah Thomas
>I will go to catalonia have 100 kids but that would require you getting laid user-kun
Adam Martinez
What's the point of a new state? Aren't you all EU cucks anyway?
David Cooper
>seperatistas >haaaaaaaaa
Hudson Lee
What is Catalan view on firearm ownership, since some of you have taken to armed rebellion/resistance in the past is this indicative of a future gun state if you become independent or are you cucked like most euros? What would be your population if you became independent? Are you commies, or Catalan political values really variable from person to person?
Landon Wright
Oy vey, what a lovely hilo my fellow goyim. Remember to take in as many moros as you can. Open Borders for all !
Easton Hernandez
Holy shit...
>Even that our main party is right-wing is not very conservative. The most Honorable president stole how much money? Cataluña steal us.
> I just only want to be recognised as a Catalan If by Catalan you mean born and rised in Cataluña which is part of a country named Spain, nobody denies your identity.
>I just want to speak my native language with pride You can, and as long as is a co-oficial lenguage in ALL THE COUNTRY you can speak it. Another issue is if a Castillian will or not understand you.
> I want to be able to have my own laws and government. Implying Cataluña isn't one of the regions with more freedom and autonomy. Judges, education, police... Your gobernment is even selling its own debt which is driving you to an economic hell all the Spanish are paying for.
Hudson Cruz
what league will the football teams be part of?
Landon Flores
Catalonia is literally the least Jewish region in Iberia.
Brayden Baker
>Are you that gal from /int? No, im not. >Also when you are going to claim indepence? If it was me, tomorrow seems a good day.
>how do you figure? 2 years is not a lot of time! not for something so significant anyway.
Its going to happen user, our president has already set the date limit for 2018.
>Any people have a right to self determination Government has said that referendum is illegal im not mading anything. >It means that the idea that catalanes are a victimized group singled out by Madrid for oppression is laughable and an invention of propagandists I dont think catalans are victimized, who said that? >What's the point of a new state? Aren't you all EU cucks anyway? Idk desu. Like i said in >But to be honest, I dont fucking care. I just only want to be recognised as a Catalan, I just want to speak my native language with pride, I want to be able to have my own laws and government.
Anthony Hall
To be fair, Catalunya was never an independent country. After it was taken back from the muslims by the french it became a county, loyal to the frenchies. This was in the begining of the 9th century. In 1137, your duke married his two year old daughter to the king of Aragon, in order to become part of this growing kingdom.
James Thomas
who is this ugly fucking faggot that i keep seeing around here
Liam Peterson
>The most Honorable president stole how much money? Cataluña steal us. Yes we steal you fucking nigger. We know how to use the money better than you sub-human arab scum.
>You can, and as long as is a co-oficial lenguage in ALL THE COUNTRY you can speak it. Another issue is if a Castillian will or not understand you. No, you don't know anything.
>Implying Cataluña isn't one of the regions with more freedom and autonomy. Judges, education, police... Your gobernment is even selling its own debt which is driving you to an economic hell all the Spanish are paying for.
We all still tied to central government taxes, laws, and congress.
Asher Williams
T. 40% nigger spics
Josiah Adams
Im hoping for civil war 2 in spen.
Angel Parker
your posting from the same country you fuck
Luis Evans
What is this bullshit thread. You Catalans are rich, but not special. If any, the Basque should have a separate nation.
Every region in Spain have their unique variant of spanish. Stop thinking it's a whole another language.
Selfish pricks.
John Perry
And not to mention that your region is degenerate as fuck. Commie-voting liberals.
Levi Miller
Barcelona is the city with highest Jewish population in Iberia, goy. >Barcelona, with a Jewish community of 3,500, has the largest concentration of Jews in Spain.
Dont put that image here, we didn't call for any clown.
After that we will build a big wall to separate us from Spain.I promise Burger-san.
I dont like football. Idk.
Catalonia was known for his weapon and firearm support. Look at "Segunda republica".
-No monarchy -No PP government -Out of europe (at least before we try to re-join it) -If we dont enter Europe we have unique currency. -We would be universally recognized as catalans. -We would not import filthy andalusians. -We will stop having borders with Africa ...etc
Zachary Morris
No one prohibits your language and culture. Historically you were never really independent. You have vast amounts of local autonomy. Yet there is an intense fervor for independence. Why? If your personal reasons are purely for the desire for self governance, that's one thing. I'm just saying that the case as presented by your leaders is not so transparent and honest and I suspect you're caught up in it because of the emotional momentum behind the independent movement rather than a sober analysis of the situation. And again I have nothing against Catalans.
Just to give you an example. Bullfighting is an Spanish tradition non suported by catalans, in fact we find it pretty disgusting. Catan government approvess a law by 100% of votes to ban bullfighting in Catalonia. 1 year later Spanish government bans the law and now in catalonia bullfighting is legal again. publico.es/politica/tc-anula-prohibicion-toros-catalunya.html
that was just one example.
Henry Richardson
>No, you don't know anything. The last wednesday I did speak Gallician with a man from Lugo drinking some beers in Madrid, and I'm from Guadalajara. And nobody gives a flying fuck. Of course, Gallicians are cool people not whining Catalonians. The one who knows a shit is you, fucking brainwashed idiot.
>Yes we steal you fucking nigger. We know how to use the money better than you sub-human arab scum. Yes, you do. And yes, if using the money means share with the Pujol family and making shitty inversions.
Also Pic fucking related and the link to check it.
And who supports this in catalonia? Can you say you want niggers out of catalonia as a seperatist? I am not naive enough to think of a true nationalist state to come just a weakening and divide and conquer.
Ian Moore
Do you how much money do you have to spend to become a country? the bureaucracy, the trade deals and trade union, military, applying to EU, embassies, new passports and IDs, don't get invaded and genocided by the rest of Spain, don't get colonised by Spain afterwards.
Nicholas Walker
>and I'm from Guadalajara That explains everything. It must be really difficult for you to understand with an undeveloped brain.
>linked png Means nothing btw
Gabriel Moore
Catalan is literally on another Latin branch, Catalan derives from old Occitan, calling it a Spanish dialect when according to many linguists could even be considered in the Gallo-Romance branch (French) is absurd and completely ignorant of the subject.
So, you want to create a separate Catalan nation, with what I can only assume is socialism with the end goal of communism, even though records show that the CNT-FAI's attempt to instill anarcho-syndicalism were an enormous failure. I'm talking about recorded instances of legitimate serfdom, as people were tied to their own properties to work their crops fields by soldiers while being threatened with death if they attempted to escape, all while the soldiers lined their pockets with the best food. >inb4 no source Blood Of Spain by Ronald Fraiser
Jeremiah Johnson
Seperatists in East Spain being genocided is preferable to divide and conquer.
David Mitchell
Posting the truth means nothing. Yeah good example. For sure, a good ad-hominem will cover the fact that your pic is manipulated.
Meh.
Samuel Reed
>Every region in Spain have their unique variant of spanish wat? who told you this? are you fucking high?
>Stop thinking it's a whole another language. Its another language and its recognized by European union. In fact catalan comes from Occitan wich is dead. That's why it is considered an evolution from occitan and not an evolution of Spanish.
Aiden Moore
Segur que tots els catalans que no volen la independència són sevillans o negres? Els únics que ho volen són sionistes i comunistes. Viva Franco i visca catalunya
Owen Edwards
Oh yea Mallorca should also separate... not spanish...
Your kind is absolute absurd.
Asher Bennett
Catalonia has no military, stop this seperatist bullshit before soldiers and tankies roll down.
Christian Garcia
Hay guise, pro-independence foreigner living in BCN here. Just going to say that you people are getting ripped off BIG TIME by your own govt. How many years have we been hearing now that >hurr independence any day now, one or two years tops ?
The moment ERC which wasn't a total trainwreck joined with CiU it's all just gone down the drain. It was really a master move by CiU, with JxSi "you're either with me or you're against me" or you're with the CUP which means you're braindead anyway.
I get that you people hate the spanish government, I mean who fucking doesn't, but your hate for Spain is not letting you see how the catalan elites are just playing us together with the spanish elites. Both parties benefit from this constant conflict, and we're getting jack shit out of it, except that our local politicians can just blame everything on Madrid.
Seriously people STOP BEING SO FUCKING KEKED AND MAKE CATALONIA GREAT AGAIN
ffs I've never seen a group of people who have so fucking much going for them like the catalans but still manage to fuck up so bad
my two cents
Carter Anderson
>with what I can only assume is socialism with the end goal of communism What the actual fuck. Are you okay burger? Had you been having nightmares with URSS and cold war again? Do you want another coke or something?
Hudson Cox
Visca catalunya visca espanya
Colton Evans
Shoot separatists on sight
Grayson Hernandez
Jews today in Iberia are "retornados".
They change the map every day, still, nothing out of the ordinary.
Liam Thomas
>Its going to happen user, our president has already set the date limit for 2018. uhhh, really? are they going to let people in that region vote or something? I can't imagine that they wouldn't rig those elections if so! catalonia is a pretty wealthy area!!
Christopher Morris
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Tyler Howard
Mallorquì is an accent. Do you really understand the difference between accent and language? Let me help you understand the image. The colors that are more similar to red are the closest to Catalan, and the ones closer to purple are similar to Occitan. The only difference between orange, red and the pink colors are the accent, but all of them speak catalan. The ones with purple color speak occitan.
>Oh yea Mallorca should also separate... not spanish...
And btw, what has language to do with separating?
Charles Gonzalez
The trick was to convince them that Spanish politicians represent the rest of Spain's desire to fuck Catalunya and hide the fact that they're fucking the rest of Spain too. This is the game people who want power play. When you ask to be lied to don't be surprised when you're lied to.
Grayson Bell
Fuck off partisan commie kike.
Dylan Rogers
The last fucking moron on Sup Forums that was a Catalan separatist was a fucking communist.
Ryder Gutierrez
"And btw, what has language to do with separating?"
Now you just speaking bullshit like a separatist. Stop LARPing and hail your Great Spanish Reich.
Justin Rodriguez
Are you daft? The rest of Spain fucking HATES Catalonia, and they're more than happy that Catalans are getting fucked by the government. They're just too dumb to care that their own government is fucking them over as well, as long as politicians can go on bashing catalonia everyone's happy.
Kayden Cox
>Every region in Spain have their unique variant of spanish. The """Spanish""" in fact is Castillian. Catalan language even belongs to another Romance language group different than rest of the languages in Iberia.
Mason Brooks
>Commie kike literally the opposite of what I am. I dont really want communism because i would loose my fucking business
btw, have you known any catalan in your life? pic related
Joseph Wright
^-^~
Jaxson Lee
So the map is useless to disprove that catalonians are in their vast majority: a) Andalusians b) Extremeños c) Jews d) Niggers e) Peruvians
>reminder: there are 5 million inmigrants in Spain and one full million is in Cataluña.
And the minority are the Aragonese remains... And 5 or 6 families living in the Ampurdá with true catalonian ancestors.
Seriously, the separatism is a joke. The pretensions are a joke. Is easier for you to get the independence with an all-Spain referendum than one in Cataluña because we are fucking tired of you. But the catalonian politicians don't want the independence, they want the money and the political tension to get votes.
Jaxson Rivera
Pique is the biggest cunt in the world. Nice post.
Parker Young
>one catalan separatist was commie, so the rest of us are following that rule all the maga burguers are redditers?
>Now you just speaking bullshit like a separatist. Stop LARPing and hail your Great Spanish Reich.
Is that all your arguments?
>Catalan language even belongs to another Romance language group different than rest of the languages in Iberia. At least some common sense here. Thanks god.
Brody Reyes
You are hysterical.
Take a deep breath.
Catalans are not your enemies.
Wyatt Diaz
>Implying that the picture related was about the person itself and not how a Catalan looks Denmark, are you drunk?
Leo Ortiz
Seperatists are and seperatists are not catalans
Asher Smith
>Gallicians are cool people HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *deep breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
David Gomez
Yet he is insulting all catalans and Catalonia as a whole regardless.
Connor Perez
Glad to hear you are one of us. But why be a separatist? And why are you against bullfighting and jamon?
Jackson Bailey
Because of seperatist tricks trying to emcompass sll catalonia as seperatists
Jacob Allen
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Blake Phillips
Si están resentidos será con lo llorones que sois últimamente. Lo demás son los estereotipos inocuos de siempre que os tomais en serio.
Alexander Turner
I was trying to describe Pique as an archetype of a Catalan separatist. Far from everyone looks like him, but yes he is a true European. Like many from Madrid.
Josiah Walker
If Catalan doesn't have a wall around it, none of this thread matters
Samuel Lewis
>Seriously, the separatism is a joke. The pretensions are a joke. PP is a joke.
Tyler Reyes
I can't be hysterical because I don't have an uterus. Nationalism in Spain is an obvious enemy.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA then...
Austin Wood
I already thought of that >After that we will build a big wall to separate us from Spain.I promise Burger-san.
Robert Gutierrez
"Nationalism" nation = race Seperatism is in east spaon arbituary seperatism, not a nation.
