Sup Forums I'm having a bit of a political identity crisis right now. I've always thought of myself as an American chauvinist, conservative capitalist libertarian, but have been doing a lot of research on the Nazis and NatSoc ideologies. They jumped right out of the great depression and their economy fucking sky rocketed. Then (((they))) inevitably destroyed them in war, and that's whats to blame for the drop off. Fuck libertarian-ism is retarded too. Degeneracy needs to be purged. I'd take control over freedom any day now.
So I guess my problem is my great grandfathers who fought the Nazis in Normandy today 73 years ago, just to have their great grandson align with their beliefs. I respect them and the rest of my ancestry who have fought, and died fighting, for my freedom, but I truly believe NatSoc is the best way.
It has literally been tried once to my knowledge, and worked fucking amazingly. I guess 1940s America was kinda based too, but still. >pic related, it's a timeline of Germany's economy
Why do you think this board turned from libertarian to national socialism? Lolbertarianism doesnt work and laissez-faire is to blame for the deep shit we are in right now.
Logan Wilson
Nazi fags are not welcome here
Tyler Jones
>am i a cuck for favoring socialism
ding ding ding, we have a winner. go prep your bull, bitch boy.
Ryan Torres
That growth was unstainable That's why hitler constantly had to expand for resources German had to expand or to bust
Jaxon Lopez
it's because government boosted and helped the strongest businesses expand. that's different from cuck-socialism which focuses on helping the weak
Daniel Richardson
Mate our nation fucking betrayed us and sent our forefathers to die. Nothing more to it.
Brandon Clark
First time agreeing with a Canadian on here
Hmmm >pic related
You don't know what Third Position-ism is
Yeah okay that's what I thought
How so?
Easton Cox
When will you cucks not realize Nazism is akin to BLM.
Logan Fisher
How so?
Julian Campbell
>Having to base an idea on muh skin, muh hair and eye color. You guys are no better then the niggers you claim you are better than.
Dominic Mitchell
They fought for what they thought was right. There's no shame in that. But after some time we've figured out we were scammed. Isn't it right to get some revenge for those who conned your grandfathers?
Samuel King
>But after some time we've figured out we were scammed Are you fucking retarded? How did Natsoc Germany scam you?
Eli Wood
You know nothing about NatSoc faggot.
William Barnes
Wouldn't a NatSoc regime natural crumble once a transition of power took place? What about the inevitable collapse within mere generations of collective/centralized economies?
Dominic Wood
I have spent a year looking into it. Its pretty much a cucked ideology right after communism.
Fuck that authoritarian shit. I prefer my freedoms.
Elijah Russell
>Wouldn't a NatSoc regime natural crumble once a transition of power took place? Yeah, it would, that's why its a dumb idea
Lincoln Ward
>n-no, it isn't REAL socialism
yep. it's never "real" socialism. every single little socialist bitch says that. we know. we know.
Hudson Flores
>implying socialism is the problem >implying it isn't marxism and bolshevism You're at the surface level, one day you'll learn.
Joseph Parker
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Kevin Nelson
>Nazi fags are not welcome here >That growth was unstainable >That's why hitler constantly had to expand for resources Im not sure how many times we have to debunk this. There's millions of versions of it too: >debt was driving them to war >growth was driving them to war >sustained low unemployment was driving them to war >not letting women work was driving them to war >fascism had a conquest mentality driving them to war >everyone was insane thus driving them to war Etc, etc. Reminds me of the "women make 70 cents on a man's dollar" zombie myth that never dies: Debt as a percent of GDP was constantly shrinking (standard keynsean policy effects). Growth existed from 1934 to 1938 and is virtually a straight slope; war didn't slow or speed it up. Women only dropped 10% in the workforce, and Jews were less than 1% of the population, so their loss didn't change anything either. This must be standard bullshit they teach in schools since it never goes away.
As far as military spending, Germany barely broke the US threshold of 40% of GDP, the entire duration of the war, and spent LESS THAN THEIR RIVALS in preparation building up to war:
>true communism was never tried before Is what Commies always say, Natsoc was tried and it worked. You have to be smart enough to actually say the meme before you can force it, moron. kys and remove your low IQ rom the gene pool.
Alexander Lewis
For me it's observing the decline of the American economy after the end of the 50s and progressive culture here in the US and how much it is negatively effecting us. Oh, and the Jewish meme.
That's very true. Thanks, user that actually really helps.
I think by "We" he means the United States' soldiers were scammed into fighting the Axis
National Socialism isn't the same as Socialism. If you know that, how is it cucked? Isn't freedom being cucked by degeneracy?
Yeah that is a downside, but what if the transition of power happens before the previous ruler dies. It gets handed off to his son, he gets guidance from his father
William Campbell
I was in the same boat as you, was a hard core paleocon that worshipped Calvin Coolidge, then I started to learn more. Welcome aboard, friend. Join us over at /nsg/ sometimes
Also Has it all right
Aaron Butler
>Yeah that is a downside, but what if the transition of power happens before the previous ruler dies. It gets handed off to his son, he gets guidance from his father The problem with specifically natsoc Germany was that even with Hitler's one-of-a-kind personality, they barely managed to get support from Germans above 50%. If Hitler was to disappear Goebbels would've never achieved the same level of connection with the people, and everyone else in the party was a mediocre speaker at best. It would've crumbled sooner or later because it was based on personality
Also, the light of the revolution gets slowly extinguished with every next generation because they're not aware of their parents' struggles. Why would someone born after the 50s want Germany to remain natsoc? They'd all envy their free peers in the US who can say pretty much everything and can fuck everyone without the state messing with their sex life, or you know, the exact same thing that happened to the Soviet Union.
Gavin Clark
An answer to this was actually that before the war, the NatSoc's had actually planned on privatizing many things and worked towards becoming more free market. In fact they were able to privatize a lot of major industries. I would read the paper "Nazi Privatization in the thirties: Against the mainstream". A link to it can be found below
Natsoc/fascism is literally NECESSARY for the European man, I have researched so much and realized it is the only way out of this mess and into stability and forward to real progress. After it is successfully implemented the countries may follow more libertarian social and economic approaches as to allow for more public individualism and socioeconomic incentive to make up for the inevitable loss of individualism of a semi collectivist ideology, always consciously reverting back to full blown natsoc/fascism should degeneracy start building up in the public spheres as the order must be maintained at all costs. This is the future. I am sure of it, I can see it so clearly.
Angel Thompson
>norways GDPs whats going on there lol
Sebastian Russell
no arguments, just impotent rage from brain dead, gas huffing, untermensch retards.
>Natsoc was tried and it worked >mfw this inbred moron pretends that WWII didnt happen
that's cute. what color is the sky in your fairy tale world, squirt?
Liam Parker
And I thought Reagan was the best thing to happen to the US. Yeah I will, you and
Have convinced me. Fuck muh freedoms, natsoc is the way to go.
I agree, but how in the hell can we make it happen? Especially with the highest levels of degeneracy and Jewery ever...
Get a load of this faggot. >Doesn't know we're discussing economic ideologies >Doesn't know WWII defeated the Nazis, not economic policies
Brandon Martin
>It would've crumbled sooner or later >implying anything lasts forever Every paradigm crumbles "sooner or later"; it's a nonsense thing to say. The fact that the entire world ganged up to smash it, then spent the next 70 years demonizing it so no one ever even CONSIDERED it again, is extremely telling. International finance can't permit an example of non-debt currency, or an economy divested from the international banking system, to exist and succeed. The entire world might decide to do the same thing. >Why would someone born after the 50s want Germany to remain natsoc? Because people who aren't subject to state sponsored demoralization, who aren't taught to be Oikophobes who hate themselves and their society by cultural Marxists, generally don't develop the same degenerate self-loathing and nihilism on their won. Who's to say they wouldn't have simply become a monarchy, or reverted to some form of democracy as in Spain? No one can say, because the project was artificially aborted by war.
>an economic policy succeeded >all the countries threatened by that ganged up and wiped out said economy >thus it "failed" I guess anyone you lynch is a sort of "failure", at least at survival. The economic data doesn't disappear because you throw red herrings around. You can erase Germany, but its Keynsean policies were copied from the US, where they didn't include the monetary policy changes that made them so much more successful. Look, I know you desperately want what you heard in your lolbertard circle jerks and from your ecelebs to be true, so you can feel smart repeating what you heard. There's just too much empirical evidence for you to wish it away. >fairy world Projection lol. Trying to wish away data. Sorry, enjoy your BTFO pleb.
Eli Murphy
You're missing the part where average wage fell even as inflation and GNP increased as public spending went out of control.
Elijah Torres
These are only a decades worth of statistics during a time of war user. If things stabilized, the GDP would have stagnated and certainly dropped.
Justin Collins
>Nazi, Germany's Economic policies Getting so indebted that you have to start a war in the hope of not paying the debt back?
Lincoln Ward
>moves the goal posts >fails to refute history >pretends that war isn't about economy
what an ignorant, uneducated child. Sup Forums is 18+ btw. you gotta fuck off for a few years, kid.
>more impotent rage from a gas huffing retard who wants to bury his head in the sand and pretend nazi germany wasn't an embarrassing failure
tl;dr lol.
i can see you poured your little faggot bitch heart into it, but i don't take inbred cousin fuckers who worship a dead manlet with a tiny, mutilated penis seriously. fuck off back to your safe space, stormweenie.
Luis Phillips
You need to read Commander Rockwell.
Chase Wilson
>public spending went out of control If spending less on public works, and less on armaments than your rivals is "out of control", what is your baseline? What in the world is your comparison point? Everyone was "out of control", but Germany the least so. >only a decades worth of statistics Is generally standard for a longitudinal study. Look up the Minnesota Adoption study, or any of the premier studies in breast cancer or IQ. Ten years is the gold standard. If you want to look at the nex closest analogue, just look at the US: Keynesean policies lasted until the 1970s. Tell me why Germany's versions of these would have diverged significantly, given the 10 years of data we have? Shoosh sweetie, you're too low IQ for this convo.
Dylan Hill
>fails to refute argument >projects his lack of intelligence >is desperate for his superior's attention
here's your reply, cletus.
Cameron Allen
Name the 4 pillars of argumentation correctly and you'll get one more (you)
Jacob Roberts
You're fucking retarded. I was saying said but I phrased it poorly. Your arguments are literally based off memes Fuck off
Evan Morris
He's just (you) farming, he has no arguments to make.
Oliver Turner
The JQ is more relevant today than it ever was, if Europe was being consumed by Islam our women raped our children slaves and I had one solitary tactical nuke of peace I would still choose to drop it in the heart of Israel. We can't treat surface problems anymore, we have to attack the source. They are the most subversive force humanity has ever known.
John Lee
>little bitch boys DESPERATELY CRAVING their superior's attention
very pathetic and a little gay. go to bed, you diaper shitting morons. men are talking.
Ian Bell
>If I had one solitary tactical nuke of peace I would still choose to drop it in the heart of Israel That's what they plan to do if they are ever under existential threat from ANY source: nuke the West.
Jace Reyes
Yeah you're right
Evan Howard
Interesting. I truly believe East Asians should join us in our struggle against them, this world parasitic force concerns everyone and affects everyone directly or indirectly, the Asian advantage is Jews can't pass as (((fellow people))).
Blake Martin
>the Asian advantage is Jews can't pass as (((fellow people))). We should never combine our destinies with them through race mixing, but Asians might be the only other race Europids can ally with and trust in any way. Cautiously, of course.
Jaxson Walker
The Average Wage was already falling very fast before NSDAP took power, although the public's works projects didn't recover the wage in full, it did start to raise them in 1934 when it employed 1.6 million people [1] [2] 1. McNab, Chris (2009). The Third Reich. Amber Books. ISBN 978-1-906626-51-8. pg. 54
Your freedumbs are an illusion, slaving away for kikes isnt what I would call freedom
NatSoc was never about race, but your people, Pedro.
Caleb Flores
This is what America is doing right now, and has been doing since they became the world reserve currency
Eli Green
Damn 2 off of quints my nigga, and I don't even care about that shit.
I just find wartime economics questionable, America being a prime example when it got them out of the great depression, and would look into the economics further to make sure my opinion is well founded. I haven't done that, I don't know if you have done that, but I plan on doing it =].
