is programming overrated? will there be a job market for it in the next 5-10 years or will it be all pooinloos?
I kind of done goofed and did masters in humanities (YOLO), so for obvious reasons Im considering learning programming, Ive messed around with some basics and it seems that I have some talent for it as well as the rest of muh kid is good with computers sphere.
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Brit software architect here. PoolInLoo code needs to be tested and usually fixed by UK staff before we ever use it. Generally it's pretty shit.
>PoolInLoo code needs to be tested and usually fixed by UK staff before we ever use it.
UK airport system crashed becouse of it hasnt it?
where should I start learning and how long will it take for it to be monetizable?
Be butt-hurt all you like. But that's my personal experience and the opinion is shared by all my peers.
t. 15 years as tech lead
>Be butt-hurt all you like. But that's my personal experience and the opinion is shared by all my peers.
I think you misunderstood me, I was saying that pooinloo coders usually suck.
Sorry, Think I have misunderstood you. I'm on hols and on the beer.
No way to tell how good you are. Some people are amazing after a few years coding, some people are still shit after 20.
You should still be able to make bank on these three tracks for the next 5 years:
1. Mobile apps.
2. Writing software for Internet marketers. They pull out their wallets for anything.
3. Selling exploits on the black market.
See Sorry dude.
>will it be all pooinloos?
no. very simple stuff that anyone can do such as web design is easy to out source, but actual coding can only be done by western educated whites.
It's a mixed bag. A friend of mine got a 95k year job right out of school. Making website for the govt. Seemed great till he realize the company he worked for was unstable as fuck.
>No way to tell how good you are. Some people are amazing after a few years coding
Well, Im not sure myself how good can I bee in coding since I havent dwell that deep with it, but usually my initial feel for the thing is correct. What language should I first master via codecademy?
Ive learned some SQL which I needed, that seems relativly easy, is learning Java worth it still? What would you recommend?
>web design is easy to out source, but actual coding can only be done by western educated whites.
good to know, UK airports lost millions recently due to outsorcing everyhting.
Currently most in-demand job in the world right now. Have a friend doing it and he gets job offers from all over the places on a bi-weekly basis.
Pay seems decent and there are many contracting opportunities.
Skill set can be used to create your own products.
digits dictate if you begin studies.
> is learning Java worth it still?
Don't go for Java take Python or C++(even though it is not applied almost anywhere). Java is for Shitskin losers who want to feel better about themselves by writing useless operators.
friend got a job offer in Berlin for java few days ago
I felt for statistics meme, and now I either should take cs modules(which are shit), or embrace neethood or join army.
Learn some coding fundamentals but focus on IT Security. The market is booming, automation won't happen in our lifetime, and the pay is better than programming.
After learning C++ every other language looks like C++ with constraints.
Join the Army
C# is my language of choice, using xamarin to make mobile apps. Back on the job market in September, hoping it pays off. Used to just do web dev
This.
>tfw chem engineer who should have done Cs
It hurts. I'm 25 and much too old to change careers, lads.
What do you need to focus on to get into IT Security? I know a friend form Uni who got into it and he's making loads now
exactly
Wish I could get into security, I just find the idea of constantly fighting a losing battle miserable
>Currently most in-demand job in the world right now.
I tought it was oversaturated and not worth the time, sort of like what graphic design was 15 years ago.
>Don't go for Java take Python or C++
Im hearing good things about Python.
>I felt for statistics meme
That is not a meme my friend, I know statistics too, problem is that its highly connected to soc sci and politics. Learn data bases (bascis SQL, even Office Access is usefull).
also, one love Sup Forums, I was expecting, huurrr durr he majored in humanities what a tard...we all make mistakes, its great when people arent condescending about it.
programming is an incredibly degrading job that offers 0 job security and is the vocation most plagued by ageism by a far margin. You are not respected at any normal company. Every day, some Alpha who probably does nothing at his job except get his secretary to suck his dick in his corner office cucks you into doing random bitch work, and then yells at you when it's not done by the deadline despite it being impossible to complete the work requested. Not only that, the code rarely works, your co-workers are Indians brought in by Tata Consultancy who will replace you for half the salary and you have to train them to get your $500 severance, and the work never, ever ends. You pollute your body with the caffeinenated jew, deprive it of sleep, and let it rot while you sit the majority of the day, neglecting any healthy exercise, social interaction or life game goal attainment.
It's like a postal worker, but coupled with feelings of loneliness, helplessness and total hopelessness. Programmers are too depressed to go postal, a sad state of affairs. After dentists, programmers have the highest rates of mental disorders, especially depression, transgenderism and suicide.
It gets worse. Women, when they hear you are a programmer, instantly reject you. It is far better to tell a woman you are on welfare than to out yourself as a programmer. It's highly embarrassing for a woman to associate with a programmer, as everyone knows they are the grown up version of the hopeless virgin in high school. One who never really grew up and became normal and fit into society, but rather found an environment where he could escape the reality of his situation and be invisible, able to hide the toxic shame and utter humiliation that is the programmer.
Programming's father, Alan Turing, 404'd himself with cyanide because he was a programmer. Brogrammers, why haven't you taken the cyanide pill and quit jewgramming and turned to a respectable profession?
Some sort of DB language is a given, plus understand relational DBs and optimisation. SQL or oracle. Very similar.
Web dev moves very fast. Java script libraries, for instance, change continually. If you are generally capable you will be okay. It's getting a job that is the first hurdle. Then you can stay up to date whilst working and earning.
Eat my poo lads. We control the market with our shitty code. HAHAHA get rekt Europoors
>is learning Java worth it still?
Probably only if you're going to write Android apps. Java on the Web is pretty much dead, given the security concerns. Java on the desktop still gets play, but amateur computer users invariably get lost, and power users invariably groan when they discover an app is written in Java.
>It hurts. I'm 25 and much too old to change careers, lads.
Im older. Dont think that way.
>Learn some coding fundamentals but focus on IT Security. The market is booming, automation won't happen in our lifetime
from what I understand about ti, with security automation wont happen EVER. What should I learn? where to start?
>We control the market with our shitty code.
And we will do testing for 100x the pay.
AHAHAHAHA. Eat my shit PooInLooPoor
Dude, learn node.js. Not enough Devs in Charlotte right now and you'll make 1.5x what you're worth.
- IT Project Manager
pasta as fuck
You're an idiot. I didn't learn to code and get into a programming job until I was 30, a few years later and I was making $200k at Google, step the fuck up.
If you didn't care about it when you were a kid? Stay away, you'll just burn yourself out.
Networking, architecture, risk analysis, legal/regulatory compliance, asset security, threat mitigation.
I recommend getting net+ & sec+ certs, gsec, and most importantly CISSP. You can get CISSA with no experience, and after 4 years of work in the field upgrade to CISSP.
I work in SF Bay Area, ~180k salary, with benefits total compensation around 260k
At this point coding is like reading, I dont know any STEM that doesnt know how to code, so its not like engineers need a "coder" to do their shit, it maybe be useful to get pajeets to do the grunt work though.
Pajeetgramming is overrated.
Fuck off pajeet, fuck you and your shit tier code, everything you touch turns to poo
Really tho?
Ok I'll bite. Would you rec Python c# or c++ to start? Only coming from limited experience in Visual Basic for excel and some matlab scripting.
>where to start?
Get fundamental certs and you can land an entry level analyst position np. There is huge demand worldwide. Businesses constantly struggling to find skilled security pros. I've been in it for 6 years now I could move anywhere in the world I want and find work easily.
you should thank me for the bugs then Latrine
>Would you rec Python c# or c++ to start?
I heard Fortran is popular nowadays.
>I kind of done goofed and did masters in humanities (YOLO)
don't ever post here again
Ur a cheeki cunt but I use it everyday.
that just means western companies are paying double for the same job you retard
copy pasta
yuh8in user??
>Ur a cheeki cunt but I use it everyday.
So are you a mathematician or just working with some big science project?
>Get fundamental certs and you can land an entry level analyst position np.
Im not that far from 30 bro, will that be a problem for
employment or shoul I plan on self-employment? is a year enough to "get in it"?
>don't ever post here again
sorry, didnt know pol is 90% STEM educated.
C# and Java are very easy to learn and there is plenty of jobs for entry-level guys. C++ looks like harlekin baby nowadays. It's overkill in 99% cases.
i touched your mum last night lad
>be western
>be white
learn X++, but C++, Java or python are good to, but the competition is bigger.
All of the process simulation tools I've used include scripting functionality and it's always Fortran.
It's awful.
Yes just sit and write code. No matter the language just try to understand the logic of library and particular language. Don't listen to people who say one language is better than other. When you will know how to program getting into new language is a question of month. Coding expands logical thinking to a level that you can do virtually anything. Everything is based on knowledge but coding takes your living experience to another level.
By the way this place helps a lot even though Terry hates MIT NIGGERS.
edx.org
>tfw flunked out of my cs degree
o fug :DDD
When deep learning AI becomes mainstream and not just a Google experiment, it will be able to perform all but the most advanced coding tasks. For every six code monkeys that are hired today, there will be one machine doing the coding and one high-level code monkey who checks his work and makes sure he doesn't fuck up too badly. In other words, in a few decades coding as a career will be dead and only the cream of the crop will still have jobs.
Also, as for OP specifically what my friends in the industry have told me is that it's competitive to the point you need a degree if you want a chance of getting an office job, basically the only thing you can do without one is freelance web design for local small businesses, and that market is so ridiculously fucking competitive you'll need many god-tier connections and networking skills if you ever want to get into the market. So basically, you're fucked.
No problem at all. If you don't have kids / have spare time you can bang out all of the certs I mentioned in a year. After ~10 years experience if you want to open your own consulting firm you should be more than capable.
SAD.
Is IT growing?
Is it smart to get a degree in IT?
Programming means usually sitting behind a screen all day long.Thats not what humans are born to do.You will always feel that you miss something.You make plenty cash,buy cars,homes,whore,yet you still feel that something is missing.That is nature.
you forgot on of the biggest ways to get money by doing nothing.
porn games with good art.
It's fun this is what I built today
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I know he is faggy but still smart.
being worried that 'learning ai' will take over programming jobs is like being worried the protocol droids will take over service jobs
If for nothing else, do it for this. I feel this way about learning new spoken languages.
>youtube.com
Not posting Terry.
HOLY C is the future.
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I'm learning Python at the moment. Hoping to get a job in web or data.
software engineer here
companies cannot find enough good codemonkeys. if you have no formal education in CS:
>1) start working on a github portfolio, and working on some complex projects in a couple different languages to show off to potential employers.
>2) try to work with Java, C++, Python, and if you want to do front-end work get some experience with javascript, HTML, and JSF... basically tune it towards the kind of development you want to do
>3) after a few months/few large projects you should have the experience and be good enough to be employable
After that's done, spend a week or so applying to literally every job you can find on every employment site. That's what I've done(I'm looking for a new job) and I get calls from recruiters every single day trying to schedule interviews. Again I reiterate, the demand for GOOD programmers is literally INSATIABLE right now. If you know what you're doing you'll get hired and be making over 65k(in suburbia) or 80k(in big cities), easily.
The challenge for me is I'm aiming for senior level jobs with borderline mid-level experience, so I've had a lot of interviews but only 2 offers, due to my youth.
Also, this is a good book for CISSP. I've skimmed through a few and this one is the best for preparing to certify.
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you fagoat
Programmer here, if you call your profession anything other than programming, you're a pajeet whose poo goes to the loo.
Nice one.
I think there may also be good profits in those Flash games -- just the simple escape games and whatnot. The sites hosting all those games would probably be getting $0.50 or so per play.
Then there's writing freeware but packaging it with adware.
Holy Christ is the way forward indeed.
Do you have a degree? I am trying to get a job in full stack web dev with the goal of transitioning those skills into security.
That's because it would be too expensive to physically manufacture, but the AI for it exists. There is no physical limitation to a coding machine. Deep learning has already reached the point where it's beaten several global Go masters, a game that has more possible moves in it than there are atoms in the visible universe.
I've always wondered what the point of hiring pajeets is if you still have to keep native workers around to make the code work.
What would you consider a 'complex' project? I'm more of a front end developer, lost my job in January and haven't been able to find a job since then. I'm self taught.
I built a shitty React app that displays daily local events by selecting a date from a calendar, but nobody gives a fuck.
>youtube.com
10 years and a schizo guy makes a dialect in C and his own OS from scratch if he can do it. Anyone can do it.
how did You loose Your job?
>Programmer here, if you call your profession anything other than programming, you're a pajeet whose poo goes to the loo.
>not being a code artisan
I do not hold a degree. I got into ITSEC with a High school diploma, a few years of tech support, and a few certifications. I don't think the years in tech support is necessary, the security certs and a willingness to continue developing your skills is what counts.
Again, employers are so hard up for security staff degrees are not a roadblock at all.
>I'm proud of the fact that I learned for years how to dumb myself down for a computer to understand to make a stupid android game
You're fucking retarded.No one should be proud of being a """""programmer""""".I have more respect for a car mechanic.
>edx.org
Im using codecademy, seems legit, should I switch?
thanks friend! I dont have to get big, just want to be in a non-replacable position regarding job.
>Again I reiterate, the demand for GOOD programmers is literally INSATIABLE right now.
who would have though? I tought it was already on the graphic design level.
>AI
stop it with AI phantasies.
How come so many poo in loos can program
It was just a small 3 man web dev business. The boss just had a kid and said he didn't have enough new work to afford me. A month later he fired the other employee.
Get raked, (((code artisans))) are hipster faggots.
>>>/loo/
I wrote kernel modules while you were on your designated shitting streets.
At the point this technology is implemented it wont only be programmers that suffer..
>AI TOOK URR JERBS!!
american software engineer.. same issues. PooInLoo is pretty poo generally. I have been on teams with very good indian programmers though.
>no. very simple stuff that anyone can do such as web design is easy to out source
I'm guessing you meant front end development, not web design as that is a graphic/ui/ux and PooInLoo doesn't do that. Even with front end development a PooInLoo will fuck it up, especially if you are using a framework (react/angular) and want good front end performance.
>is learning Java worth it still?
A good rule of thumb to determine if a language/tech is worth learning is search a job website. Plenty of Java jobs out there.
Programmer here, can certify this is bullshit.
A guy works on a PhD for a program that corrects peoples code based on commit history - and it does work some but it still uses bleeding edge machine learning. At no point will it be easy to express to a machine to create what you want it to, and there will always be pajeets and shitty coders who create more problems than they solve.
This will not change, not ever. One PhD guy spends 4 years creating something that can correct mistakes in code based on commit history, that's a long long long fucking way from machines magically reading your mind and whipping up a whole system for you on the fly, Schlomo.
>Im using codecademy, seems legit, should I switch?
You can do both.
Codeacademy for me was shit but it works for some people.
Would spendin 8k on a 5 month code boot camp with 90%+ job placement be a mistake?
Tech industry also tends to be feast or famine. Very volatile. Make hay when the sun shines and save your money. Find something that has more stability if you weren't a nerd when you were a kid.
>90%+ job placement
that is most likely a lie.
Yes. There are plenty of free resources and forums full of helpful people of you get stuck. Buy books educate yourself, join communities of professionals in the area you're studying.
who else /vba/ master race? i work on the business side so no one has any idea how long it takes to program some macros, and i seem like a wizard to them. throw in some pivot tables and nice aesthetics and get paid son.
This.
The place will crash and burn worse than in 2000's
Maybe after the E-economy slows down and pajeets get fired,they will start building toilets.
There are a billion of them, matter of proportionality I suppose
>“I didn’t become a software engineer to be trying to make ends meet,” said a Twitter employee in his early 40s who earns a base salary of $160,000. It is, he added, a “pretty bad” income for raising a family in the Bay Area.
>“We make over $1m between us, but we can’t afford a house,” said a woman in her 50s who works in digital marketing for a major telecoms corporation, while her partner works as an engineer at a digital media company. “This is part of where the American dream is not working out here.”
>Another tech worker feeling excluded from the real estate market was 41-year-old Michael, who works at a networking firm in Silicon Valley and last year earned $700,000. Sick of his 22-mile commute to work, which can sometimes take up to two and half hours, he explored buying a property nearer work. Although he said his salary means he can afford to live a decent life, he finds the cost of living, combined with the terrible commute, unpalatable.
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>In 2015, according to SmartAsset.com, the cost of living there was "62.6% higher than the U.S. average." In 2016, the same site found that you'd need to make at least $216,129 a year to afford the rent on an average two-bedroom apartment.
>The article recounts the frustrations of tech workers making between $100,000 and $700,000 a year and yet finding themselves rent-burdened, unable to save and commuting for hours each day. In one colorful example, an Apple employee lived until recently in a garage in Santa Cruz, using a bucket as a toilet.
yeah this... No point to lyf anons.
get the popcorn and sit in front of your self dug shallow grave as you await the impending doom and it that awaits just beyond the ever-shifting horizon.