Are black people, white people, asians, etc like different dog breeds? Where some, on average, are more intelligent or more strong than others due to natural selection prioritizing different traits needed in different environments? Like how a German Shepard is, on average, smarter than, say, a Pug, an asian, on average, is smarter than a black guy?
Are Different Human Races like Dog Breeds?
Thomas Gomez
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Blake Evans
No. Dogs are purpose bred. They all excel at something. The same isn't true of human races.
Justin Martin
bump been wondering this too
Isaiah Thompson
I kind of wonder this too. Sometimes I think different races are made to adapt to their surroundings.
Jace Martinez
Yes, you know it, they know it, everyone knows it. Blacks have lower IQ, can run faster, chinks are smaller, have a higher IQ, etc. The stereotypes exist for a reason.
Jeremiah Cox
Pit bulls are the "N's" of the dog world
Jason Watson
You clearly don't have a clue about mutts. All my dogs have been mutts and they are healthier, more intelligent and live longer than purebreds.
Parker Harris
yes, yes, yes....and yes.
whites = creativity, inventions
blacks = athletics
asians = math/rote work
loos = coding/rote work
arabs = violence
jews = physics/manipulation of human beings
Christian Allen
Just say nigger you soft cunt
Brayden Campbell
what species would arab be
Christopher Taylor
It is exactly true for human races... Humans were selected based on their environments. Africans never had to survive winters
Carter Phillips
That is true take Swedes for example, they are worthless at defending their culture, their clay, and their women.
Leo Jackson
same goes with france
Jackson Bennett
It's true.
Jose Morris
pit bulls
Jose Nguyen
I wonder too if white people were more intelligent on the world scene due to having access to alot more livestock and geography suited to agriculture than other groups of people, allowing for higher food output, allowing for more people to do specialty work, gain knowledge, and intellectually advance the community. Along with people having higher access to food and, therefore, be more able to genetically advance intelligence vs say black people in the jungle who didn't have as much of a food surplus. But that asians didn't have as much livestock as whites, did they? I'd have to google that more.
Zachary Campbell
I mean, we have scientific proof that black people are physically faster than everyone else, and no one refutes this. so it makes perfect sense that some of us would be smarter, and stronger, etc.
the main thing to take away from all of this is not to rank humans on a scale of best to worse, but to acknowledge that we all excel at different things.
Tyler Jackson
Get your shit together. Don't settle for flinging shit like some inferior resigned commie, bubba.
Jaxson Fisher
Some goat mix
Leo Brooks
Overall Japanese have connected with God more than any other ethnicity alive today
Jace Evans
Take your own advise sven, get out of the cuckshed and take back your country.
Joseph Robinson
I've always considered it a sort of inconvenient truth. Since its taboo to even mention something like that in society. But obviously genes do play a big part in determining people's aptitudes or ease in life. Two people can be raised within the same miserable conditions, and they may both end up miserable. But one may end up slightly better off, or much better off than the other. Everyones wants to say we're all equal and part of the same circle. But the truth is thats just how we ideally want to see and treat each other, even if we know deep down we're genetically very different.
Brayden Bennett
Likewise. Are you done with your tangent now?
Justin Turner
>Africans never had to survive winters
Suggest you look into the building of the ALCAN Highway during WWII. Negro crews kicked white butt on that nasty and cold job.
Jackson Miller
no because human races are genetically farther apart than dog breeds COMMENCING DUMP
(1997) Barbujani et. al., find a human genetic distance of ,155. There are no recognized subspecies.
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(2001) Kim et. al., find an Asian dog genetic distance of ,154. There are eleven recognized subspecies.
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(1994) Roy et. al., find a North American coyote genetic distance of ,107. There are nineteen recognized subspecies.
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(2002) Schwartz et. al., find a Canadian lynx genetic distance of ,033. There are three recognized subspecies.
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(2014) Jackson et. al., find a humpback whale genetic distance of ,12. There are three recognized subspecies.
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(2008) Lorenzen, Arctander & Siegismund find a plains zebra genetic distance of ,11. There are five recognized subspecies.
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(2003) Pierpaoli et. al., find a European wildcat genetic distance of ,11. There are three recognized subspecies and five biogeographic groups according to (Mattucci et. al., 2016).
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(2007) Lorenzen et. al., find a Kob antelope genetic distance of ,11. There are two to three recognized subspecies.
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(2003) Jordana et. al., find a south European beef cattle genetic distance of ,068. There are eighteen recognized subspecies.
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(2004) Williams et. al., find a red winged blackbird genetic distance of ,01. There are twenty-two recognized subspecies.
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Evan Fisher
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(1997) Wise et. al., show that the genetic variability within humans is 0,776. There are zero recognized human subspecies.
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(1997) Wise et. al., find a chimpanzee genetic variability of ,63. There are four recognized subspecies.
(2001) Uphyrkina et. al., find a leopard genetic variability of ,58. There are thirteen recognized subspecies.
(2001) Eizirik et. al., find a jaguar genetic variability of ,739. There are nine recognized subspecies.
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(2000) Culver et. al., find a puma genetic variability of ,52. There are six recognized subspecies.
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(2002) Schwartz et. al., find a Canadian lynx genetic variability of ,66. There are three recognized subspecies.
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(1998) Paetkau et. al., find a North American brown bear genetic variability of ,5275. There are nineteen recognized subspecies.
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(2000) Waits et. al., find a Scandinavian brown bear genetic variability of ,687. There are nineteen recognized subspecies.
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(1996) Garcia-Moreno et. al., find a coyote genetic variability of ,629. There are nineteen recognized subspecies. They further find a Gray wolf genetic variability of ,574. There are thirty-seven recognized subspecies.
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(2001) Girman et. al., find an African wild dog genetic variability of ,643. There are five recognized subspecies.
(2001) Kyle & Strobeck find a North American wolverine genetic variability of ,55. There are two to three recognized subspecies.
(2001) Walker et. al., find a Scandinavian wolverine genetic variability of ,325. There are three recognized subspecies.
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(2000) Polziehn et. al., find an elk genetic variability of ,395. There are seven to eight recognized subspecies.
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(1995) Forbes et. al., find a bighorn sheep genetic variability of ,6235. There are three recognized subspecies.
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(2000) Reinartz et. al., find a bonobo genetic variability of ,535. There is one subspecies.
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(1999) Paetkau et. al., find a polar bear genetic variability of ,68. There is one subspecies.
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(1999) Wilton, Steward & Zafiris find an Australian dingo genetic variability of ,445. There is one recognized subspecies.
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(1996) Garcia-Moreno et. al., find a domesticated dog genetic variability of ,5085. There is one recognized subspecies, and there are many breeds.
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Parker Jenkins
(2000) Turkheimer presents his Three Laws of Behavioral Genetics and explains their meaning.
Turkheimer begins by stating, "The nature-nurture debate is over. The bottom line is that everything is heritable, an outcome that has taken all sides of the naturenurture debate by surprise. Irving Gottesman and I have suggested that the universal influence of genes on behavior be enshrined as the first law of behavior genetics (Turkheimer & Gottesman, 1991), and at the risk of naming laws that I can take no credit for discovering, it is worth stating the nearly unanimous results of behavior genetics in a more formal manner."
The Three Laws are as follows:
? First Law. All human behavioral traits are heritable.
? Second Law. The effect of being raised in the same family is smaller than the effect of genes.
? Third Law. A substantial portion of the variation in complex human behavioral traits is not accounted for by the effects of genes or families.
In short: no one is born tabula rasa.
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(2005) Philippe Rushton and Arthur Jensen (author of, "The g Factor") conclude that IQ is the greatest indicator of future success in Western societies when inter-generational income dependence is accounted for.
They also found that IQ is at least 50% heritable and likely nearer to 80% heritable. To draw comparison, height is 70-90% heritable.
During their analysis they concluded that Whites have a minimum of 75% IQ heritability.
Ryder Perry
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(2004) Plomin & Spinath discuss intelligence in the wider context of genetics, genes, and genomics.
Their discussion is multi-faceted; their analysis illustrates proof of the genetic heritability of intelligence, the immense weakness of environmental explanations for intelligence, changes in heritability during development, a multivariate analysis of IQ and various testing metrics, gene expression profiling, and genomics.
This is an excellent compilatory piece.
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(2009) Rushton & Jensen refute erroneous claims made about the nature of the Flynn Effect and its relationship with the Black-White IQ gap.
In their conclusions they state, "We conclude that predictions about the Black–White IQ gap narrowing as a result of the secular rise are unsupported. The (mostly heritable) cause of the one is not the (mostly environmental) cause of the other. The Flynn Effect (the secular rise in IQ) is not a Jensen Effect (because it does not occur on g)."
Caleb Cook
(2001) Rushton & Rushton show evidence for racial-group differences in the form of brain size and structure, IQ, and musculoskeletal trait variation.
Their analysis shows significant variation in both the structure and sizes of the brains of Negroids, Caucasoids, and East-Asians. In addition to this, they have found differences in the skull shapes and structures of the races, alongside differences in average height and weight and all parts of the bone and muscle structures from the neck to the feet.
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(2007) Shatz analyzes the relationship between IQ and fertility.
They find that IQ is negatively associated with total fertility rate, birth rate, and population growth rate. This means that higher IQ populations are less fertile than lower IQ populations.
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(2013) Michael Woodley, Jan Nijenhuis, and Raegan Murphy conclude that Western IQs have declined by an average of 1,6 points per decade since the Victorian Era.
Brayden Jones
Higher IQ people are more productive, healthier, and are more creative. The reduction in IQs across the West has been met with a marked decrease in average productivity and general health despite vast increases in average wealth, nutrition and access to healthcare.
The cumulative reduction in IQ is between 12,45 and 13,35 points or roughly one standard deviation on a normal IQ bell curve. This represents an eight-fold reduction in the number of geniuses and a counter to the Flynn Effect.
The resultant decrease in IQ is attributed to dysgenics in the form of outbreeding and negative mate selection within populations. The importation of migrants of different races and ethnicities preempts the outbreeding and subsequent loss in IQ. This effect has sped up as migration has increased.
William Martinez
Thanks user. Good shit.
Tyler Lewis
Mexican American reporting in.
Ethan James
Spot on annon.
A border collie isnt "better" than a pit bull. The collie just excels at herding sheep, and the pit bull excels at tearing babies apart.
Isaiah Long
Gee, it makes you think. Really activates those almonds.
Brayden Ramirez
NO!!!! HUMANS ARE 100% EQUAL THE SAME THROUGH AND THROUGH AND IF YOU THINK THAT A LITTLE BIT OF MELANIN IS TO BLAME FOR BLACKS BEING RETARDED YOU ARE A FUCKING RACIST YOU SHOULD NEVER ASK THESE QUESTIONS IF YOU KEEP ASKING THESE QUESTIONS YOUR FRIENDS WILL OSTRACIZE YOU AND YOUR GF WILL LEAVE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY WILL CRY BECAUSE YOU ARE A FUCKING RACIST AND BEING A FUCKING RACIST IS A BAD THING DON'T QUESTION IT JUST BELIEVE IT
Grayson Baker
Yes, evolution means that we aren't all equal. It's really simple.
Anthony Garcia
no cuz that's retarded
the different human "breeds" died out long ago in the homo wars
we the homo sapiens are the only ones to remain
Leo Torres
thats the most retarded classification of humans ever
you used both the outdated 4 races system and some modern ethnicities from the modern system
Gavin Murphy
I wonder if the book Guns Germs and Steel could shed any light on this matter? Could it be the case that genetics aren't really the cause for intelligence differences but simply geography and livestock availability affect a society's ability to do specialized research and grow technologically. Then groups remain different after contact due to them having to westernize, which has alot of problems, imperialism focused on fucking them over, taking a long time, etc.
Jonathan Morgan
We have never been bred specially enough to have as large a set of breeds as dogs, but your categories to an outside observer would be correct in terms of human breeds.
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Image what we could've done by now had eugenics remained a thing that wasn't vilified by modern society
Evan Evans
Due to different populations having different abilities to produce alot of food. Europeans were able to grow more food with less people than Africans in the jungle and therefore have more people focus on technological advancement. Due to geography and livestock possession.
William Fisher
>Guns Germs and Steel
Wew fucking lad. No that's nonsense. People evolved in separate environments for 10s of thousands of years. Africa is rich in resources and there was no excuse besides low intelligence for the lack of serious civilizations there besides slave empires.
Kevin Bell
Your mutts are not as smart as a border collie. Your mutts are not as violent as pit bull. A mutt is just a four leg shitting machine.
The white man didn't wave his magic stick over dogs to give them certain abilities, that was nature. The white man saw qualities in some dogs he liked and kept breeding them. Nature would have done something very similar but would have took longer.
Cooper Morales
By that logic Native Americans would've been the ones that discovered Europe.
Cooper Powell
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Brody Ross
if eugenics is a thing i'm fairly certain most Sup Forums users wouldn't exist now
Jason Scott
>t. inbred muslim
Lincoln Murphy
Would they of been? They had no cows, chickens, horses, any livestock really, till the Europeans arrived. I suppose they had potatoes , corn, etc. but that only goes so far. Aztec empire, Mayas, etc.
Cooper Torres
I mean I work hard and always been doing well at school and i don't leach off anyone
p certain my genetics are better than you at this
the fact you took offence to it tho must mean it hit a nerve
Thomas Parker
Natural ones,.. but yes.
Anthony Cruz
native americans had good technology considering they were isolated
it just seemed like the land wasnt used to europeans but it was in their own way
their only mistake was not having immunity to european diseases and not discovering gunpowder (which was a chinese invention)
Adam Stewart
Well they discovered the continent.
Bentley Martinez
Not an argument. You're making a case against historical achievements, while saying it's about intelligence. Those are not explanations for differences of intelligence.
Also
>GG&S
Brandon Nguyen
Few people in the world would.
Lucas Thomas
eugenics ultimately ends up with
"who gets to decide who to live and based on what qualities"
Grayson Nelson
Potatos and corn are way more than sufficient sustain a civilization. Also it's possible to breed llamas for riding. In Native Americans defense, they had less time to develop since they took so long to migrate.
Native Americans for the most part had no large scale governments which is what really did them in.
Thomas Reyes
No. Different races of humans are like coyotes, wolves, and foxes. The races that are mixed are like coy wolves and wolf dogs. Different breeds of dogs are like white people with different body types and different hair and eye colors and different hair texture (but not like with nigger yarn hair)
Josiah Davis
>what is soft eugenics
Protip: abortion is eugenics.
Luis Cruz
What's wrong with Guns Germs and Steel? Haven't people been deprived or had access to labor saving livestock since their existence? Doesn't it make sense that if a group of people can produce more food than another with less labor they can then spend labor on things like research, becoming a more educated society? Then they can snowball technologically and get to the point the British did, BTFO none Europeans left and right.
Samuel Russell
Yes. They're all fuckable
Joseph Phillips
Not fucking me because I'm unattractive is eugenics. Damned discriminatory bitches!
Juan Richardson
Better analogy than most.
But dogs breed indiscriminately.
Cultural values dominate the pareto of physiongomic and psychological types characteristic of different races.
Different races or dog breeds probably have different potential for specialization.
Michael Mitchell
well that ends up being the decision of the parents
you cant force a woman to abort
I think they did not on huge scale like empire wise
except maybe for the aztecs
but they had medium sized governments which were actually more "democratic" than european kingdoms
Elijah Sullivan
With supply's, they could not exists long term with out them. Have you ever seen a black guy do a survivalist show in the north Have you ever seen a black guy go camping out side of a park camp sight for that matterÉ
Lucas Phillips
>leaf
Owen Richardson
GGS constantly makes the argument that Europeans only succeeded due to their environment but at the same time refuses to acknowledge environmental pressures on evolution. You can't have it both ways.
David Rivera
>Guns Germs and Steel
fuck off, kike. that book is shit
Ryder Jones
>Pit bulls are the "N's" of the dog world
You can say niggers here. You aren't on plebbit anymore you sickening fucking faggot.
Nathaniel Barnes
Well Eugenics don't necessarily require sterilization of the, less intelligent breeds, just a controlled breeding program within humanity which separates itself from other populations. In an odd way many royal families were one of the closer things we have on record to a breeding program, but it wasn't done purely enough, or over a enough generations, or with enough respect for retaining positive traits, to really be noticeable, and arguably in many cases it was actually detrimental due to the prevalence of mental diseases within the often inbred European nobility.
Ryder Rodriguez
Yes.
Nathan Phillips
>loos = coding
LOLOLOLOL
Jackson Martinez
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Joshua Carter
Right, it's voluntary eugenics. That's my point. Aztecs and Incas had notable civilizations at the time, but that was about it. Everything else was just loosely organized, sparsely-distributed tribes. That's not nearly good enough to defend yourself against a conquering army.
Jace Howard
>Haven't people ... had access to labor saving livestock since their existence?
No, they were created. Their progenitors tamed, domesticated and then bred into existence.
>bla bla bla
You're still making a case against historical achievements, falsely calling it intelligence. You're either dumb or dishonest.
Charles Turner
Could it be the case their environment allowed them to evolve to become more intelligent to better survive in it/take advantage of it vs a black person in a jungle who didn't have the environmental nutrition to evolve intellectually and therefore only evolved to survive diseases and become stronger and stronger to use brute force to acquire food in a harsh environment that needed that most?
Christian Myers
Go back and stay there.
captcha: negro locations
Jason Harris
>You're still making a case against historical achievements, falsely calling it intelligence. You're either dumb or dishonest
What do you mean?
Leo Roberts
>Could it be the case their environment allowed them to evolve to become more intelligent
Absolutely. That's the only logical conclusion you could possibly make and GGS (as well as all other pure environmental/we're all equal types) completely ignore this.
Dylan Nguyen
Yeah so even though I am white, healthy, and have an above average intelligence dose not mean they would let me live. I am not skinny but am by no means a body builder, I am terrible at math and spelling despite my high IQ . So I would not be aloud to breed by the white master race just in case some of my bad traits got in the gene pool.
Logan James
>terrible at math
>high IQ
pick one
Logan Barnes
Niggity noggity fucking nigger dogs.
Oliver Wright
I think winters might have played a part as well. In a lot of place in Africa even if there was a drought or a flood you could just up and move to a new area.During the end of the last ice age in Europe, the middle east, and Asia winters where so bad you had to store food,plan and ahead of time. This I believe would lead to more intelligent people among those races to survive.
Oliver Ramirez
AHAHAH I know right...
Owen Moore
>Mexican American
Stop it. If you're a citizen, then you are an American. If you still identify as Mexican, even if only partially, then you can go ahead and fuck off back to that shithole.
Brayden Jenkins
Yeah but you're reading it slightly wrong I'd say. In terms of natural environments in a vacuum, jungles are probably the single easiest place on Earth to survive. Harsh environments/areas under threat from other human populations are where intelligence has in general sprouted.
Europe, and really the entire Mediterranean and Fertile Crescent were in a constant state of war back into time immemorial, which may explain why so much of human development occurred in these areas. I won't pretend to know enough about Chinese or Indian history to even know what their standings during these periods were though.
Ayden Wood
What about the Italians and Greeks of the ancient world? Did they really have harsh winters?
Oliver Rivera
The book argues(poorly) against the overwhelmingly superior historical achievements of Europeans stemming from traits innate to European peoples. It offers(terrible) alternate explanations of why Europeans may have come to be responsible for practically all human achievements in recent history.
It does not make any argument against the existence of the well-documented and massive discrepancy in intelligence between the races. It offers a(very poor) refutation of the specific argument that Europeans are more intelligent and superior BECAUSE of our achievements. Your presenting it as an argument about intelligence shows you either misunderstood it, or that you're being dishonest in your argument.
Jacob Rivera
Don't forget that things used to be colder. Italy and Greece have winters though.
Wyatt Richardson
>our achivement
did anyone on this site achieve anything
Bentley Adams
In group identity is valuable and vital to survival.
Xavier Barnes
what is valuable in a neckbeard shitposting about his race
Caleb Perez
It helped elected the most nationalist president that the US has had in decades.
Levi Howard
kek
Lincoln Smith
Why does that set you off? Interesting how efficient and precise phrasing would make you throw a fit.
Leo Torres
>people are so dumb they dont know how evolution works
Luis Adams
you wrote a paragraph about MUH RACE and i responded with a single statement mocking your whole life with it
yes i'm totally angry
Daniel Lewis
dogs in all inbred to the point it expresses physical flaws people find "cute". The whole point of a dog is its brain and stature never really leaves the neotenic and retains a puppy like state its entire live
Humans on the other hand are different species, its more like a coyote to a wolf. They can interbreed but have a lot of differences that make them their own clade