I consider myself fairly left leaning. Im pro estate tax. Pro gay marraige. Pro subsidized health care...

I consider myself fairly left leaning. Im pro estate tax. Pro gay marraige. Pro subsidized health care. Anti assault weapon. But how the fuck do liberals justify abortion? Youre literally taking an innocent life because its inconveniencing you. Thats horrifying to me

>Anti assault weapon
So how the fuck do you justify disarming law-abiding citizens while not disarming the criminals?

>pro estate tax
Kill yourself, you piece of shit.

Czeched

This is a bait thread but abortion is wrong desu

You are only correct on one position, so fuck off. We've been saying abortion is murder forever.

Nice image though.

As far as I'm concerned, it's the responsibility of the parents to make sure their children get the best chance to grow and reproduce.

Passing down your genes is a privilege, if people don't want to pass them down, that's their prerogative. You can see infanticide all over nature. Get over it.

>Pro gay marraige. Pro subsidized health care. Anti assault weapon
Fuck off fag

well, you have some shitty opinions on some things, but I at least applaud the being your own and not just parroting a political movement. 100% correct on abortion though, good job on that account.

You sound like the biggest fucking faggot ever. Whaaaa government potent us. Abortion is great because it is used predominantly by niggers spics liberals and white trash. All groups we need less of in this country. As for subsidized healthcare that's fine I guess if done properly but assault weapons are cool and estate taxes should not be a thing. Why the fuck does the government get to take my parents money they left for me. Taxation is theft and the government needs to learn its fucking place

Im not disarming anyone. Assault weapons are a subset of guns. Im not anti gun but nobody really needs the ability to fire off 300 rounds in 5 minutes
>muh defense
From what? A mongol hoarde?

Abortion is good. How could less poor people, niggers and single mothers be wrong?

>how the fuck do liberals justify abortion?

They don't. FEMALE liberals, and occasionally beta orbiters praying the female will notice their existence, justify abortion. I know a few liberal males and they don't like it either.

As for "why", basically, "a woman has the god given right to have drunken sex without a condom at the frat house party and not have to deal with nuisances like "babies" afterwards". That's literally it. They'll give you a meaningless argument about "my body, my choice" but it basically translates back to "I want to have sex with zero consequences".

Note how only young women are pro-abortion crusaders, once a woman gets a husband and a few kids and can therefore afford to have another one she magically turns anti-abortion.

I see murder, rape and canabalism in nature too. Should we legalize those?

Abortion isn't murder dumb ass it gets rid of undesirables and relieves burden from the state. Inb4 Muh morality. There are too many people on this planet already that can't take care of themselves.

When you get worms, it's best to remover them.
Same principle.

I pay income tax. Why should moneybags jr be left off the hook? He did nothing to earn it

>taxation is theft
Lol i didnt even catch that at first. Fuck off. Youre paying for a service. Nice bait tho

Because someone had to earn it dumbass. If you hustled as hard as you hate your make more money. You're just pissed off some people have it easier than you. Fucking loser lol youre complaining just like a dumb liberal

Abortion should be mandatory.

You're jumping a very clear gap in your rebuttal.

I never said it was ok to kill each other's kids. It's the equivalent of castrating yourself when you consider the end result.

Also, you should see WHY those things happen in nature. Not just try to lump everything all animals do to try and make a point.

So, in short, no. The golden rule very much applies here.

That baby completely depends upon the consent of the pregnant woman in order for it to live. If it could survive despite this, then it'd be its own body.
That collection of cells may be a living thing, I'm not even going to say that it's not, but it's no place for the government to tell someone else what they can do with their body. If she wants to kill it, and a doctor is willing to do it for her, then it's her choice.

Get your feelings out of my womb.

What service? Constant encouragement on my freedoms and handouts to niggers and spics? Get fucking real we are slaves to our government. The less taxes and power they have over us the better. Keep thinking they want to help you idiot

The estate tax isnt on the dad who earned it. That dudes dead. The tax only effects his kid

Fur is murder too.

Yes I know. Why can't my children have what I've worked so hard for? I already paid taxes when I made it. Estate tax is just another way for government to take money out of ordinary people's pockets.

>very clear gap
I thought you set the precedent for nature. I didnt know it was an arbitrarily specific and undefined subset of nature. My bad
>castrating yourself
The whole point is youre not doing it to yourself. Youre taking another humans life

So graverobbing is justified to you?Estate tax is nothing like income tax. They're both immoral but they're completely incomparable.

Because it's not alive fuckhead, it's literally just a bunch of fucking cells. You better be vegan if you're going to take about the immorality of taking lives.

I've gotten two different girls pregnant and they've both aborted. I'm glad, fuck off. Kids fucking suck and I didn't want to be with either of these women.

If in the future I find a woman I could actually see myself with indefinitely then maybe I'll have kids.

So a man in a medically induced coma, who's completely dependent on the life support machine controlled by the ICU's doctor, does not have his own body and it's perfectly okay for the doctor to turn off the life support machine and kill him? Even though in a few months he would be perfectly okay again?

Do females actually fail at logic this fucking hard?

She doesnt need to conciously consent for the baby to live, only for it to die. And even if i agreed with that flawed logic there are 19 states where you can get an abortion at 23 weeks when a fetus can survive outside the womb

Im sure you havnt used a road or public utility before

Its already illlegal to make clothes out of human flesh

They can have it. But thats a form of income and should pay an income tax. I pay taxes on the money i recieve. No idea why youve been so indoctrinated into this autocratic belief that the rich should be exempt from taxes

You already pay taxes on the grave

Embryos aren't people cuz brains n shit and don't have rights. People's rights trump non-people's 'rights'.

Even if embryos have rights they don't have the right to parasitically leech blood nutrients from someone because no one has that right. Giving people that right makes cannibalistic vampirism legal.

Well, you chose to only reply to that part of the comment and not the rest in an attempt to make it a slippery slope.

My point wasn't "because it happens in nature it should be ok" it was more a comment to let you see that it isn't such a big issue in the first place.

My main point is: the end result, is the same. If you castrate yourself or you kill your fetus your genes don't get passed down and that is for the best. If you don't want to create offspring then you shouldn't be forced to.

You're out of touch with what life is ultimately about: To pass down your genes. And you're also a cuck since you care so much about what other's are doing with their genes instead of what's happening to yours. If nobody's killing your kids and they have a fair chance of reproducing then what's it to you?

Oh wait, your whole point is that a fetus is a human being and it should have the rights of one. Is that right?

Everything is just a bunch of cells

Use a condom you degenerate nigger

>You're out of touch with what life is ultimately about: To pass down your genes
I emphatically disagree. But youre a faggot tho. I support your right to be married

Then you're looking for meaning where there isn't.

You're nothing but a ship for your genes to travel until you can get them mixed with somebody else.

That's it. And only the ones that can and WANT should have offspring. We're an advanced enough species to be able to create a pseudo-heaven where we can fulfill our sexual desires without having the consequences brought up because of the evolutionary path our species took.

Oh well, I thought you would have more reasons for your way of thinking...

"Assault weapons" is a made up term by fear mongering politicians trying to strip citizens of their rights.
"Assault weapons" bans in California ban modern comfort features such as adjustable stock, pistol grip, and toolless magazine release.

Assault rifles, short barrel rifles, suppressors, etc... are already restricted by the NFA and require heavy background checks, $200 tax stamp transfers, and for automatic the parts must be manufactured before September 13, 1994.

The leftists lie about guns and you just believe them and think they are doing the right think. They are not. They are now trying to cripple guns with state legislation because their attacks on the 2nd amendment have been failing for many years.

Muh roads argument. Nice try bub. Estate tax does nothing to help fun those. That's what tolls are for. Taxes are way too high and way too prevalent in our country. But hey we have to keep supporting minorities and paying for wars to keep the military industrial complex alive. Why don't you read some fucking things about the way in which our country actually works before you make such dumb posts friend

I never said life had intrinsic meaning. Read some camus or satre you uncultured fag

Oh wow those two scenarios are comparable. Do you have any idea what a fucking burden children are? Especially with modern women? Not to mention the current job market and alimony/child support laws. You're so stupid it's funny. Don't let your emotions get in the way of logical thinking. Then you'd actually get someplace in your life

Free abortion for niggers, mexicans and jews

White women have to be on a 10 month white privilege waiting list

Adoption

What lies? I was very clear i support guns just not assault rifles
>assault rifles is a vague term
I agree
>lefties want to cripple guns
Good. Guns are cool and useful tools but you dont need to be arnold from commando

You said taxation is theft. I was merely pointing out one of the many comforts you continue to use that was funded by tax money. And judging by your shitty education id say you went to public school too

Adoption

I don't see how that would change my mind about what life ultimately is.

You seem to be in denial about what you are though.

Either way, at this point you're not even attempting to refute anything or even justifying your views.

Have a nice day and good luck saving other people's babies.

/sage

Okay, imagine this.
You meet a nice girl, you start to getting to know each other, you start dating. After a while you two think you should get it to the next level.
You both consent to sex but aren't ready for a baby both emotionally and financially.
You buy a condom, she buys spermicides and contraception pills but shit still happens.
After two months you find out that your gf is pregnant.
You have a dillema: have a child that you won't be able to support, that will have shit childhood and grow up to be junkie or remove bunch of cells from your gf's body.
Until 3rd month fetuses aren't even developed so I can't see what's wrong with it.

If guns are cool and useful tools, why aren't assault rifles super cool and super useful tools?.

How the fuck do you justify being pro gay marriage? This is just horrifying to me.

They aren't exempt they still pay taxes. Taxes shouldn't even be a thing. They're way too damn high and support a bloated government

Im not in denial im just not 14 and in the middle of reading my high schools copy of origin of species
>life is devoid of meaning were just here to pass on genes man like evolution an shit
>we should have laws in place to protect our right to not to pass on our genes tho
>but inalienable rights dont exist cuz were just apes my dude

If i didnt want it id give it up for adoption. I wouldnt murder someone just because my rubber broke

Why shouldn't citizens be as well armed as their government?

Why would you legally discriminate someone?
Either remove marriage from state and leave it up to churches or recognize both marriages.
I dislike fags too but it's unfair to discriminate against them legally.
Private discrimination by churches and companies is ok but not the state one.

It's a constitutional right. You should be defending it just as you would freedom of speech.

How about we pass hate speech laws to ban speech which is racist and reprehensible? This is not about getting what you want this is about upholding rights of the people.

Create a generic term. "Hate speech", "Assault Weapons". You can redefine the term at any time and just append anything you don't like to the list that's banned. This is not how constitutional RIGHTS work without DUE PROCESS. Constitutional rights are inalienable by state and federal law without due process.

You are no liberal because you don't even understand or care about liberties afforded to you. You are a modern leftist. I never said assault rifles is a vague term, I said "Assault Weapons" is a made up term and they define it however they please whenever they please. You are a fool.

They are super cool. I love commando. But theyre dangerous and most people are morons. The same reason we dont let just any asshole jump on a 747 and start flying. Super useful tool. Not safe for every dickbag off the street

Why are you so indoctrinated that the government needs to keep propping itself up on more an more taxes you disgusting socialist. Have some kids and work up your wealth and see how happy you would feel knowing that once you die the government for no reason gets money that all your kids would've had. But I assume you are the type of person that would never leave an inheritance.

Kill yourself you statist piece of shit

So vote to change government. Stuff costs money. Thats life. Go join a hippie commune i guess

>But how the fuck do liberals justify abortion?

1. a fetus is not a baby. Fetuses aren't somebody else's body because they aren't "someone" yet. In fact, human fetuses in early stages are identical to ones of other mammals.

2. Men and women should have absolute control over their bodies. No state or institution should be able to tell us what we can do with our bodies, period.

3. Therefore, abortion should be legal

Yes, that's perfectly reasonable but I don't think it's a murder the same way I think masturbation is not a murder.
Also my mom worked at the institution for parentless kids ran by a priest and nuns.
Kids were always starving, they were beating the shit out of them, a priest raped one girl so I'd rather remove it before it's too late than have it live a miserable life.

Because at this point in history thats impossible. Right to bear arms was written before hydrogen bombs

The vast majority of abortions are shitskins. Why do you insist on stopping this?

wrong picture in OP

I support right to bear arms. I own a gun myself

>how about we pass speech laws
Shouting fire in a crowded thestre is already illegal

The birth canal does not confer personhood. A fetus is a genetically unique living human.

Hydrogen bombs have nothing to do with constitutional rights. What are you even trying to say?

We invented a new technology, now women's right to vote is outdated?
A new invention has been made, now you are going to be subjected to cruel and unreasonable punishment?

You have no argument, that argument makes no sense.

>Shouting fire in a crowded thestre is already illegal
No it isn't. Look up the history of the phrase. It is a comment on an unrelated case by a judge. It never has been illegal to yell fire in a theater, and nobody has ever been charged with a criminal offense for doing so.

>Though the image often represents illegal speech, "shouting fire in a crowded theater" refers to an outdated legal standard.
>At one point, the law criminalized such speech, which created a "clear and present danger."
>But since 1969, for speech to break the law, it can’t merely lead others to dangerous situations.
>It must directly encourage others to commit specific criminal actions of their own.

Wrong. Try again lefty.

I dont really care if anyone kill kids while they are in the womb. It is acceptable murder to me it doesnt even have object permanence.

just dont tell someone else to pay for it thats being a cunt

>more an more taxes
Stuff still costs money. I mean itd be cool if it didnt but hey thats life. Inheritance is a form of income and i dont believe the rich should be exempt from income tax

Oh good, you're making points.

So, you don't agree with life being devoid of meaning and we're byproducts of evolution?

You believe we should be forced to have offspring even when we're not ready or willing. And also from your other posts you seem to be under the impression that there will be a family willing to adopt every kid out there.

I believe in inalienable rights, just not for lumps of stem cells.

I think the main difference between me and you is that while you're reading philosophy getting your liberal arts degree, I'm getting my master's in the STEM field.

What you need is an education... more books less weed.

>nobody really needs the ability to fire off 300 rounds in 5 minutes
>>muh defense
>From what? A mongol hoarde?
implying you or anyone else can guarantee what the future may or may not hold

>a fetus is not a baby
Yes it is

what really activates my almonds, is when a pregnant woman is murdered, the attacker will be charged with 2 murders.

You don't even have to argue that. That's the wonderful thing about rights. You don't have to make a case to get them. You just get them.

Nobody really needs free speech, why do you need that? X country has censorship and my brother lives there and is perfectly happy.
Don't get pulled into a leftists fallacy. You don't have to explain why you exercise a right to anyone.

A fetus and semen are very different. Please read a biology textbook
>their life might be shit im doing them a favor
Let them decide if its shit

Meant for

Well, if you wan't more welfare recipient's and criminals good for you.

I was specifically referring to right to bear arms. But you knew that fuckhead

Its an expression. There are plenty of instances where speech is illegal. As in when it
>directly encourages others to commit specific criminal actions of their own

Explain to me what the second amendment right have to do with hydrogen bombs.
How does a new invention strip you of constitutional rights.

Please actually explain your argument. Don't just dump sentences out on a table and expect me to make your claim for you.

Holy shit you're right!
They can always kill themselves if they want to!
Thanks for (partially) opening my eyes!
Still I wouldn't let myself not being able to raise a kid and provide him a good life. And it'd be horrible if my unwanted kid killed himself.

So we already have a sensible law that restricts a tiny subsection of free speech, specifically about criminal actions and violence.
And we have the NFA which specifically restricts a tiny subsection of firearms, specifically about automatic weapons, short barreled rifles, suppressors, etc..

We already have those, why do we need more? Also why do you need vague terms to just carpet ban whole categories of things you don't like? That seems nonsensical and at that point you aren't trying to solve a problem you are just trying to stomp on constitutional rights.

kys
>(method of your choice)

of course you don't but leave it to leftists to do it anyway

>muh lump of cells
You are a lump of cells.

>You believe we should be forced to have offspring even when we're not ready or willing
No. Feel free to use contraceptives. Abstinence works too as im sure youre painfully aware
>Every kid will be adopted
Nah. Most will probably have a rough time in foster care. But theyll be given an opportunity to make a great life
>lumps of stem cells
Theyre not just stem cells but you know that. Within a few days of implantation cells are assigned and hormone production begins around two weeks brain waves are noticable. Sorry your superior stem courses didnt cover this
t. Economics major

You have a right to bear arms. That doesnt mean you can own any weapon in existence

kek had a feeling op was a chick

This thread is about abortion im sorry if youre getting confused
>vague terms to just carpet ban whole categories of things you don't like?
I dont
>getting an abortion is a constitutional right
No its not

How many mass murders are commited with hammers?

>Murdering an innocent human is a constitutional right

*stem cells

learn the difference